Deshaun Watson

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
JJ Watt is probably the luckiest man alive to have gotten out when he did.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
JJ Watt is probably the luckiest man alive to have gotten out when he did.

I was the guy on the left when people only said 3 firsts. Ngl

Solis was the first accuser to file a sexual misconduct lawsuit against the Houston Texans star back on March 16. She used a pseudonym to protect her identity.

She came forward in a news conference alongside her attorney Tony Buzbee on Tuesday and spelled out her case against Watson -- at one point explaining, "People say that I'm doing this just for money. That is false. I come forward now so that Deshaun Watson does not assault another woman."

But, Watson's attorney Rusty Hardin says this is absolutely about money -- claiming Buzbee approached one of Watson's reps back in February in an effort to "quietly settle the allegations the month before he filed the first lawsuit."

Hardin says he has emails sent by Buzbee associate Cornelia Brandfield-Harvey to one of Watson's representatives on Feb. 9 spelling out the demand.

"My client's demand is $100,000" ... and ... "This offer remains open until Friday of this week."

Hardin claims Deshaun's representative pushed back against the demand in the following email response.

"We don't believe that the alleged facts show that Deshaun did anything wrong with regards to Ms. Solis, but we are nevertheless happy to continue the conversation around a reasonable settlement figure because we believe he can learn a lesson about having put himself in this situation."

Buzbee's response to that ...

"We made a legit demand. You rejected it. We won't be making another or bid against ourselves. We also won't be having an extended dialogue about why you think your client did nothing wrong or how you want this to be a 'learning' experience for your 'high profile athlete,' as you refer to him. This is Houston, Texas. Perhaps you should find him a lawyer here so you can apprise both you and your client of the landscape here and who you are dealing with. Talk soon."

The lawsuit was ultimately filed on March 16 -- and 21 women have filed similar lawsuits against Watson since then.

As we previously reported, Watson's position remains that he did not do anything wrong and he has vowed to dig in and fight to clear his name.

I'm not here to defend Watson, I'm just saying let all the investigation continue. Nothing has changed other than two women have come forward. Did we forget about the eighteen that put their names to pen and paper in support?

https://dig.abclocal.go.com/ktrk/PICS/MAR2021/033121-ktrk-watson-hardin-massage-therapists-testimonials.pdf

Again, it's all he said/she said right now. Everyone should be heard. Everyone should have fair access to the process before being judged completely.

Everyone.

A. Just because 18 women said he's not some sort of deviant and didn't try to rub their dicks on them doesn't discredit the ones that did. Lots of people thought that Ted Bundy was a really polite, sweet, go-getter that wouldn't hurt a fly. Those were put out mostly to try and fight back in the court of public opinion.

B. At least one of those affidavits of support looks questionable if these claims by Bumblebee are accurate, that one of the affiants contradicted herself in a direct message that she sent.

Although Buzbee didn't name the therapist, he read from the statement provided by Jas Brooks, who said this in the broader statement provided last week by Watson's lawyers: "I began providing massage therapy to Deshaun in 2018 and have massaged him at least 40 times since then. I worked with him once or twice a week during the season and as needed during the off season. Early on, he said he wanted me to focus on his hamstrings (he had a trainer that worked on his upper body) and just to work the lactic acid out of his legs. This included the groin, glutes and feet. He never asked me any questions and hardly ever spoke at all. In all that time, I never had a single uncomfortable or inappropriate experience with Deshaun."

Buzbee claims that the massage therapist he generally identified sent a direct message that reads as follows: "I told you I stopped working with [Deshaun Watson]. Because I was hearing too much stuff about him messing with other people. . . . He's been doing a lot in the last three or four months. I even told his ass he needed to be careful because his names getting around. I just hope don't nobody call me to question me."

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I never said that just because 18 women said he's one thing doesn't me he is. That's not the point. The point is to weigh all statements equally. Again, Buzbee is reading the texts and we have zero context of the entire conversation.

What's a context for this that portrays Watson in a good light?

If at least one of the affidavits is in question because of something Buzbee says, we're just going to just skip the $100K shakedown that happened before the civil lawsuits were filed?

I'm fine with the facts, I'm saying just don't cherry pick.

I'm not sure putting that settlement discussion out there did anything to help Watson and Florio seems to agree.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/06/latest-rusty-hardin-statement-on-behalf-of-deshaun-watson-could-backfire/

In other words, Watson's camp was willing to consider paying something to settle the case because, as Gaffield said, "we believe he can learn a lesson about having put himself in this situation."

Amazingly, Hardin's team voluntarily disclosed this communication, which otherwise was confidential and never meant for public consumption. It shows that Watson's representatives viewed the claims made by Ashley Solis as something that weren't frivolous but that instead provided a useful opportunity to teach Watson a "lesson about having put himself in this situation."

Ultimately, what good does Hardin's response do for Watson? That's the question that should have been asked by someone on Hardin's team. And that's the toughest thing to do when the echo chamber begins to reverberate. There's often no one within the bubble of zealous advocates for one side's position who can or will step back and say, "Should we really be doing this?"

Settlements are the #1 way a civil case is resolved. Characterizing a standard part of civil negotiations as a shakedown is idiotic.

Also, Florio was a lawyer much much longer than he has been in sports

Maybe you should stick to other topics

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Janitor:
Settlements are the #1 way a civil case is resolved. Characterizing a standard part of civil negotiations as a shakedown is idiotic.

Oh so now we're characterizing "civil negotiations" as "justice" now? Got it.

