DeMeco Ryans, Texans HC

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Good luck to him against these 3 QBs

Only Russ & Kyler scare me, I'm not afraid of Stafford, we know how to stop QBs like him, no it won't be the same D with Ryans, but I'm assuming the scheme won't change much, we didn't lose any major coaches(besides Saleh), we kept Kocurek, so I expect the DL to be playing top tier in 2021, especially when Bosa is back.

Originally posted by sanjo49er:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Good luck to him against these 3 QBs

Right! No pressure

And some folks put Bosa on the block for Wason??

I never understood the idea of trading Bosa or Warner in a deal for Watson, we ended up wit the 2nd pick, I was 100% sure he was gone to Arizona until Kyler declared, thank god he did, we needed Bosa, as for Warner, we traded Kwon away, so who takes Warner's spot then? Also the idea of trading Kittle is dumb too, same for Deebo, Aiyuk, Kinlaw & Dre, we drafted 4 quality players, starters. John has done a great job, he drafted, by my count 8 starters for 2021, Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, Bosa, Kinlaw, Warner, Dre, & Moore. Then he signed Wilson & Moseley as UDFAs, Givens & Daniels could rotate at NT, so there's more starters IMO.

Agree.
I'll just add we are actually under the cap *and* have 10 draft picks this year - in a year when a lot of teams are in cap hell. There is going to be good quality free agents for ShanaLynch to sign this offseason and there is the draft picks - ten of 'em! I have the feeling that it's 2019 all over again even though we're drafting at the number 12 spot instead of the number 2 spot.

Amen Giedi, right now I have the 49ers at $19M under a $180M cap, it'd be $13M if the cap is only $175M, the 49ers are in good shape for 2021, and great shape going forward. The big ticket players we need to re-sign are Trent Williams, Juice is a big name, but won't break the bank like Trent will. Plus Warner needs an extension, after 2021 Deebo, Dre, and Bosa become eligible, after 2022 Kinlaw, & Aiyuk become eligible. Plus Moore is eligible right now, I'd love to lock him up to a 3-4 yr extension for cheap, since he should be the teams new SS IMO. And yes 10 picks sounds great, we have holes, especially if we lose guys like K'Waun, Hyder, & Verrett. I'm not counting Sherm & Tartt, as I doubt they were being brought back anyway, I mean Sherm said so, plus no need for Coleman or McKinnon. Trent Taylor don't need him. I'd try to retain Bourne, but for cheap, no more than $2.5M a yr. I'm even ok with letting DJ Jones walk, I like Daniels & Givens at NT. Not to mention we'll have Wilson, Moseley, Brunskill, Harris, Dwelley, & Pepper back, all are RFAs or ERFAs, well Wilson was re-signed already.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Amen Giedi, right now I have the 49ers at $19M under a $180M cap, it'd be $13M if the cap is only $175M, the 49ers are in good shape for 2021, and great shape going forward. The big ticket players we need to re-sign are Trent Williams, Juice is a big name, but won't break the bank like Trent will. Plus Warner needs an extension, after 2021 Deebo, Dre, and Bosa become eligible, after 2022 Kinlaw, & Aiyuk become eligible. Plus Moore is eligible right now, I'd love to lock him up to a 3-4 yr extension for cheap, since he should be the teams new SS IMO. And yes 10 picks sounds great, we have holes, especially if we lose guys like K'Waun, Hyder, & Verrett. I'm not counting Sherm & Tartt, as I doubt they were being brought back anyway, I mean Sherm said so, plus no need for Coleman or McKinnon. Trent Taylor don't need him. I'd try to retain Bourne, but for cheap, no more than $2.5M a yr. I'm even ok with letting DJ Jones walk, I like Daniels & Givens at NT. Not to mention we'll have Wilson, Moseley, Brunskill, Harris, Dwelley, & Pepper back, all are RFAs or ERFAs, well Wilson was re-signed already.

Your numbers are always Bullitt proof! With a Richburg and DeeFord restructure/release - I can see us sign some decent young free agents during the free agency period to back fill some of the defensive and offensive needs (maybe Alex Mack), such that the draft can be more focused on getting the best player available (Slater! ) I think I'll add Kyle's genius with being able to spot RB talent in the undrafted pool. I"m hoping maybe we can let Juice go and a cheaper Hokit maybe take his place. I hope Trent's contract can be another front loaded contract, but starting in 2022 when, hopefully the cap goes back up. I think Kyle's genius will also factor in Deebo's and Aiyuk's deals, if he can strike it in the later rounds in subsequent drafts with WR's that can compete with them. I think that's as far as my brain can handle now. I'll have to rest and recuperate for Sherm, Tart, Bourne and the rest!

