Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by battletowin:
not going to make the 1K pages before the draft?

I blame NY85 for not being vocal about this

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.

What emotions? It's call intuition and facts. Deebo wants money (aka signing bonuses and guaranteed money) and early. Jimmy is blocking by slowing a trade for him when his 2022 salary is 26M+ in total. 9ers have $861K cap space. 9er FO like any office doesn't want to pay more than necessary, other teams are exactly the same and always looking to take advantage of other teams cap space issues and stealing talented players away, that's nature of the NFL business. The more talented stars you have on your team the high chance you get to the SB.

Do you think another team wants to take on 26M+ when Jimmy can't even throw a ball right now? Even though he isn't a bad QB compare to other starters in the league and has SB, NFCC, play off experience and a high win %.
Who did that? Jimmy. Those other QB desperate teams are just waiting for 9ers to cut him in July so they don't need to take on the full 26M+.

Has it not been pointed out that new contract/extension for Deebo is still possible with Jimmy still around? You see, you make it about Jimmy. Sure, he plays a role, but your sole basis is that it is his fault.

Where is my cap master when I need him. AB, I need you.

100% accurate Jimmy has no bearing on Deebos contract

If Deebo is not traded tonight, the timeline of events shall tell the story. What comes first, Deebo's extension or cut/trade Jimmy?

Will depend on any other restructures get done. I never said nothing needs done to sign him. But we have other options to clear cap space if needed. Its not Jimmy or nothing.

No but the FO has already restructured contracts in order to sign a few FA's this offseason. How many restructures do you think is plausible? When does it become detrimental to the future cap?

I am not denying cutting jimmys dead weight isnt the best option. It is just not our only option like many believe.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:

Cowherd is ridic!... #10 #38 and a 3rd rounder next year?? F@CK noooooooooo its not enough

It would be more than Packers got for Adams and more than kc got for Hill.

Deebo is better and younger than both of those guys, so should fetch more in trade

I would rather have a 1st next year instead of 1st this year. Jets are going to be god awful still so it is probably a top 8 pick anyway plus its a better draft

Originally posted by Brucey72:
I would rather have 35, 38 and 1st next year instead of 1st this year. Jets are going to be god awful still so it is probably a top 8 pick anyway plus its a better draft

Jets are headed in the right direction tbh. The Giants are bad.

Originally posted by fropwns:
This fixation on Jimmy G is incredible. You again dip into the emotional with the "bad karma" quip. So, if I may, it is okay for Deebo to want his bag, but not for Jimmy to protect his? And, for that matter, for the Niners to want to rationally solve this thing in the due course of time?

I know you were asking an overly emotional/irrational poster and not me, but I am going to answer.

Yes, its okay for Deebo to want his bag....but its less okay for Jimmy to want to protect his. He has already secured his bag. And he did so before proving much of anything. He has his bag. He will be getting another one, albeit a substantially smaller one if his market remains close to non-existent like it currently is. Deebo wanting to be paid isnt f**king the organization over. Either we pay him and he is here or we trade him and get a nice haul in return. That is not the same thing as Jimmy. He should have been cut already, but we for some reason are holding onto this hope that his market will actually develop after his rehab is completed. I just dont see it.

For what it is worth "Jimmy's Revenge" sounds like the name of a bad porno. OR a Seinfeld episode.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Brucey72:
I would rather have 35, 38 and 1st next year instead of 1st this year. Jets are going to be god awful still so it is probably a top 8 pick anyway plus its a better draft

Jets are headed in the right direction tbh. The Giants are bad.

Yeah but the AFC is stacked. They will be luck to win 5 games with this schedule
https://fbschedules.com/2022-new-york-jets-schedule/

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Nope not enough, would want 10, one of their 2nd's, their 3rd, a 2023 day 2 pick, and Elijah Moore, or if no Moore, then a 2023 1st instead of a day 2 pick, then we can start talking, but I rather we don't trade him, and we work whatever needs to be worked out with him.

Either #10 has to be #4, or that '23 3rd needs to be a 2nd as well.
Maybe also a conditional involved. Ex. If on the roster week 1 of year 2 another 2nd in 2024. or 1800 total yards and 10tds this year triggers a 1st instead of 2+3.

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:
Cowherd is ridic!... #10 #38 and a 3rd rounder next year?? F@CK noooooooooo its not enough

It would be more than Packers got for Adams and more than kc got for Hill.

Deebo is better and younger than both of those guys, so should fetch more in trade

I wouldn't go that far.

Originally posted by fropwns:

For what it is worth "Jimmy's Revenge" sounds like the name of a bad porno. OR a Seinfeld episode.

