Mac Jones-QB-49ers

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I was willing to concede that Mac Jones had a good QB name until I learned that Mac is short for McCorkle and now I'm all the way out.

— Steven Ruiz (@theStevenRuiz) February 26, 2021

hahaha what?

McCorkle?...bust

WTF is a McCorkle??? He does have the body of a McCorkle

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I was willing to concede that Mac Jones had a good QB name until I learned that Mac is short for McCorkle and now I'm all the way out.

— Steven Ruiz (@theStevenRuiz) February 26, 2021

hahaha what?

McCorkle?...bust

WTF is a McCorkle??? He does have the body of a McCorkle

I've heard it's growth that develops from frequent, lubeless self-massages, and sometimes from eating too much mustard on your sausages.

Originally posted by 91til:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 91til:
understand your question, it's absolutely valid. You're smart, watch him some. We're all just projecting at this point obviously.

When he said, "This ain't the Eastern Tampon State for the School of the Blind in Automotive Repair," that's when I knew Mac Jones would be good.

What are you trying to say? The entire video is unconvincing because of one joke?

Lol no. But some levity is great. I like Jones as a prospect. I am not in love with him, but I do feel like he's an upgrade over our current tier three starter QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What's funny in all this and Kirzay's obsessive routine to find "gotcha ya" moments....is everyone f**ked up their evals on Watson/Mahomes.

You sure about that? Watson also grew on me towards the end of his Natty run. Hell, I was one of the people defending the whole 49 MPH stuff. BTW, revisiting the Mahomes thread is funny.

Originally posted by Heroism:
One thing I love about Mahomes is the amount of swagger he plays with. The guy is ultra confident, and doesn't blink when he's throwing bombs off his back foot or no-look passes.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I would love to see Mahomes sit and learn under Kyle Shanahan for a couple years. His ceiling is special, and Kyle would be a great coach to help refine and develop Patrick's game. He's proven he can maximize the talents of his QBs.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I love Mahomes' upside, so I would be ecstatic if we took him. All his flaws can be remedied through coaching and hard work. It's up to Shanahan and Lynch to vet this kid and make sure he has the work ethic and dedication required to maximize his potential.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Starting to believe he's the best QB in the draft...

I said legit NFL evaluator Once you start getting paid for this, then you can use your quotes

NFL is changing man, rookie QBs gotta be able to move...especially when they're still figuring out the speed of the NFL game. You're not gonna have the Bama advantage at the next level every week.

Give me traits, drive, a quality roster, and a coaching staff for a young QB.

It's funny you said all of Mahomes flaws can be remedied through coaching and hard work....I mean isn't that what I've been saying in the Lance thread?

Lance's flaws are of a different kind than Mahomes'. It's not really an apt comparison. In fact, it's generally not a good idea to compare anyone to Mahomes.

Regarding his collegiate flaws though, as far as I xan tell, 100% of Mahomes' flaws were related to decision making.

Occasional bad mechanics you say? That was decision making. He CHOSE to abandon mechanics because he was confident he could throw to target without taking the time to properly get set (remember his perfect deep bomb off his back foot in his record setting game?). He was right — SOME of the time. Andy Reid fixed that to where he only did it when he had to.

Being too aggressive, passing up checkdowns, running around to attempt the big play, these were all related to his decision making.

The same, as far as I can tell is not true of Lance. Lance has a vision problem, from what I've seen. Notably, he doesn't like throwing players open, in particular, he doesn't like throwing them open unless he has a direct line of site to the target. There may be a depth perception issue on that, I don't know.

But that sort of thing worries me, because coaching usually CAN'T fix it. On the other hand, Kaepernick had similar issues and had a great couple of years, so it's not something that can't be worked around. But it is worrying.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
From what I've seen of him, he can probably do everything that Jimmy can once he learns the system. He might throw a better deep ball but that's not a major part of Kyle's offense. He's really smart so I'm guessing he could pick that up fairly quickly. The advantage he has over JG is he would cost less and he's younger.

It was when he had guys who could accurately and consistently throw it.

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
plus this

Wilson, Fields, Lance all experienced operating from under center, turning back to defense. Efficient ball handling, burying fakes. Snaps head around. Can throw on run for full boot/sprint. Strong arms.

Trevor Lawrence and Mac Jones much more often in shotgun with the RPO game pic.twitter.com/94t98wBF40

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) February 6, 2021

Every one of those WRs were wide open and they had all day to throw.

Yes, that's what makes play-action easier than simple pocket passing. The QB no longer has to read a complex coverage; he no longer has an absolute time limit before the window to throw closes; he doesn't always have to be as accurate because the defense has reacted to the run and is often playing catchup, may be out of position, and the WRs are usually running in open space away from the defender; he doesn't have to read the whole field; there is almost always less pressure; etc.

The argument that running play-action in college is an asset to a quarterback prospect in terms of scouting is a big mistake. That doesn't make a prospect better. It just means he benefited from a scheme that did things that made quarterbacking easier.