What exactly are our options this yr with Richburg and Dee? IOW, where exactly are we?

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Amen Giedi, right now I have the 49ers at $19M under a $180M cap, it'd be $13M if the cap is only $175M, the 49ers are in good shape for 2021, and great shape going forward. The big ticket players we need to re-sign are Trent Williams, Juice is a big name, but won't break the bank like Trent will. Plus Warner needs an extension, after 2021 Deebo, Dre, and Bosa become eligible, after 2022 Kinlaw, & Aiyuk become eligible. Plus Moore is eligible right now, I'd love to lock him up to a 3-4 yr extension for cheap, since he should be the teams new SS IMO. And yes 10 picks sounds great, we have holes, especially if we lose guys like K'Waun, Hyder, & Verrett. I'm not counting Sherm & Tartt, as I doubt they were being brought back anyway, I mean Sherm said so, plus no need for Coleman or McKinnon. Trent Taylor don't need him. I'd try to retain Bourne, but for cheap, no more than $2.5M a yr. I'm even ok with letting DJ Jones walk, I like Daniels & Givens at NT. Not to mention we'll have Wilson, Moseley, Brunskill, Harris, Dwelley, & Pepper back, all are RFAs or ERFAs, well Wilson was re-signed already.

EXCELLENT post!!

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
What exactly are our options this yr with Richburg and Dee? IOW, where exactly are we?

We're screwed esp. if neither can't pass a physical.

Ouch.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
What exactly are our options this yr with Richburg and Dee? IOW, where exactly are we?

We're screwed esp. if neither can't pass a physical.

Richburg technically could be cut, but he could file a grievance if he's still hurt, Dee, yeah we're screwed, we need to get him to take a pay cut, people on here saying "cut him" "designate him june 1" well if he can't pass a physical, we can't do either, his $11.6M injury guarantee vests to fully guaranteed on April 1, 2021.

And I hear on Twitter, "why would they take a pay cut", well, the 49ers have all the leverage, both were out for basically the entire season(1 game played for Dee, big deal), someone said couldn't they get the same on the open market, if they go down to the league minimum, well, they could get the minimum, but what the 49ers could always do is add in incentives to the reworked deals(not restructures), so they can earn back some of the money, plus look at 2020 and Jerick McKinnon, he had his base salary GTD on April 1, 2020 if he didn't take a pay cut, he could have gotten the same on the open market, he went down to the league minimum, most likely these 2 guys love the 49ers organization, and would love to try and repair their value, maybe they agree to these pay cuts in exchange for eliminating the final year(s) of their deals, like McKinnon's did.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
What exactly are our options this yr with Richburg and Dee? IOW, where exactly are we?

We're screwed esp. if neither can't pass a physical.

Good thing they were the ones we chose to restructure

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
What exactly are our options this yr with Richburg and Dee? IOW, where exactly are we?

We're screwed esp. if neither can't pass a physical.

Good thing they were the ones we chose to restructure

Dumbest moves ever.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
What exactly are our options this yr with Richburg and Dee? IOW, where exactly are we?

We're screwed esp. if neither can't pass a physical.

Richburg technically could be cut, but he could file a grievance if he's still hurt, Dee, yeah we're screwed, we need to get him to take a pay cut, people on here saying "cut him" "designate him june 1" well if he can't pass a physical, we can't do either, his $11.6M injury guarantee vests to fully guaranteed on April 1, 2021.

And I hear on Twitter, "why would they take a pay cut", well, the 49ers have all the leverage, both were out for basically the entire season(1 game played for Dee, big deal), someone said couldn't they get the same on the open market, if they go down to the league minimum, well, they could get the minimum, but what the 49ers could always do is add in incentives to the reworked deals(not restructures), so they can earn back some of the money, plus look at 2020 and Jerick McKinnon, he had his base salary GTD on April 1, 2020 if he didn't take a pay cut, he could have gotten the same on the open market, he went down to the league minimum, most likely these 2 guys love the 49ers organization, and would love to try and repair their value, maybe they agree to these pay cuts in exchange for eliminating the final year(s) of their deals, like McKinnon's did.