The whole purpose of civil law is justice in the form of a payment for an injury, rather than justice via the prison/criminal system.

$100,000 is a pretty standard, even low, amount for someone who's claimed damages include therapy and a loss of profession.

Maybe spend some time reading up on civil law and why it exists, because throughout all of this you have shown that you clearly do not understand it. Instead for some reason you continue to conflate it with criminal law, which is ridiculous.

https://youtu.be/UUMyWHQ9sLQ

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I never said that just because 18 women said he's one thing doesn't mean he is. That's not the point. The point is to weigh all statements equally. Again, Buzbee is reading the texts and we have zero context of the entire conversation. And who's winning in the court of public opinion or even waging that battle? It absolutely is not Watson's team. If anything they're already tried and convicted.

If at least one of the affidavits is in question because of something Buzbee says, we're just going to just skip the $100K shakedown that happened before the civil lawsuits were filed?

I'm fine with the facts, I'm saying just don't cherry pick.

Did Buzbee lie? Yes, he did.
Did at least one of the women who came forward who claimed they only wanted justice originally want more? Yes, they did.

It's still he-said/she-said until people start testifying under oath.

"We don't believe that the alleged facts show that Deshaun did anything wrong with regards to Ms. Solis, but we are nevertheless happy to continue the conversation around a reasonable settlement figure because we believe he can learn a lesson about having put himself in this situation."

All I know is, if I was accused of something like this and I was not guilty, there is absolutely no f**king way would I have given my attorney permission to "counter offer with a more reasonable settlement figure".

"In the letter, Baxley described her claims of Watson exposing himself to her during the session, while sexualizing the encounter by directing her to massage his anus.

"Every boundary from professional and therapeutic to sexual and degrading, you crossed or attempted to cross," Baxley said in the letter. "You insisted that I not use my knuckles or forearms, but that I use my fingers for digital stimulation, which is an ethical violation of massage practice when working in the gluteal area."

Baxley went on to describe Watson allegedly being "aroused" and moving his body in a manner that caused his penis to touch her hand. She added that Watson allegedly told her to "just grab" his penis if it was in her way and that "this happened multiple times."

Buzbee provided some communications showing contact between Watson and Solis, as well as a direct message from a social media account belonging to the one of the 18 massage therapists who provided statements to Watson's attorney claiming to have had only positive encounters with the quarterback. Buzbee said one of the 18 who provided positive statements told "a different story" in a social media message that Buzbee's office had obtained.

According to Buzbee, the same woman who provided a positive statement to Watson's attorney, Rusty Hardin, allegedly wrote in a direct message about Watson: "I told you I stopped working with [Deshaun Watson]. Because I was hearing too much stuff about him messing with other people. … He's been doing a lot in the last three or four months. I even told his ass he needed to be careful because his names getting around. I just hope don't nobody call me to question me."

Buzbee added Tuesday that additional alleged victims may attach their names publicly to their civil suits in the future, but that the final decision would be left up to their comfort level with any assumed public backlash or negative attention.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/two-alleged-victims-publicly-attach-their-names-to-deshaun-watson-civil-suits-210606119.html

HAH !! Watson thought it was going to be easy leaving HOUSTON and tried to make the the organization the bad guys for wanting a trade...

the worst part is that the most respected player ever (Johnson) light up the candle by dissing the management..

Looks like THE AIR JORDAN OF THE NFL will be seen throwing a football in THE LONGEST YARD 3D !!!



I can already see the opening scene.. .. an old Senator (Dabo Swinney) gives a special pardon to Watson to play one season for the Houston Gamblers and as he walks in the prison, WATSON's getting a massage !!

Originally posted by jcs:
"In the letter, Baxley described her claims of Watson exposing himself to her during the session, while sexualizing the encounter by directing her to massage his anus.

"Every boundary from professional and therapeutic to sexual and degrading, you crossed or attempted to cross," Baxley said in the letter. "You insisted that I not use my knuckles or forearms, but that I use my fingers for digital stimulation, which is an ethical violation of massage practice when working in the gluteal area."

Baxley went on to describe Watson allegedly being "aroused" and moving his body in a manner that caused his penis to touch her hand. She added that Watson allegedly told her to "just grab" his penis if it was in her way and that "this happened multiple times."

Buzbee provided some communications showing contact between Watson and Solis, as well as a direct message from a social media account belonging to the one of the 18 massage therapists who provided statements to Watson's attorney claiming to have had only positive encounters with the quarterback. Buzbee said one of the 18 who provided positive statements told "a different story" in a social media message that Buzbee's office had obtained.

According to Buzbee, the same woman who provided a positive statement to Watson's attorney, Rusty Hardin, allegedly wrote in a direct message about Watson: "I told you I stopped working with [Deshaun Watson]. Because I was hearing too much stuff about him messing with other people. … He's been doing a lot in the last three or four months. I even told his ass he needed to be careful because his names getting around. I just hope don't nobody call me to question me."

Buzbee added Tuesday that additional alleged victims may attach their names publicly to their civil suits in the future, but that the final decision would be left up to their comfort level with any assumed public backlash or negative attention.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/two-alleged-victims-publicly-attach-their-names-to-deshaun-watson-civil-suits-210606119.html

He is so f**ked if this is true.

This dude might get his contract voided and never play another down in the NFL.

https://clutchpoints.com/texans-news-nike-suspends-relationship-deshaun-watson-amid-sexual-assault-allegations/

"Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson continues to find himself in an ugly state as his endorsement deal with Nike will be suspended for the time being, per Jabari Young of CNBC."

- Nike preparing to jump ship.