WR Emmanuel Sanders, BUF

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Best to use that #31 pick or trade down for a replacement.

Can't expect the passing game to be better if you replace Sanders with a first or second day pick. Rookies can take time to develop and play with consistency.

Hopefully, we can find another Deebo - someone who is ready to come in and start right away.

Sign Austin Hooper or Hunter Henry!!
rather see passing double TE's and running the ball than JG trying to deep pass to Sanders, Green, or whoever..

worked fine for Lamar

Originally posted by TheBhagwan:
Sign Austin Hooper or Hunter Henry!!
rather see passing double TE's and running the ball than JG trying to deep pass to Sanders, Green, or whoever..

worked fine for Lamar

I'd love to sign Green - he'd be a perfect WR1.

Green has been hurt the last four years.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Green has been hurt the last four years.

I think he's finally healthy, now.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Best to use that #31 pick or trade down for a replacement.

Can't expect the passing game to be better if you replace Sanders with a first or second day pick. Rookies can take time to develop and play with consistency.

Hopefully, we can find another Deebo - someone who is ready to come in and start right away.

Yeah without Sanders there was no way Deebo would have done what he was able to do as rookie. We all saw that with our own eyes how the WR group struggles until Sanders arrived . Shanahan has always liked having a veteran somewhere on all levels of his team both on offense and defense. That's not about to change now. Also our QB feels more comfortable with established players he can trust. Now combine that with a complicated offense to learn, we are not going to chance our season on a rookie WR. Not saying they won't draft one to develop but to get starters minutes on a SB contender would be out of character

Originally posted by Ark49er:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Best to use that #31 pick or trade down for a replacement.

Can't expect the passing game to be better if you replace Sanders with a first or second day pick. Rookies can take time to develop and play with consistency.

Hopefully, we can find another Deebo - someone who is ready to come in and start right away.

Yeah without Sanders there was no way Deebo would have done what he was able to do as rookie. We all saw that with our own eyes how the WR group struggles until Sanders arrived . Shanahan has always liked having a veteran somewhere on all levels of his team both on offense and defense. That's not about to change now. Also our QB feels more comfortable with established players he can trust. Now combine that with a complicated offense to learn, we are not going to chance our season on a rookie WR. Not saying they won't draft one to develop but to get starters minutes on a SB contender would be out of character

Yeah, that's why I'd be all in on signing Green. He could be what Sanders was for us and help the youngsters out.

Originally posted by TheBhagwan:

Sign Austin Hooper or Hunter Henry!!
rather see passing double TE's and running the ball than JG trying to deep pass to Sanders, Green, or whoever..

worked fine for Lamar

Running a bunch more 2 TE looks by signing a guys like that mean a lot less Juice. I would prefer to remain with a heavy dose of 21.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Best to use that #31 pick or trade down for a replacement.

Can't expect the passing game to be better if you replace Sanders with a first or second day pick. Rookies can take time to develop and play with consistency.

Hopefully, we can find another Deebo - someone who is ready to come in and start right away.

Hope is a key word. We had to trade for a receiver at the deadline this year, would rather not have to do that again.

Resign Sanders and draft a rookie to develop behind him. Sanders, Deebo, KB, Hurd, Rookie and let Taylor compete with James.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Green has been hurt the last four years.

I think he's finally healthy, now.

Fifth time's a charm.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Green has been hurt the last four years.

I think he's finally healthy, now.

U "think" so? LOL

Guess how old he is now... I guess people still don't see the pattern. How did Tory Smith, Pierre Garcon, Marquese Goodwin signings do? U guys don't learn from recent history?

trading a 3rd and 4th in this deep WR draft class to rent a 14 yr. vet for half a season is another idiotic move by capt. america

Originally posted by mayo49:

Yeah, that's why I'd be all in on signing Green. He could be what Sanders was for us and help the youngsters out.

Sanders is the better performer today.

Signing Green could work out. Or it could be manningham 2.0.

Honestly, I wouldnt mind signing green for vet min plus tons of incentives and keep sanders. Reduce snaps for green -- what he needs. Trade pettis and goodwin for 4th rounders.

Let green and sanders work with deebo bourne and whover else is healthy.

Whatever the equation Manny is a rock star.

He. Catches. The. Damn. Ball.

Pay heeem.

Originally posted by TheBhagwan:
dunno man
we have two options

1. keep the team as whole as possible
2. shift the roster and bring new faces.. double passing TEs, new WR and/or new DLs and safeties

i don't think lynch would go away from JG yet cause then the 2018 McGlinchey pick would look horrible,
since he was picked to protect JG and not getting minkah or derwin or even lamar jackson.

so point 1 will be the correct choice, i mean then why would Kwon restructure in the first place? if not to the bring the whole team back.

PS: could have had mahomes, watson or lamar.. 2 MVP's and a SB champion combined.. OMG jimmy OMG!

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Why stop there? Why not go back to to 2005 when we could have drafted Aaron Rodgers, or 1999, or whatever year that was, and we could have drafted Tom Brady? And for good measure make sure to add in every other future All Pro or HOFer that we might have passed up in favor of someone else. The idea that the 49ers FO, or any other team's FO for that matter, should be in the possession of some magical crystal ball that will enable them to process and project what player is going to be better than some other player is one of the weakest and silliest arguments that gets thrown around in here.

The draft is a crap shoot, they might as well hold it in Vegas every year, and it is always going to be affected by the nature and needs of the people who are in charge of the organization at the time. The 49ers were looking for the next Joe Montana to run their West Coast offense which means they wanted someone athletic and mobile and so, with Bill Walsh's blessing, they drafted Gino Carmazzi and passed on Brady as did 32 other teams until almost the last round of the draft.