Yeah, this is definitely a sticky situation.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
What exactly are our options this yr with Richburg and Dee? IOW, where exactly are we?

We're screwed esp. if neither can't pass a physical.

Richburg technically could be cut, but he could file a grievance if he's still hurt, Dee, yeah we're screwed, we need to get him to take a pay cut, people on here saying "cut him" "designate him june 1" well if he can't pass a physical, we can't do either, his $11.6M injury guarantee vests to fully guaranteed on April 1, 2021.

And I hear on Twitter, "why would they take a pay cut", well, the 49ers have all the leverage, both were out for basically the entire season(1 game played for Dee, big deal), someone said couldn't they get the same on the open market, if they go down to the league minimum, well, they could get the minimum, but what the 49ers could always do is add in incentives to the reworked deals(not restructures), so they can earn back some of the money, plus look at 2020 and Jerick McKinnon, he had his base salary GTD on April 1, 2020 if he didn't take a pay cut, he could have gotten the same on the open market, he went down to the league minimum, most likely these 2 guys love the 49ers organization, and would love to try and repair their value, maybe they agree to these pay cuts in exchange for eliminating the final year(s) of their deals, like McKinnon's did.

Well, thanks AB, but i sure feel worse now than before. NC seems to echo my feelings.

General question to all: who exactly (ie, which doc) makes the determination, and is it the doc of the player or is it the team doc or is it several docs, if there is not uniformity in diagnosis. Believe me, many times dx (diagnoses) are made over time, and if there is a question at all, 2nd and even 3rd opinions are required. Wonder how these two players will be evaluated and by whom? This is big time money for both team and player. Sounds like we just wait for the exams and then see. Like someone said, this is dicey.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
What exactly are our options this yr with Richburg and Dee? IOW, where exactly are we?

We're screwed esp. if neither can't pass a physical.

Richburg technically could be cut, but he could file a grievance if he's still hurt, Dee, yeah we're screwed, we need to get him to take a pay cut, people on here saying "cut him" "designate him june 1" well if he can't pass a physical, we can't do either, his $11.6M injury guarantee vests to fully guaranteed on April 1, 2021.

And I hear on Twitter, "why would they take a pay cut", well, the 49ers have all the leverage, both were out for basically the entire season(1 game played for Dee, big deal), someone said couldn't they get the same on the open market, if they go down to the league minimum, well, they could get the minimum, but what the 49ers could always do is add in incentives to the reworked deals(not restructures), so they can earn back some of the money, plus look at 2020 and Jerick McKinnon, he had his base salary GTD on April 1, 2020 if he didn't take a pay cut, he could have gotten the same on the open market, he went down to the league minimum, most likely these 2 guys love the 49ers organization, and would love to try and repair their value, maybe they agree to these pay cuts in exchange for eliminating the final year(s) of their deals, like McKinnon's did.

Well, thanks AB, but i sure feel worse now than before. NC seems to echo my feelings.

General question to all: who exactly (ie, which doc) makes the determination, and is it the doc of the player or is it the team doc or is it several docs, if there is not uniformity in diagnosis. Believe me, many times dx (diagnoses) are made over time, and if there is a question at all, 2nd and even 3rd opinions are required. Wonder how these two players will be evaluated and by whom? This is big time money for both team and player. Sounds like we just wait for the exams and then see. Like someone said, this is dicey.

I think it's a mix of all of the above. The player can seek a 2nd or 3rd opinion if they dont' agree with the team doctor. Obviously the team doctor has the team interest at heart over the player. The player can choose to take that doctor's word over the team doctor and act accordingly. I'm sure they all would get together and discuss the differences and figure out where to go form there. Even after the exams something could happen or something could've been misdiagnosed. Ofr the player can have a set back months later even after everything was thought to be alright. So it's all murky.

So who is the 49ers secondary coach??

Originally posted by Kolohe:
So who is the 49ers secondary coach??

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/194698-defensive-coordinator-demeco-ryans/page19/#post271

Originally posted by Kolohe:
So who is the 49ers secondary coach??

I thought it was going to be Cory Undlin? He's supposedly the defensive pass game coordinator now

edit: thl beat me to it