Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Originally posted by NCommand:
Aggressively prudent in free agency. Prudently aggressive in contract negotiations.

Well said.

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If I am Deebo and they refuse to pay me like a multi-dimensional player than I refuse to play like a multi-dimensional player. Plain and simple.

That's a great team attitude. Players have to watch out for themselves but they also have to be willing to be part of the team. In this case that means playing all over the place if that's how they feel he is most effective. He played in 16 games last year with 15 starts. That's way more than 2020 and 2019 when he wasn't lining up in the backfield so there is no evidence that shows he will get injured by doing so. He's just as likely to get hurt running across the middle or fighting for yardage after the catch.

And the fact that Deebo is only in this position now because of how Kyle used him. Let's be real, Deebo is now on the map because of this.

Agree. Part of the reason his stat's are so amazing is because of the way Kyle schemes him. I really hope we can sign him but if he wants to try and be the highest paid WR, then I hope we trade him for a lot of picks. I want him here, but not if it means paying him as the top WR in the NFL.

You aren't just signing him as the highest paid wr. You are also paying him as a very productive rb as well.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If I am Deebo and they refuse to pay me like a multi-dimensional player than I refuse to play like a multi-dimensional player. Plain and simple.

That's a great team attitude. Players have to watch out for themselves but they also have to be willing to be part of the team. In this case that means playing all over the place if that's how they feel he is most effective. He played in 16 games last year with 15 starts. That's way more than 2020 and 2019 when he wasn't lining up in the backfield so there is no evidence that shows he will get injured by doing so. He's just as likely to get hurt running across the middle or fighting for yardage after the catch.

And the fact that Deebo is only in this position now because of how Kyle used him. Let's be real, Deebo is now on the map because of this.

Agree. Part of the reason his stat's are so amazing is because of the way Kyle schemes him. I really hope we can sign him but if he wants to try and be the highest paid WR, then I hope we trade him for a lot of picks. I want him here, but not if it means paying him as the top WR in the NFL.

You aren't just signing him as the highest paid wr. You are also paying him as a very productive rb as well.

Agree but the problem is that we don't know what Kyle envisions his offense to be with Trey. Deebo had to step in and take the extra punishment due to Jimmy's inabilities. I honestly see Aiyuk having a break out year and being more of the WR Kyle wants in the future. We can't pay both so going to have to wait and see what Lynch wants to do.

I don't ever want what happened to the Seahawks or Greenbay to happen to us. They overpaid on certain players and never win anything. If Deebo wants 30 mil a year they should trade him for a ton of picks and move on with their lives. A WR for 30m is insane

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I would think the guaranteed money would be more important to Deebo due to his playing style and how he is often used. So why not offer him a 5 year deal worth $20 Million a year but make it fully guaranteed? So while he can not say he is the highest paid WR, He can say he is the only WR who's entire contract is fully guaranteed and has the most guaranteed money out of any WR. So while he can't make more than $100 Million, He also can't make less than that.

Cause he's on average missing about 4 games a season, and given how he's being used now, that is more likely to go up than down.

If they are worried about him getting injured than stop using him like that. It isn't right to make him the focal point of the offense and than refuse to pay him like one.

He was injured before they ever started using him out of the backfield. That's not why he gets hurt. He plays like Kittle and runs so hard that injuries are just bound to happen.

I read the article from SI and they make a good point about Aiyuk. If Deebo gets paid big money won't Aiyuk expect the same if he has one big season. As they point out, he's more likely to be a downfield target for Lance and could easily become the number one target, especially if Deebo misses a few games.

OFTEN I post ... that YUCK is a better WR than Deevah... Deevah is a gadget and last year, he was the BEST GADGET in the NFL.. I posted 24 a year, and i fully believe that it's too much for a GADGET guy..

you all think defenses NEXT year will not figure out a GADGET ??

Nope. Because the only reason he's a "gadget" is because he's ABLE to dominate defenses at every level and from every position.

That's why I actually agree with everyone saying he should be paid for what he brings to the offense. I simply said the team would not want to guarantee him that much. If it were me, instead, I'd pay him for what he gives, but build in protections for the team if he's unable to do it. Make him the highest paid non-QB in the NFL—IF he plays and continues to play like one.

hang on there buddy.... Deevah had a very awesome year, no one will argue .. BUT, Just what EVERY position are you talking about?

When did he dominate as a WR of all the years he's been here?

JaMarr Chase as a rookie already showed better overall talent as a WR than Deebo.. and I'm pretty sure if SF trades Deebo to Cincy straight up for CHASE, many, including YOU will not argue..

some WR from the Rams who came back from a knee injury DOMINATED the league last year as a WR, he was not better than DEEBO all around, but he was WAYYYYY better than Deebo as a WR last year..

.. and what Deebo did for us, Cordarrelle did the same for the Falcons... .. WILL YOU GIVE BOTH 24 A YEAR ??

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
More importantly, to execute Shanahan's vision of a "positionless offense," guys like Deebo are a necessity. Not just guys that can play two positions. But guys who can DOMINATE at two positions. Resigning Deebo is a must.

I'M ALL for signing the guy, but tell me how much do give him for the next 4 years that you think he would TAKE??

Originally posted by Zachary:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Zachary:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Zachary:

Originally posted by kronik:
Yay... another small soft WR With AJ Brown still on the board.

Yikes

Deebo ain't a WR, he's a GADGET..

He's a TOUGHER Percy Harvin..

You and your "trade deevah" takes deserve the most eating crow

... and you believe we should pay him $25 a year??

