Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by MoeJontana84:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by ramonalejandro:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Anyone who thinks Trey looked bad hasn't been watching the other rookies. f**king idiots 🤣🤣🤣

Other rookies show promise. Name one pass play that Trey impressed. I can't. Not one.

Where was the deep sideline pass? Oh yeah the one to deebo that was out of bounds. I like the kid, good kid, but he's not accurate. He's not a qb. You can't teach accuracy. No touch and no accuracy. The worst combination.

Are you serious? He made multiple big boy passes. That laser to Aiyuk on 3rd and long. That beautiful throw to Sanu as well on the flat. You are tripping.

Ive been Watching football for 40 years. I know a good qb when I see it. He ain't one.

Oh?

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/186526-patrick-mahomes-qb/page51/

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

I don't want this guy. Doesn't seem like a team player, Never goes through his progressions, another kaepernick. No thanks.

Your 40 years informed you that Mahomes was another kaepernick.

GOODNIGHT

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
In the Seattle game announcers were literally LOL'ing when he tried his shake and bake move in space. He's just big and slow and didn't fake anyone out almost took himself down with how awkward it was. Note to self, do not sell the farm to take a North Dakota project QB when you have a loaded roster and a still open SB window.

This wide-spread delusion has only hurt the team.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
In the Seattle game announcers were literally LOL'ing when he tried his shake and bake move in space.

Well, that settles it. Seattle announcers laughed.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
In the Seattle game announcers were literally LOL'ing when he tried his shake and bake move in space. He's just big and slow and didn't fake anyone out almost took himself down with how awkward it was. Note to self, do not sell the farm to take a North Dakota project QB when you have a loaded roster and a still open SB window.

This wide-spread delusion has only hurt the team.

I LOL'd at "loaded roster."

So I was born in 1990 and started to vividly remember the games I watch around '96 or '97. Of course by this time, Steve Young was amazing. In the early 90s, did he look as lost as Trey Lance in the passing game? I watched probably every 49ers documentary and old film but still doesnt make up for the fact that I wasnt old enough to evaluate the game and have actual opinions on footballers' abilities.

Ive been hearing some older 49er fans say that Lance's raw ability looks exactly like a young Steve Young when he first came over to the niners. Great running ability and arm, but couldnt quite put the game together yet to be dominate and consistently win games.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
If Kyle goes full on "let's develop Trey" in week 5, that's a slap in the face to vet leaders like Trent Williams, Warner, Kittle. Besides game losses, the worst thing for a head coach is losing the locker room's vets. It doesn't matter how much Kyle wants to develop Trey, he cannot lose the vets in the locker room in week 6 of the season.

You mean the guys that SF just made the highest paid players at their position? I think they're gonna be just fine. Did those guys stop playing when Mullens/CJ were the starters?

maybe they realize that Jimmy vs Lance isn't this crazy thing like fans/media are making it out to be…the way Lance played yesterday showed those vets he's willing to do whatever to win.

Let's stop acting like Jimmy G is some pro-bowl QB and we're just tossing in the towel because he's not playing…

The offensive output yesterday only scored more points than ONE of Jimmy G's games. ONE out of 36 career starts and that was the mud-bowl monsoon game in Washington D.C. in 2019.

I'm not saying Lance is garbage, but that's Jimmy G throughout his entire career, an offense he runs scores more points than that in 35 out of 36 games. You cannot tell me that Lance gives us a better chance to win. Let's quit acting like jimmy G is just some bottom of the barrel starting option and we're just making a trade-off with Lance. This offense will score fewer points with Lance. I'm not blaming him for that. He's as young as Alex Smith was his rookie year and we all saw how rough that was. You're not gonna convince me that starting Lance from here on it is a decision based upon what gives us the best chance to win. If Kyle is making a decision based off anything else, yes, he is throwing in the towel on this season.

Did we not just play the best team in the NFC in the Cardinals?

Jimmy struggled to score points in multiple first half's this season against worse defenses with less offensive penalties.

