Mac Jones-QB-49ers

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

Or you think Jones can get better as well. All of this talk about potential seems to zero in almost 100% on arm strength or just pure athleticism but there's a lot more to quarterbacking and Jones as a guy with only 17 starts still has plenty of room to improve and become a more well-rounded passer overall.

Help me out. The last physically average QB to succeed in the NFL was?

A guy named Tom Brady. You might not remember because the last time he won anything was so long ago.

So one guy drafted 21 years ago. Does not exactly instill me with confidence.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

Or you think Jones can get better as well. All of this talk about potential seems to zero in almost 100% on arm strength or just pure athleticism but there's a lot more to quarterbacking and Jones as a guy with only 17 starts still has plenty of room to improve and become a more well-rounded passer overall.

Help me out. The last physically average QB to succeed in the NFL was?

A guy named Tom Brady. You might not remember because the last time he won anything was so long ago.

So one guy drafted 21 years ago. Does not exactly instill me with confidence.

Define physically avg because he did manage a 4.69 at his pro day to go with a 32" vertical.

Brady ran a 5.28 with a 25" vertical.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

Or you think Jones can get better as well. All of this talk about potential seems to zero in almost 100% on arm strength or just pure athleticism but there's a lot more to quarterbacking and Jones as a guy with only 17 starts still has plenty of room to improve and become a more well-rounded passer overall.

Help me out. The last physically average QB to succeed in the NFL was?

A guy named Tom Brady. You might not remember because the last time he won anything was so long ago.

So one guy drafted 21 years ago. Does not exactly instill me with confidence.

Define physically avg because he did manage a 4.69 at his pro day to go with a 32" vertical.

Brady ran a 5.28 with a 25" vertical.

Pro day times are always friendly to the players. So he is probably more a 4.8 guy.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

Or you think Jones can get better as well. All of this talk about potential seems to zero in almost 100% on arm strength or just pure athleticism but there's a lot more to quarterbacking and Jones as a guy with only 17 starts still has plenty of room to improve and become a more well-rounded passer overall.

Help me out. The last physically average QB to succeed in the NFL was?

A guy named Tom Brady. You might not remember because the last time he won anything was so long ago.

So one guy drafted 21 years ago. Does not exactly instill me with confidence.

Define physically avg because he did manage a 4.69 at his pro day to go with a 32" vertical.

Brady ran a 5.28 with a 25" vertical.

Pro day times are always friendly to the players. So he is probably more a 4.8 guy.

4.8 is what Mahomes ran.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Should stayed at 12 picked up a Patrick Surtain or Najee Harris or traded down. Then pick up Davis Mills.

I have no idea what this FO is doing.

They haven't even selected a player yet.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

Or you think Jones can get better as well. All of this talk about potential seems to zero in almost 100% on arm strength or just pure athleticism but there's a lot more to quarterbacking and Jones as a guy with only 17 starts still has plenty of room to improve and become a more well-rounded passer overall.

Help me out. The last physically average QB to succeed in the NFL was?

A guy named Tom Brady. You might not remember because the last time he won anything was so long ago.

So one guy drafted 21 years ago. Does not exactly instill me with confidence.

Define physically avg because he did manage a 4.69 at his pro day to go with a 32" vertical.

Brady ran a 5.28 with a 25" vertical.

Pro day times are always friendly to the players. So he is probably more a 4.8 guy.

4.8 is what Mahomes ran.

Yeah if he had the arm of Mahomes, you might have something there.

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Bloodless:
I am not sure I would describe Alex smith as very great at processing. Did he make good decisions and take care of the football? yes, but that is not the same as processing information fast on the football field.

I feel like you are saying who cares if Mac Jones is clearly the best processer. I don't know how anyone could feel that way when it is such an important trait to being a great QB.