I'd pay him $25 a year for literally 50+ years if he was down

Yah still down with this post @ ZACH ???

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am a firm believer when it comes to, do you want money or do you want rings?

All I am saying is that Deebo is sacrficing his body and health more than pretty much everyone else on this team. I would rather he had a lesser role and a lesser payday than to see him ran into the ground and not be fairly compensated for it. This is a prime example of why a positionless offense will never work. It creates unfair business practices when negotiations are on the table.

You can't pay everybody top dollar but you cannot expect people to take on a larger role and not be fairly compensated for it either. Shanahan created this mess. I just hope he does the right thing if they cannot pay him what he is asking for.

This goes for Trey to if Shanahan continues to try and use him like a rb also

I'd really like to see what type of season he puts together with Trey under center before breaking the bank for him. Does Kyle change his role with Trey? Does Trey give Deebo a better opportunity to showcase his skills with a QB that can make all of the throws necessary? If he puts up another monster season, pay the dude. I really feel like the offense is about to have a facelift and am glad Kyle has say in everything, since he knows more than anyone how valuable Deebo is to our team moving forward.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am a firm believer when it comes to, do you want money or do you want rings?

All I am saying is that Deebo is sacrficing his body and health more than pretty much everyone else on this team. I would rather he had a lesser role and a lesser payday than to see him ran into the ground and not be fairly compensated for it. This is a prime example of why a positionless offense will never work. It creates unfair business practices when negotiations are on the table.

You can't pay everybody top dollar but you cannot expect people to take on a larger role and not be fairly compensated for it either. Shanahan created this mess. I just hope he does the right thing if they cannot pay him what he is asking for.

This goes for Trey to if Shanahan continues to try and use him like a rb also

I'd really like to see what type of season he puts together with Trey under center before breaking the bank for him. Does Kyle change his role with Trey? Does Trey give Deebo a better opportunity to showcase his skills with a QB that can make all of the throws necessary? If he puts up another monster season, pay the dude. I really feel like the offense is about to have a facelift and am glad Kyle has say in everything, since he knows more than anyone how valuable Deebo is to our team moving forward.

WHERE you basing this from ??

the one who played against Arizona or the one who played against Houston .. .. or you talking about his first ever pass against the LIONS ??

He must first get out of that DUCK CITY way of throwing..

Allow the kid to get a season or two under his belt before making him an ALL PRO already... have you forgotten that he's only played ONE year in college??

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am a firm believer when it comes to, do you want money or do you want rings?

All I am saying is that Deebo is sacrficing his body and health more than pretty much everyone else on this team. I would rather he had a lesser role and a lesser payday than to see him ran into the ground and not be fairly compensated for it. This is a prime example of why a positionless offense will never work. It creates unfair business practices when negotiations are on the table.

You can't pay everybody top dollar but you cannot expect people to take on a larger role and not be fairly compensated for it either. Shanahan created this mess. I just hope he does the right thing if they cannot pay him what he is asking for.

This goes for Trey to if Shanahan continues to try and use him like a rb also

I'd really like to see what type of season he puts together with Trey under center before breaking the bank for him. Does Kyle change his role with Trey? Does Trey give Deebo a better opportunity to showcase his skills with a QB that can make all of the throws necessary? If he puts up another monster season, pay the dude. I really feel like the offense is about to have a facelift and am glad Kyle has say in everything, since he knows more than anyone how valuable Deebo is to our team moving forward.

WHERE you basing this from ??

the one who played against Arizona or the one who played against Houston .. .. or you talking about his first ever pass against the LIONS ??

He must first get out of that DUCK CITY way of throwing..

Allow the kid to get a season or two under his belt before making him an ALL PRO already... have you forgotten that he's only played ONE year in college??

Im basing it off the film Ive seen. Which throws can't he make? I never said he's an all pro and there's obviously more to QBing than being able to make the throws. But strictly talking about ability, he has it. Why don't you start by just telling me what throws you don't think he can make and we'll go from there?

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Deebo as punter >>> Wishnowsky

Deebo as QB >>> Jimmy G

#RealTalk #RealSpit

Maybe you guys that thought we drafted Wishnowsky to run fake punts will finally get wish

Unless Texans overpay for him and he becomes their Swiss Army knife

If they extend Deebo, who gets cut or traded? He's going to force someone else out. Kittle? Warner? 30m on a non QB is stupid. Trade his diva ass for a couple first rounders and focus on Aiyuk, Jennings and kittle or draft another. Sacrificing the entire team for one WR is ridiculous

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
If they extend Deebo, who gets cut or traded? He's going to force someone else out. Kittle? Warner? 30m on a non QB is stupid. Trade his diva ass for a couple first rounders and focus on Aiyuk, Jennings and kittle or draft another. Sacrificing the entire team for one WR is ridiculous

Aiyuk I think the 49ers have more leverage cause of that 5th year option as a first rounder--and also salary cap will increase by then. I think we can pay Deebo and be fine.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Im basing it off the film Ive seen. Which throws can't he make? I never said he's an all pro and there's obviously more to QBing than being able to make the throws. But strictly talking about ability, he has it. Why don't you start by just telling me what throws you don't think he can make and we'll go from there?

In a game or in a practice?

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
If they extend Deebo, who gets cut or traded? He's going to force someone else out. Kittle? Warner? 30m on a non QB is stupid. Trade his diva ass for a couple first rounders and focus on Aiyuk, Jennings and kittle or draft another. Sacrificing the entire team for one WR is ridiculous

WWhat could we get for warner?