I thought this was Kyle's worst called offensive game plan especially some of those 4th down calls. A fullback sneak with 1.5-2 yards to go.

My whole stance from the beginning is that no one knows if Lance can outperform Jimmy at any point this season. Not that we know Lance can play better.

And yet you and others are the ones claiming it's impossible for Lance to be better than Jimmy this season.

I don't think we having a more difficult game on our schedule going forward.

One game is not enough to change my stance that we still don't know if Lance gives us the best chance to win.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:
The discussion centers around what the proper balance would be. I thought there were more yards for Mitchell off RPO sets than what we saw. That would have opened things up more, IMO.

I agree with you that Lance does not have the timing down on shorter rhythm passes. Two of his blocks appeared to come on short passes where he was late with the throw. That will only come with experience.

The game plan went out the window when they were constantly getting flags. I've never seen so many holding callings in my life. Hard to get the running game and PA going when it's 1st-20

Some of that is on trey running instead of dumping the ball off. That comes with time, but those are the growing pains you're going to be dealing with with a rookie QB and a raw, athletic rookie QB. Did you expect something different?
Go look at holding penalties for 2020 - it tends to show a trend. The teams near the bottom in holding calls tend to be teams with running and mobile QB's, the teams at the bottom had pocket QB's playing. It's not every team and every time, but it shows a trend.

It's also why I don't give two craps about air yards. Trey would run for 8 yards in situations where Jimmy might dump it off at 4 and the receiver gets 4 or 6 or 12.

I still have yet to see any correlation between IAY and wins or even points scored. It's really as simple as, we need to score more points. We can't put up 10 a game and expect to win. I don't give 2 craps about 2022 right now. I might not be alive during that season so I don't really care. I'll root for 2022 when it gets here.

Here's my take. If they keep calling those read options and he keeps choosing to run, it won't bode well for his health and we may have 2 injured QB's, not one. Jimmy G is king of the check downs and Trey seems averse to them. If he wants to avoid injury, he might want to find a happy medium between the runs and using check downs, just not as much as Jimmy though.

Originally posted by ramonalejandro:

And it's hard for me to buy an argument that Lance sitting more would help his development when he basically already sat all of 2020.

— Tim Kawakami (@timkawakami) October 11, 2021

Yeah, sitting Lance is not better for his development. But it may be better for the team's ability to win.

Stop conflating the two. They are separate conversations.

I realize many of you have convinced yourself that Lance can win as many games THIS SEASON as Garoppolo. But you have literally zero data to back it up. It's all a complete fan guess only reinforces by your personal bias and excitement to see Lance on the field.

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
So I was born in 1990 and started to vividly remember the games I watch around '96 or '97. Of course by this time, Steve Young was amazing. In the early 90s, did he look as lost as Trey Lance in the passing game? I watched probably every 49ers documentary and old film but still doesnt make up for the fact that I wasnt old enough to evaluate the game and have actual opinions on footballers' abilities.

Ive been hearing some older 49er fans say that Lance's raw ability looks exactly like a young Steve Young when he first came over to the niners. Great running ability and arm, but couldnt quite put the game together yet to be dominate and consistently win games.

I was born in 1974 so I remember the Montana/Young transition and competition very well. Young was extremely erratic and although his runs were fun to watch, it was frustrating to not have the "look" of our normal offense. The difference is Walsh did NOT call different plays for Young, and definitely didn't have him running 16 times per game by design. He forced him to run the regular offense and take his lumps. I'd imagine Walsh was turning over in his grave witnessing the s**t show that Kyle Shanahan put on display yesterday.

Originally posted by ramonalejandro:

You've decided Mac Jones is ready and better based on his 66.2 passer rating yesterday and the Patriots averaging 5.8 yards per play vs. a terrible Texans team? When the 49ers averaged 5.7 vs. Arizona? Again, argue what you want, but I've got arguments, too. https://t.co/18zX8e84EV

— Tim Kawakami (@timkawakami) October 11, 2021

Im still very happy that we did not go with Mac Jones. Plus we would of still traded up for Mac Jones. Had we stayed at #12, Belichick would of tried to jump us during the draft for Jones and we would be in a situation where we have to give up a 1st for jumping a 2 spots.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The offensive output yesterday only scored more points than ONE of Jimmy G's games. ONE out of 36 career starts and that was the mud-bowl monsoon game in Washington D.C. in 2019.