As has been said, let's say Mac is a 9/10 processor. That doesn't mean fields/Wilson/Lawrence/lance are awful processors. Then you add up areas where Jones is a lot lower than the other guys (athleticism, arm strength), and you come to the conclusion that Jones shouldn't be in the same conversation

First, I am not sure Mac is simply a slightly better processer. IMO I think based on the tape he is quite a bit ahead of the other two in terms of processing. While the other two might be a lot better in terms of Athletism and Arm strength. Processing is not the only thing Mac does better than them. Things Like pocket awareness. Pocket Manipulation. Footwork. Accuracy. Consistency. Decision making. Touch. Throwing while being pressured. And so on. I am not sure there is much outside of Arm strength and Athletism they are better at than Mac. You might be able to make the case for throwing deep but Mac had a better passer rating throwing deep than both. So I am not sure even that would be true.

Even so you have to acknowledge how speculative this is.."processing" is not something easily measured when we don't know the scheme, coaching, and play design...a lot of it starts to touch on the classic tropes that one guy is "smart" and the others are just "athletic" and I don't think thats fair to Fields specifically. I don't know much about Lance but these atributes you attribute to Mac we also have film of Fields showing ability to do as well..so in the things we can measure Fields is blowing Mac out of the water (arm strength, athleticism, etc) and we have to rely on these more difficult to measure qualities to make Mac look comparable. We'll never know how Fields or Mac would've looked in the oher's offense for instance.

This thread is 748 pages and counting. Far more than the Fields and Lance threads. No wonder the media keeps running with the Mac Jones narrative. Nothing attracts more clicks.

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Should stayed at 12 picked up a Patrick Surtain or Najee Harris or traded down. Then pick up Davis Mills.

I have no idea what this FO is doing.

They haven't even selected a player yet.

That's the point. None of these QBs are worth going from 12 to 3 and giving up that draft capital

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

Or you think Jones can get better as well. All of this talk about potential seems to zero in almost 100% on arm strength or just pure athleticism but there's a lot more to quarterbacking and Jones as a guy with only 17 starts still has plenty of room to improve and become a more well-rounded passer overall.

Help me out. The last physically average QB to succeed in the NFL was?

A guy named Tom Brady. You might not remember because the last time he won anything was so long ago.

So one guy drafted 21 years ago. Does not exactly instill me with confidence.

Define physically avg because he did manage a 4.69 at his pro day to go with a 32" vertical.

Brady ran a 5.28 with a 25" vertical.

Pro day times are always friendly to the players. So he is probably more a 4.8 guy.

I doubt he's that fast either. Watch him run, he's not a natural athlete.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

Or you think Jones can get better as well. All of this talk about potential seems to zero in almost 100% on arm strength or just pure athleticism but there's a lot more to quarterbacking and Jones as a guy with only 17 starts still has plenty of room to improve and become a more well-rounded passer overall.

Help me out. The last physically average QB to succeed in the NFL was?

A guy named Tom Brady. You might not remember because the last time he won anything was so long ago.

So one guy drafted 21 years ago. Does not exactly instill me with confidence.

Define physically avg because he did manage a 4.69 at his pro day to go with a 32" vertical.

Brady ran a 5.28 with a 25" vertical.

Pro day times are always friendly to the players. So he is probably more a 4.8 guy.

4.8 is what Mahomes ran.

Yeah if he had the arm of Mahomes, you might have something there.

That and Mahomes has elite agility scores. It's dumb to even try to pretend Mac is athletic by putting up some pro day numbers (some said 4.8) when you can see the lack of athletic ability on film all day

Such an unsexy pick, but he's better than the media implies. Absolute dime with a rusher coming straight at him. The folks that say he always had all day to throw to wide open recievers are just wrong. I'm interested to see where he goes if we don't take him. If I was Kyle, not sure I'd ever draft another player from Alabama though. And Metchie is so good.

Originally posted by WolfTotem:
Such an unsexy pick, but he's better than the media implies. Absolute dime with a rusher coming straight at him. The folks that say he always had all day to throw to wide open recievers are just wrong. I'm interested to see where he goes if we don't take him. If I was Kyle, not sure I'd ever draft another player from Alabama though. And Metchie is so good.

We can get the same production out of Rosen then we can with Jones.

Originally posted by mayo49:
We can get the same production out of Rosen then we can with Jones.

Yeah, but Rosen's eyes are too close together and it disturbs me. Clearly NFL coaches don't like looking at him long enough to coach him up.

Originally posted by mayo49:
We can get the same production out of Rosen then we can with Jones.

This