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saniner
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Originally posted by evil:
Kinlaw gonna be getting an invite to Von's future offseason pass rush summits. 
Yup, and then 2022 Von signs here
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Scottie15
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Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by Scottie15:
Tristan Wirfs falls to pick #14, you have the opportunity to shore up your offensive line after they got mauled in the Superbowl, having passes batted down, giving up pressure all over the O-line, and you go an draft ANOTHER D-lineman because you didn't want to pay Buckner. Shambolic decision making.
Dude all you do is bi**h and complain, you sound like a teenage girl who can't get her way in her sweet 16 party
I'm disagree with the way this front office manages the draft, give specific reasons why, legitimate reasons, and you resort to personal attacks.
Why don't you argue some logic? Polemics, something.
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pasodoc9er
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Pre draft i guessed that at #13 we would still have 1, maybe 2 cherry picks. GM JL had said they had 6 "foundational " guys and my posted guess was the 3 WRs, Jeudy, Ruggs and Lamb, plus OT Thomas, and Kinlaw. No idea who the 6th was and didn't guess. I also thot it likely we'd drop back 1, maybe 2 slots at #13 if we could still get out guy, and get an extra 3rd or 4th rd pick.
Well there was one of the WRs still there, Thomas (OT) was long gone, and Kinlaw. Again no idea on the 6th guy. So we remarkably have Kinlaw there and take him. Oh, and i did say it depended on how well JL and Kyle liked these 6 guys. So we start with a bang, and probably get the best DT in draft, (Chase young is an ER). I had not seen his film at that time. Anyway a great start.
By #26 all 3 WRs are gone, and we jump up 5-6 picks . Aiyuk! Now we know the 6th foundational player. So i did a utube search, and the kid looks like he is all arms... 81" to be exact. Just a foot and a half shorter per side than the California condor who has a 10 ft wingspan. Also Brandon has a 40" vertical leap, and has tons of YAC. He is a scraper in jump balls, and can make a lot of tacklers miss. Yikes, this kid is good. Then to hear from John that he WAS the 6th "foundational" player, no wonder they jumped up at 26 and blew all the 2nd-4th rd picks they had just gotten back.
In short, for me, if draft stopped today, we had a fantastic draft. But our lucky rd 5 (kittle, TT, DJ Jones in rd 6-7) is coming up tomorrow and i expect some C, OG, and CB action. Really that is all we need. How exactly we did this well, IDK, but for me, this was a fantabulous draft...and that was just in 1 day. We not only got 2 starters, we got "foundational" players, aka guys who can make everyone around them better and be foundations for the team for yrs to come.
Now after a film review, i truly believe that he was KYles and john's first choice at WR, but they thot he would be gone around #13 or so. After seeing some stunning film, i can see why they thot so. We probably got lucky that he transferred in from JUCO, and had but one yr of film on the books. I don't see anything risky about this at all.
As for not taking Thomas , or another lesser OT at #13, i was fine with DT as long as it was not just a starter but a STUD starter, and boy did we ever get one. As for Aiyuk, who i had only rarely seen pre draft, he didn't even register on who i thot we would take. But I knew it would be a WR. Like JL said, WR or DT first and then switch that at #31. Man this draft just could NOT have been better.
Sure i miss not having picks today rds 2-4, but we got two guys who are just phenomenal talents. Still no guarantee that will transfer to the gridiron, but I think both are way, way better than i could possibly have hoped for. Also we got picks in rd 5 adn that is our deadly round...kittle, TT, and DJ Jones altho he was a round or two later. So have hope.
I wish it could have been an OT, and had Thomas been there WITH Kinlaw...now that would have been one helluva choice to have. With Thomas going much earlier, this was the way it was meant to be. Now we need to get some raw talent at OG (or OT who can play inside) plus some help at a cover corner.
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genus49
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Originally posted by Scottie15:
Tristan Wirfs falls to pick #14, you have the opportunity to shore up your offensive line after they got mauled in the Superbowl, having passes batted down, giving up pressure all over the O-line, and you go an draft ANOTHER D-lineman because you didn't want to pay Buckner. Shambolic decision making.
#1 are you ever satisfied with anything the team does?
#2 they saw the same game and decided to get a guy who could be the type of player who was causing all sorts of issues for our team - batting down passing and causing pressure all over the O-line in Chris Jones.
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pasodoc9er
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Originally posted by Scottie15:
Tristan Wirfs falls to pick #14, you have the opportunity to shore up your offensive line after they got mauled in the Superbowl, having passes batted down, giving up pressure all over the O-line, and you go an draft ANOTHER D-lineman because you didn't want to pay Buckner. Shambolic decision making.