I'm not saying Lance is garbage, but that's Jimmy G throughout his entire career, an offense he runs scores more points than that in 35 out of 36 games. You cannot tell me that Lance gives us a better chance to win. Let's quit acting like jimmy G is just some bottom of the barrel starting option and we're just making a trade-off with Lance. This offense will score fewer points with Lance. I'm not blaming him for that. He's as young as Alex Smith was his rookie year and we all saw how rough that was. You're not gonna convince me that starting Lance from here on it is a decision based upon what gives us the best chance to win. If Kyle is making a decision based off anything else, yes, he is throwing in the towel on this season.

The end. You're just kidding yourself if you think Trey will put up more points. He's a rook he's going to leave points on the board like he did vs Arz left and right.

I'm fine going to him when the season is over but right now we're still in the mix. The team might not be a Super Bowl team with Jimmy but if we make the playoffs that's a big deal in establishing momentum.

Originally posted by ramonalejandro:

I have zero problem with the arguments for Garoppolo to remain QB1. I won't attack that, other than to say there are more persuasive arguments, IMO, for Lance to take over now. The bye week is probably the best time to do it.

— Tim Kawakami (@timkawakami) October 11, 2021

Very reasonable take

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I sincerely hope Kyle gets rid of this stupid Cam Newton style offense with Trey. Also, I'm concerned about the wind up.. I don't know if there's any way to fix that release speed, because it's a problem right now.

Offense looks way too much like Cam Newton. Agreed.

As much as I like Lance I did not like the Cam Newton vibes I was getting watching him play - hopefully that changes with different playcalling.

Like it or not, those QB runs are what helps put Lance in his comfort zone. It's what he did in college and he doesn't suck at it. For a rookie QB in his first start, you want to give him what he knows, then mix in what he needs to learn.

Gonna get killed in the pros if the plan doesnt change. Not protecting himself. Agree the concept is right (make him comfortable) but the outcomes are flat out dangerous. Not an option.

He needs to learn how to slide - plain and simple. One, to protect himself. Second, sometimes when a defender sees the QB slide and the defender starts to pull up, if any contact is made there is a chance for an unnecessary roughness penalty. I swear I've seen this happen a few times to 49er defenders where Kyler/Russel slides, a defender tries to pull up but still made light, incidental contact with the helmet - 15 yard penalty.

Maybe we put in trey AFTER he has successfully demonstrated his sliding ability in practice.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The offensive output yesterday only scored more points than ONE of Jimmy G's games. ONE out of 36 career starts and that was the mud-bowl monsoon game in Washington D.C. in 2019.

I'm not saying Lance is garbage, but that's Jimmy G throughout his entire career, an offense he runs scores more points than that in 35 out of 36 games. You cannot tell me that Lance gives us a better chance to win. Let's quit acting like jimmy G is just some bottom of the barrel starting option and we're just making a trade-off with Lance. This offense will score fewer points with Lance. I'm not blaming him for that. He's as young as Alex Smith was his rookie year and we all saw how rough that was. You're not gonna convince me that starting Lance from here on it is a decision based upon what gives us the best chance to win. If Kyle is making a decision based off anything else, yes, he is throwing in the towel on this season.

The end. You're just kidding yourself if you think Trey will put up more points. He's a rook he's going to leave points on the board like he did vs Arz left and right.

I'm fine going to him when the season is over but right now we're still in the mix. The team might not be a Super Bowl team with Jimmy but if we make the playoffs that's a big deal in establishing momentum.

Trey made the decision to not kick field goals and go for it on 4th down like he was playing Madden? This is nonsense.