I have a hypothesis that people believe experience turning your back to the defense is such a huge deal is because it actually is — for HIGH SCHOOL quarterbacks who haven't really played the position much, and these kids are who most of us have personal experience with. But we're talking guys about to enter the NFL. They've seen a defense or two.

All of these guys throw to wide open receivers. I wouldn't use that against them. They're going to see that here because Shanny schemes guys open all game.

That said, Zach Wilson easily has the most tight window throws. Dude has some throws where he threads the needle or puts it in a spot where only his guy can get it.

Were that Wilson was a possibility. I just don't see it happening. No way he gets passed Atlanta, and no way they would trade down if he falls to them.

Originally posted by Heroism:
All of these guys throw to wide open receivers. I wouldn't use that against them. They're going to see that here because Shanny schemes guys open all game.

That said, Zach Wilson easily has the most tight window throws. Dude has some throws where he threads the needle or puts it in a spot where only his guy can get it.

I dunno man. I like the guys who only throw to covered wide receivers cuz then we know they're not a product of a scheme. Cuz one thing that worries me is with Kyle Shanahan as our HC is scheming guys open.

Mel kiss of death?

"I hate to say, but he kind of has a little bit of Brady in him," Kiper said, via Reiss. "I'm not saying he's ever going to be Tom Brady. He wouldn't be close, probably. But he has that competitiveness, and he's so smart — he picked that offense up [at the Senior Bowl] like it was nothing. Other quarterbacks were struggling with the verbiage and — 'boom!' — he was in and out of the huddle quicker than anybody I've ever seen.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Mel kiss of death?

"I hate to say, but he kind of has a little bit of Brady in him," Kiper said, via Reiss. "I'm not saying he's ever going to be Tom Brady. He wouldn't be close, probably. But he has that competitiveness, and he's so smart — he picked that offense up [at the Senior Bowl] like it was nothing. Other quarterbacks were struggling with the verbiage and — 'boom!' — he was in and out of the huddle quicker than anybody I've ever seen.

f**k!

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Mel kiss of death?

"I hate to say, but he kind of has a little bit of Brady in him," Kiper said, via Reiss. "I'm not saying he's ever going to be Tom Brady. He wouldn't be close, probably. But he has that competitiveness, and he's so smart — he picked that offense up [at the Senior Bowl] like it was nothing. Other quarterbacks were struggling with the verbiage and — 'boom!' — he was in and out of the huddle quicker than anybody I've ever seen.

f**k!

Sark also raved about Mac being the smartest QB he's ever coached. Everyone is basically saying the same thing about him. His football IQ and obsessive personality is just on a different level compared to most and this is why he doesn't need elite physical tools to succeed.

This sounds like a ton of the all-time greats that had phenomenal careers because the game moved in slow motion for them because they spent so much time watching film to go with their high football IQ's. There are tons of high IQ QB's, but many of them don't have it show up on film for many reasons, but Mac does in just 1 year of starting experience. The odds say we'll probably never see another Brady, but the way Mac manipulates defenders with his eyes and subtle body movements is very similar to other great pocket QB's that came before him.

what number is mac gonna wear?

Originally posted by Nastastical:
Sark also raved about Mac being the smartest QB he's ever coached. Everyone is basically saying the same thing about him. His football IQ and obsessive personality is just on a different level compared to most and this is why he doesn't need elite physical tools to succeed.

This sounds like a ton of the all-time greats that had phenomenal careers because the game moved in slow motion for them because they spent so much time watching film to go with their high football IQ's. There are tons of high IQ QB's, but many of them don't have it show up on film for many reasons, but Mac does in just 1 year of starting experience. The odds say we'll probably never see another Brady, but the way Mac manipulates defenders with his eyes and subtle body movements is very similar to other great pocket QB's that came before him.

Sark has coached Matt Ryan, so either he meant college guys, was exaggerating or that's some serious praise.

I'm trying to figure out who would have to be gone before I'd pick Mac, the list is fairly long, but less than 11, so there's a chance.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Mel kiss of death?

"I hate to say, but he kind of has a little bit of Brady in him," Kiper said, via Reiss. "I'm not saying he's ever going to be Tom Brady. He wouldn't be close, probably. But he has that competitiveness, and he's so smart — he picked that offense up [at the Senior Bowl] like it was nothing. Other quarterbacks were struggling with the verbiage and — 'boom!' — he was in and out of the huddle quicker than anybody I've ever seen.

f**k!

Sark also raved about Mac being the smartest QB he's ever coached. Everyone is basically saying the same thing about him. His football IQ and obsessive personality is just on a different level compared to most and this is why he doesn't need elite physical tools to succeed.

This sounds like a ton of the all-time greats that had phenomenal careers because the game moved in slow motion for them because they spent so much time watching film to go with their high football IQ's. There are tons of high IQ QB's, but many of them don't have it show up on film for many reasons, but Mac does in just 1 year of starting experience. The odds say we'll probably never see another Brady, but the way Mac manipulates defenders with his eyes and subtle body movements is very similar to other great pocket QB's that came before him.

He does do a lot of subtle shoulder motion that directs defenders to where they shouldn't be, and I love his pocket movement. There's a lot to like with Jones from the neck up.