Scottie, it wasn't that we didn't want to pay Buck, it was that we couldn't. His $21 mil contract worked out to $23 mil the first 3 or 4 yrs and that was just more than we could afford...and still keep the likes of Kittle and a DB or two. So it wasn't not wanting to pay him but couldn't pay him. Sure we could have taken Wirfs, but kyle and john have both said that it is easier to play and call offense if you have an overpowering Defense. So everyone knew that going in. I wanted an OT, specifically Thomas , but he went early, around #10 or so.
What would have been interesting would have been Thomas there along with Kinlaw.. I still think they would take Kinlaw as we have a huge hole in the center of our DL with Buck gone, and Dee Ford still a. ?? Come season. So D was it, but had Thomas been there....well it would have been interesting. Still think they would have gone Kinlaw. BTW, Kinlaw was one of the 6 "foundational' players they were aiming for. Aiyuk was the other. I figured Ruggs, Jeudy, Lamb, Thomas , and Kinlaw. No idea who the 6tth was. Well , one of the 3 receivers was there as well as Wirfs but those weren't the guys they considered foundational...which means one who will be the foundation of the team for yrs to come. Obviously Wirfs was good but not in that category for JL and KS.
Now we just need some raw talent at OG/C and cover Corner. Rd 5 has been our lucky rd last few yrs with Kittle, TT, and DJ Jones (actually 6th or 7th). So our GM/HC got the players they wanted, and altho i wanted OT (to play OG a couple yrs), that is one place we didnt score. But we had bigger holes in the middle of DL and were missing a #1 WR. Well we got one now. I further suspect Brunskill is further along than most of us suspect and is being relied upon to plug up RG. Also it sounds like Richburg is being counted on as ready to go. We had NOBODY at DT to even come close to Buck. So i see their reasoning. And we couldn't draft everybody we needed. They made choices, D first and foremost and that from an offensive HC.
So if you dont like it, well so be it. But we will find out shortly if this was a good idea or not, and i think our guys did the right thing, altho i was hoping for an OT. I feel they did the best thing based on who they had targeted, and who was available. At #14 and #26, they got both the guys they targeted, D first. And that is exactly what they have said all along...just not right before draft.
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NCommand
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Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Outstanding.
What can go wrong with a 6-6 guy with bad knees?!?
A bigger concern was that I heard on BP podcast that he had to lose 40 pounds to get down to 325 so it's something to keep an eye on too.
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Heroism
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I heard on KNBR that Kinlaw is down to 315 lbs. dude is going to look like a 6-5 Aaron Donald.
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Jeepzilla
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Originally posted by evil:
Kinlaw was likely one of the 6 foundational pieces that Lynch talked about.
As much as I like this pick, I worry about not having pass protection & jimmy G getting the piss knocked out of him, and you'll have the crowd bash jimmy for not hitting a receiver when he's getting hit in the mouth.
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Scottie15
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Scottie15:
Tristan Wirfs falls to pick #14, you have the opportunity to shore up your offensive line after they got mauled in the Superbowl, having passes batted down, giving up pressure all over the O-line, and you go an draft ANOTHER D-lineman because you didn't want to pay Buckner. Shambolic decision making.
#1 are you ever satisfied with anything the team does?
#2 they saw the same game and decided to get a guy who could be the type of player who was causing all sorts of issues for our team - batting down passing and causing pressure all over the O-line in Chris Jones.
#1: Loved the Jimmy G trade at the time, loved the Bosa pick, I was even ok with trading Buckner since we have plenty of depth at D tackle.
#2: Totally understand, but maybe they missed the lack of production from our WR. Maybe they missed the fact that refs aren't going to call holding on any O linemen.
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Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Originally posted by evil:
Kinlaw was likely one of the 6 foundational pieces that Lynch talked about.
As much as I like this pick, I worry about not having pass protection & jimmy G getting the piss knocked out of him, and you'll have the crowd bash jimmy for not hitting a receiver when he's getting hit in the mouth.
i like our two picks.. but i totally get your concerns.. i wish i knew the answers
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NCommand
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Originally posted by Heroism:
I heard on KNBR that Kinlaw is down to 315 lbs. dude is going to look like a 6-5 Aaron Donald. 
Definitely not as worried about his weight with Kocurek screaming weight off him.
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Ezekiel38
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5th. Ojemudia CB
6th. Dalton Keane TE
7th. IOL
Undrafted: OL, OL, OL
Done.