JIMMY DONT LIKE DEEBO NO MORE. DEEBOS AFTER JIMMYS MONEY!!

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:
I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.

What emotions? It's call intuition and facts. Deebo wants money (aka signing bonuses and guaranteed money) and early. Jimmy is blocking by slowing a trade for him when his 2022 salary is 26M+ in total. 9ers have $861K cap space. 9er FO like any office doesn't want to pay more than necessary, other teams are exactly the same and always looking to take advantage of other teams cap space issues and stealing talented players away, that's nature of the NFL business. The more talented stars you have on your team the high chance you get to the SB.

Do you think another team wants to take on 26M+ when Jimmy can't even throw a ball right now? Even though he isn't a bad QB compare to other starters in the league and has SB, NFCC, play off experience and a high win %.
Who did that? Jimmy. Those other QB desperate teams are just waiting for 9ers to cut him in July so they don't need to take on the full 26M+.

Has it not been pointed out that new contract/extension for Deebo is still possible with Jimmy still around? You see, you make it about Jimmy. Sure, he plays a role, but your sole basis is that it is his fault.

Where is my cap master when I need him. AB, I need you.

100% accurate Jimmy has no bearing on Deebos contract

TY. Mr. Heaven, sir.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:
I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.

What emotions? It's call intuition and facts. Deebo wants money (aka signing bonuses and guaranteed money) and early. Jimmy is blocking by slowing a trade for him when his 2022 salary is 26M+ in total. 9ers have $861K cap space. 9er FO like any office doesn't want to pay more than necessary, other teams are exactly the same and always looking to take advantage of other teams cap space issues and stealing talented players away, that's nature of the NFL business. The more talented stars you have on your team the high chance you get to the SB.

Do you think another team wants to take on 26M+ when Jimmy can't even throw a ball right now? Even though he isn't a bad QB compare to other starters in the league and has SB, NFCC, play off experience and a high win %.
Who did that? Jimmy. Those other QB desperate teams are just waiting for 9ers to cut him in July so they don't need to take on the full 26M+.

Has it not been pointed out that new contract/extension for Deebo is still possible with Jimmy still around? You see, you make it about Jimmy. Sure, he plays a role, but your sole basis is that it is his fault.

Where is my cap master when I need him. AB, I need you.

Sure whatever you say. Let's see if he gets traded tonight and if not when he gets a extension, before or after Jimmy is gone or maybe they'll just make him play out his rookie contract and tag him 3x and how that will work out, regardless deebo is getting pay if he continues to play well like last year. And once Jimmy is gone along with his 26M+, that money will go to someone else if not deebo not my money, I can care less really to be honest.

Regardless, Blocking someone's money is bad karma. That's exactly what Jimmy has done having surgery late. If his 26M+ can go to doing an extension for deebo, then that bad karma goes back on Jimmy for blocking. No team wants to trade for Jimmy when he can't throw + have to take on his 26M+ total in salary for 2022. Even if a team is desperate for a starting QB, they can wait till July when Jimmy is cut because everyone knows the 9ers are moving on from Jimmy and his 26M+ total salary for 2022.

This fixation on Jimmy G is incredible. You again dip into the emotional with the "bad karma" quip. So, if I may, it is okay for Deebo to want his bag, but not for Jimmy to protect his? And, for that matter, for the Niners to want to rationally solve this thing in the due course of time?

All debate pointless. Why?

Because if deebo doesn't get traded tonight. He will remain with the 9ers on his rookie contract. Trade request denied.

Now is he going to report to training camp? Probably not.
Especially if he doesn't sign a extension when a fair offer hasn't even been offered.

Then come July, Jimmy G will be set to get some of the money from 9ers for 2022, but his shoulder is said to be good by June and the 9ers still want to trade him for picks and dump his 26M+ 2022 salary. So does an extension for deebo gets done by July if deebo isn't traded? Not likely.

SO, if an extension is to be done, it will likely be after July after Jimmy is gone anyway.

What's the debate again? LOL ROFL LMAO, there is none.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by fropwns:
I started feeling better last night about this whole thing, which tells me he is likely dealt today. Look, I think most of us, rationally and with the emotion of the past week behind us, would rather he stay, sign a contract, play like a beast, and help us capture number six. But his actions in the social media arena, his unwillingness to say whether he wants to stay or go, and the circus around the situation continues to point towards him not being with us moving forward. I wish it was otherwise, but it is not. If he does stay, and you are looking for a silver lining, Scottie Pippen remained on the final Bulls title team--though he missed time with an injury--and helped them win.

