Mac Jones-QB-49ers

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Not beating up on anyone, just pointing out that the other guys haven't had the same opportunity for development, when they get that in the league they could have every bit as good from a processing stand point, yet still have they're natural gifts.

Fields has a slow a very inconsistent arm, and his brain seems just as slow. Maybe it's the OSU offense? Can't decide who I like better Fields or Jones. #4 and #5 imo.

Originally posted by krizay:
So now you are taking shots at him sitting for 3 years? But not about the guy who got beat out by a guy like Jones and transferred or a guy who was FBS?

And sitting behind a guy that went top 5 overall BTW. yet had a better season with less talent

Lol you start off with questioning shots being fired then fire shots yourself? He did have an astronomical season, but please don't devalue what Tua has accomplished in his time there. As a FRESHMAN, no years sitting, came in the National Championship and put the team on his back, brought them back and won that b***h with the game sealing TD pass. Was consistently good the following seasons, not just ONE. Sure he had a up and down rookie year, but he was coming off an injury that ended careers, not an ACL tear or common injury.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yes please

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Trey Lance -> Falcons
Mac Jones -> Panthers
Justin Fields -> 49ers pic.twitter.com/VUeT52TtMv

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) March 5, 2021

Riddick has concerns with Fields going through progressions. The discussion starts at 3:20.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Lol you start off with questioning shots being fired then fire shots yourself? He did have an astronomical season, but please don't devalue what Tua has accomplished in his time there. As a FRESHMAN, no years sitting, came in the National Championship and put the team on his back, brought them back and won that b***h with the game sealing TD pass. Was consistently good the following seasons, not just ONE. Sure he had a up and down rookie year, but he was coming off an injury that ended careers, not an ACL tear or common injury.

He played a season and a half. To Jones' season and 2 games

120 pass attempts separate them

Originally posted by Bellaleo:
Fields has a slow a very inconsistent arm, and his brain seems just as slow. Maybe it's the OSU offense? Can't decide who I like better Fields or Jones. #4 and #5 imo.

Just watch the Clemson game, there's nothing slow about him, does he need consistency, yes, but that will come with hard work from him, and quality coaching at the next level.

Originally posted by Hopper:
Riddick has concerns with Fields going through progressions. The discussion starts at 3:20.

Ahh yes the old doesn't go through progressions thing...there's plenty of film showing he goes through progressions....anyway.

what's funny is almost 70% of completions in the NFL are on 1st reads. What do you think half of what Jimmy does? You got kyle scheming open guys, play-action/slant, play-action/slant, bootleg to an open Kittle. I mean getting the ball out quickly IS based off 1st reads.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Just watch the Clemson game, there's nothing slow about him, does he need consistency, yes, but that will come with hard work from him, and quality coaching at the next level.

A lot of what was "slow" was him waiting for his WRs on their choice routes, sometimes it was 15 yards downfield.

people need to realize what QBs are asked to do in their offense. Doesn't mean they're incapable of doing something else...

Originally posted by Bellaleo:
Fields has a slow a very inconsistent arm, and his brain seems just as slow. Maybe it's the OSU offense? Can't decide who I like better Fields or Jones. #4 and #5 imo.

If you've got a stupid coach, you might want an athletic quarterback to bail him out.

If you've got a smart coach, you might want a smart quarterback to keep up.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Just watch the Clemson game, there's nothing slow about him, does he need consistency, yes, but that will come with hard work from him, and quality coaching at the next level.

A lot of what was "slow" was him waiting for his WRs on their choice routes, sometimes it was 15 yards downfield.

people need to realize what QBs are asked to do in their offense. Doesn't mean they're incapable of doing something else...

+1 And none of these guys are finished products. On the right team, all of them can be stars, on the wrong team they'll all be busts.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Just watch the Clemson game, there's nothing slow about him, does he need consistency, yes, but that will come with hard work from him, and quality coaching at the next level.

I get it we are all splitting hairs here. My gut tells me he's not any good. Same with Mac Jones.

Originally posted by All22:
+1 And none of these guys are finished products. On the right team, all of them can be stars, on the wrong team they'll all be busts.

This is so true. Predicting QB's is very difficult even the best NFL execs get it wrong often

Originally posted by Bellaleo:

Originally posted by All22:
+1 And none of these guys are finished products. On the right team, all of them can be stars, on the wrong team they'll all be busts.

This is so true. Predicting QB's is very difficult even the best NFL execs get it wrong often

Yes, they get it wrong because they put physical traits above mental quickness. One works in college. The other works in the NFL.

Mental quickness is innate. Evaluating it if college ball is admittedly a challenge, but if it's not adequately demonstrated, you sir are a gambler.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Yes, they get it wrong because they put physical traits above mental quickness. One works in college. The other works in the NFL.

Mental quickness is innate. Evaluating it if college ball is admittedly a challenge, but if it's not adequately demonstrated, you sir are a gambler.

Mental quickness and an elite release gets you to the hall of fame.

Originally posted by Bellaleo:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Yes, they get it wrong because they put physical traits above mental quickness. One works in college. The other works in the NFL.

Mental quickness is innate. Evaluating it if college ball is admittedly a challenge, but if it's not adequately demonstrated, you sir are a gambler.

Mental quickness and an elite release gets you to the hall of fame.

True. A lot of physical traits help if you have mental quickness. If you don't have that quickness, you can not keep NFL defenses from defending you.

Kyle gambled on CJ, because he fell in love with what he saw. He did Not see mental quickness, because it is not there, and he throws late. Kyle himself did not appreciate that.

Then Lynch Did see that, and a lot more, in Mahomes. He called Kyle, and said "are you sure you want to pass on this guy?" He did. Uggh.

Lynch needs to control our drafts, including and Especially our quarterbacks. Great coaches do not necessarily make good personnel guys (see Holmgren),

Great quarterbacks in the NFL Always have great minds. See Unitas, Montana, Brady, Brees, I'm even going to include Wilson. All of them have physical limitations, but All of them have quick minds.

Here's my two cents. Wilson and Jones in this draft have shown us the most from the mental standpoint. We've got a Great offensive coach that is unable to do what he wants because of quarterback limitations. Like flying, you can make a poor pilot an ok pilot, and an ok pilot a good pilot, but you can't make any of them a great pilot if he can't bring the aptitude to the table. Same with quarterbacks, because it too is a mental challenge to beat defenses and their adjustments at this level.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Heard something interesting the other day from NextGen analysis. Kirk Cousins has the highest % of on target throws, so is the most accurate QB.

Even if Mac comes and brings his processing and accuracy, is it even going to matter against these rifle armed, mobile freaks?

I'll take quick processing/accuracy vs. strong armed/mobile QB's every day.

Not sure why we have to deal in absolutes.

I'd rather the quick processing/accuracy/strong armed/mobile QB over the quick processing/accuracy QB every day