They needed a QB again in 2005 and the two that were being most talked about were Smith and Rodgers. Nolan met with both and apparently decided that he was too much of a p***y to deal with what he saw as Rodger's cockiness so he drafted Smith who he viewed as someone he could control and then went on to ruin his career. And Smith has been blamed by many people in this forum ever since for being the guy that Nolan chose.

Lynch and Shanahan came into their jobs with a clear idea of what they wanted to do at QB which was to find a placeholder for a year who was familiar with their system and could help pass it on to the offense while they rebuilt the roster and then could go get Kurt Cousins. I have no doubt that limited their vision and interest in the types of spread QBs who were out there and who Shanahan had already had experience with in Washington with RG3.

Griffin's lack of overall success in the league no doubt soured Kyle on those types of players and maybe he didn't see them as the best fit for his offense which seems to focus on a scheme that requires the QB to get the ball out of his hands and into the hands of his play makers. It doesn't necessarily require that the QB be a play maker in his own right, i.e. being an elite scrambler or runner, except as it relates to his ability to execute the plays that are called and make the throws he needs to make. Jimmy makes a lot of those throws and he misses some as well. Hopefully with his first full year under center behind him he will develop a bit more consistency in his game and become exactly the kind of QB that Kyle needs to run the team.

It is easy to look back with the benefit of hindsight and say, oh we could have had this player or that player, but it doesn't change anything and doesn't further the conversation as it relates to the team that we actually have.

Oh, and since this is the Emmanuel Sanders thread I will say once again that I won't be too upset with whatever option the team chooses in regard to his future. I thought he was a good addition to the team and that his presence probably had a lot to do with the development of Samuel and Bourne this year. However, I think that he and Samuel are a lot alike since they both seem to make their living on those crossing routes over the middle. Sanders is maybe a bit more of a deep threat at the moment but Samuel brings the added benefit of being used as a runner out of the back field and is a more physical player.
I think a lot of how this plays out will depend on how the team assesses Hurd and Taylor's ability to contribute this year and what happens with the contracts of some of the other players they need to take care of, like Kittle and Buckner. If it comes down to a choice between keeping Sanders or having the extra money to maybe hold onto Armstead for instance, I would definitely be voting for Armstead. Go Niners!!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Hes old, doesnt matter how good he is. Nobody is giving him 11m a year

Sanders > obj, fitzy, edelman many names that are getting paid. We have to show him 8 figures at least one of the next two years

5% chance we resign him.

When AB did his original work earlier this season on how we could keep everyone (AA, Kittle, Buckner), was Sanders included? There is some funny counting going on here. People are talking like we are losing everyone. I'm pretty certain he had accounted for Sanders. I think a 2-year deal can be done. Particularly if we just eat the 4 million and cut Thomas or trade him to a cap rich team (lower draft pick in return, but 8 million in cap space, which should deliver us Sanders). I don't think what Thomas is giving us will be worth 8 million or even 4 million. Buckner is already under contract for next year, so the 2020 cap space does Kittle is already under contract for 2020, so again, space that year is irrelevant. That leaves AA and Blair as the big resigns and both can be done, along with Sanders if we jettison Thomas, Goodwin, McKinnon, and Coleman if necessary. Outside of Jimmie Ward (who I think is the odd man out), am I leaving off any major unrestricted free agents for this year?

Originally posted by kronik:

U "think" so? LOL

Guess how old he is now... I guess people still don't see the pattern. How did Tory Smith, Pierre Garcon, Marquese Goodwin signings do? U guys don't learn from recent history?

trading a 3rd and 4th in this deep WR draft class to rent a 14 yr. vet for half a season is another idiotic move by capt. america

We traded a 3rd and 4th and got back a 5th. The difference between our 4th and their 5th will be about 20 spots.

And we went in given the success of the team and the chance to push for a SB. Captain America helped get us pretty freaking close. Had not we not made the trade we wouldn't have gone as far as we did.

Pierre Garcon was never intended to be a long term answer at WR. He was a cultural signing, and those are important when trying to create a new culture in your franchise. Kyle was doing what Bill Walsh believed in, and needed a few players who would exemplify this new culture, PG was one of those guys.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by kronik:
U "think" so? LOL

Guess how old he is now... I guess people still don't see the pattern. How did Tory Smith, Pierre Garcon, Marquese Goodwin signings do? U guys don't learn from recent history?

trading a 3rd and 4th in this deep WR draft class to rent a 14 yr. vet for half a season is another idiotic move by capt. america

We traded a 3rd and 4th and got back a 5th. The difference between our 4th and their 5th will be about 20 spots.

And we went in given the success of the team and the chance to push for a SB. Captain America helped get us pretty freaking close. Had not we not made the trade we wouldn't have gone as far as we did.

Pierre Garcon was never intended to be a long term answer at WR. He was a cultural signing, and those are important when trying to create a new culture in your franchise. Kyle was doing what Bill Walsh believed in, and needed a few players who would exemplify this new culture, PG was one of those guys.

It's like when Walsh signed guys like Lenvil Elliott, who was a back he had in his Cincinnati days. Coaches need guys that can run their system until they find a talented. Also that take about trading for Sanders in the post you quoted is awful. We saw what our offense looked like. Lynch and Kyle didn't want to blow a potential Super Bowl run when they saw how good the defense was, but the offense clearly was lagging behind. Everyone saw how the offense was lifted when Sanders joined the team. That Captain America talk reeks of some unfounded hatred/agenda.