If he stays, maybe it is his last dance. But, I got to tell you brothers and sisters, it sure does not feel that way today. It feels like he is already gone. Whether the Niners accept that and decide to rationally get the most for him that they can is the remaining question. We will find out in a few more hours.

Lol... why so emotional?

He wants to get pay, pay him with Jimmy's money.

Easy peasy. Jimmy is leaving any way. That was the 9er FOs plan all along lol.. especially once Trey was drafted.

Because emotion and reason are the bedrocks of human existence.

Not when it doesn't concern your livihood. If it's about winning, they need to keep deebo at all cost really.

That is your opinion. Certainly, they rationally believe they need him. It is simple logic, Jim. BUT, they do not emotionally have to commit to him at all. And if he, emotionally has decided, I am done. Then it does not matter, now does it?

Reason and emotion, emotion and reason, my man. They are intertwined in all of the things we do. In fact, you could continually argue a point of view that you deem reasonable, but that really demonstrates your emotional commitment to an idea that is in fact wrong. Yet, you feel that you are being reasonable, when, in fact, you are not. You are being emotional.

For the record, I think a good bit of both is necessary to survive.

Never was about emotions, it's about money. If it is fated for him it will come regardless. He's breaking major generational curses if he gets his pay day with the 9ers or if traded with someone else. Did any of his ancestors have the ability, fortune, karma or destiny to break those generational curses as him now? No. Jimmy can't block that. Jimmy already got his. Jimmy should have already been traded, no he took his sweet time and got his surgery late on purpose. That's not going to stop deebo from getting pay and breaking generational curses..

But, you emotional fellow, you demonstrate both in your contentions. You say it is about money--rational. Though, I would counter the pursuit for more money does not always make us more rational. If anything, it may become an emotional contest to satisfy our need for fulfillment. You speak of his ancestors in racial tones. I, too, as a cultured person believe in what it could mean for him and his family. Here, I would say we have a "push", a little bit of reason and emotion. After all, it feels good to make it for the fam. But then, you betray yourself with Jimmy this, Jimmy that. Like Jim "Pornstar" GQ is the fault of all things. Weak sauce, sir. Very weak sauce, indeed. In fact, like the orbit of a moon, you keep coming back to Jim. I have seen it elsewhere. Why? That is what I mean by your rationale being driven by emotion.

Again, both are fine. Reason and emotion. You need both. It helps give life to your arguments. But you deny them. Tis like denying the air we breathe.

What emotions? It's call intuition and facts. Deebo wants money (aka signing bonuses and guaranteed money) and early. Jimmy is blocking by slowing a trade for him when his 2022 salary is 26M+ in total. 9ers have $861K cap space. 9er FO like any office doesn't want to pay more than necessary, other teams are exactly the same and always looking to take advantage of other teams cap space issues and stealing talented players away, that's nature of the NFL business. The more talented stars you have on your team the high chance you get to the SB.

Do you think another team wants to take on 26M+ when Jimmy can't even throw a ball right now? Even though he isn't a bad QB compare to other starters in the league and has SB, NFCC, play off experience and a high win %.
Who did that? Jimmy. Those other QB desperate teams are just waiting for 9ers to cut him in July so they don't need to take on the full 26M+.

Has it not been pointed out that new contract/extension for Deebo is still possible with Jimmy still around? You see, you make it about Jimmy. Sure, he plays a role, but your sole basis is that it is his fault.

Where is my cap master when I need him. AB, I need you.

100% accurate Jimmy has no bearing on Deebos contract

If Deebo is not traded tonight, the timeline of events shall tell the story. What comes first, Deebo's extension or cut/trade Jimmy?

Will depend on any other restructures get done. I never said nothing needs done to sign him. But we have other options to clear cap space if needed. Its not Jimmy or nothing.

No but the FO has already restructured contracts in order to sign a few FA's this offseason. How many restructures do you think is plausible? When does it become detrimental to the future cap?

I am not denying cutting jimmys dead weight isnt the best option. It is just not our only option like many believe.

If using Jimm'y money is the best option for giving Deebo his earned signing bonus, why would the front office refuse to execute the best option?

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Brucey72:
I would rather have 35, 38 and 1st next year instead of 1st this year. Jets are going to be god awful still so it is probably a top 8 pick anyway plus its a better draft

Jets are headed in the right direction tbh. The Giants are bad.

Yeah but the AFC is stacked. They will be luck to win 5 games with this schedule
https://fbschedules.com/2022-new-york-jets-schedule/

Yes brutal divisiion etc, id want 10 and their 1 next year.

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
The Deebo saga is taking all the attention away from the guys who worked so hard their whole life for this moment.

No it isn't. This draft is low on name recognition/star power. That's nothing to do with Deebo.