Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Question:

We've been lining up Deebo due to a lot of a lack of depth at RB. I imagine that if we had Mostert, Mitchell, and Wilson healthy all year long... we probably never would've had Deebo at RB. We'd probably have a lot more jet sweeps and screens for him though.

I don't agree. Kyle loves versatile players to exploit personnel matchups. He was always going to use Deebo like this. Not to mention that Deebo was running plays out of the backfield last year as well.

Let me rephrase... I feel we had Deebo at RB as more of a necessity, and then Aiyuk was emerging as a WR that we trust to win one-on-one match-ups. What I'm asking is... do you think in the long run, Deebo would have more snaps at RB than the occasional 2 or 3 snaps? In other words... with a healthy stable of RB's, should the playbook evolve to feature Deebo at RB 10-15 snaps a game?

Deebo is an awesome GADGET player... so the longer you keep him on one position, the lesser he may be effective... I doubt that he's built to run the ball by design 17x per game... sure he may gain 200 yards in one game but I also doubt that he can be a pure RB..

Originally posted by 9moon:
Deebo is an awesome GADGET player... so the longer you keep him on one position, the lesser he may be effective... I doubt that he's built to run the ball by design 17x per game... sure he may gain 200 yards in one game but I also doubt that he can be a pure RB..

He is an Offensive Weapon not a gadget player.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Deebo is an awesome GADGET player... so the longer you keep him on one position, the lesser he may be effective... I doubt that he's built to run the ball by design 17x per game... sure he may gain 200 yards in one game but I also doubt that he can be a pure RB..

He is an Offensive Weapon not a gadget player.

Awesome GADGET player is the same as a WEAPON.. it's obvious that he plays offense..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Deebo is an awesome GADGET player... so the longer you keep him on one position, the lesser he may be effective... I doubt that he's built to run the ball by design 17x per game... sure he may gain 200 yards in one game but I also doubt that he can be a pure RB..

He is an Offensive Weapon not a gadget player.

Awesome GADGET player is the same as a WEAPON.. it's obvious that he plays offense..

Nah there is a difference between gadget player and offensive weapon.

One is a gimmick player the other is a threat to make a play on every single play no matter where he lines up. Defenses always account for an OW, they only account for the gadget player when he is on the field.

Taysom Hill was being used like a gadget player by the Saints when Brees was the QB.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Deebo is an awesome GADGET player... so the longer you keep him on one position, the lesser he may be effective... I doubt that he's built to run the ball by design 17x per game... sure he may gain 200 yards in one game but I also doubt that he can be a pure RB..

He is an Offensive Weapon not a gadget player.

Awesome GADGET player is the same as a WEAPON.. it's obvious that he plays offense..

Nah there is a difference between gadget player and offensive weapon.

One is a gimmick player the other is a threat to make a play on every single play no matter where he lines up. Defenses always account for an OW, they only account for the gadget player when he is on the field.

Taysom Hill was being used like a gadget player by the Saints when Brees was the QB.

Do you put Deebo in the same sentence as RICE - OWENS - MOSS as a weapon ??

Originally posted by 9moon:
Do you put Deebo in the same sentence as RICE - OWENS - MOSS as a weapon ??

Bad example because there are very few WR's in the history of the NFL you put in the same sentence as those 3. If any.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Do you put Deebo in the same sentence as RICE - OWENS - MOSS as a weapon ??

Bad example because there are very few WR's in the history of the NFL you put in the same sentence as those 3. If any.

ok, great answer... fair enough fair enough..

I'll keep this current..

U think he's better than Cheetah... OBJ.... Metcalf... Evans.. Hopkins ??

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Let me rephrase... I feel we had Deebo at RB as more of a necessity, and then Aiyuk was emerging as a WR that we trust to win one-on-one match-ups. What I'm asking is... do you think in the long run, Deebo would have more snaps at RB than the occasional 2 or 3 snaps? In other words... with a healthy stable of RB's, should the playbook evolve to feature Deebo at RB 10-15 snaps a game?

I think Kyle put Deebo to have many RB reps was both because of depleted RB room AND it actually proved to beneficial to Jimmy. Jimmy could not consistently be the cerebral, going-through-all-progressions guy, so with Deebo out of the backfield on pass plays it did two things - funneled what usually was the #1 corner to play the backfield and tackle through blocks (instead of defending passes) and #2 made Jimmys reads easier with Kittle or Aiyuk on the receiving end.

And in the process, he realized how powerful it is to have Deebo out of the backfield with back and GK blocking. I'm even more excited to see Lance Mitchell and Deebo, all of them can take off, all can run in different direction from where the play is going.

Originally posted by 9moon:
ok, great answer... fair enough fair enough..

I'll keep this current..

U think he's better than Cheetah... OBJ.... Metcalf... Evans.. Hopkins ??

For sure I would put him over DK,OBJ, and Evans. Evans is probally the most underrated WR in the league and he is the only WR to have over 1000 yards in each of his 1st 7 seasons but only his 2018 season was better than what Deebo is doing this year. And Deebo's total yards counting rushing yards is more than any season Evans has had. OBJ is not elite anymore IMO. Deebo is outplaying DK this year and is not a whiner like DK. I would take Deebo over Hill, Just because I think Hill is a scum human being. The thing with Deebo is we don't even really know what his ceiling is until he gets that elite QB to work with. To ne his only concern is the injuries.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by 9moon:
ok, great answer... fair enough fair enough..

I'll keep this current..

U think he's better than Cheetah... OBJ.... Metcalf... Evans.. Hopkins ??

For sure I would put him over DK,OBJ, and Evans. Evans is probally the most underrated WR in the league and he is the only WR to have over 1000 yards in each of his 1st 7 seasons but only his 2018 season was better than what Deebo is doing this year. And Deebo's total yards counting rushing yards is more than any season Evans has had. OBJ is not elite anymore IMO. Deebo is outplaying DK this year and is not a whiner like DK. I would take Deebo over Hill, Just because I think Hill is a scum human being. The thing with Deebo is we don't even really know what his ceiling is until he gets that elite QB to work with. To ne his only concern is the injuries.

lol Deebo is beating those guys easily and with less receptions.. add in the rushing yards ..beast. terrible take by OP

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by 9moon:
ok, great answer... fair enough fair enough..

I'll keep this current..

U think he's better than Cheetah... OBJ.... Metcalf... Evans.. Hopkins ??

For sure I would put him over DK,OBJ, and Evans. Evans is probally the most underrated WR in the league and he is the only WR to have over 1000 yards in each of his 1st 7 seasons but only his 2018 season was better than what Deebo is doing this year. And Deebo's total yards counting rushing yards is more than any season Evans has had. OBJ is not elite anymore IMO. Deebo is outplaying DK this year and is not a whiner like DK. I would take Deebo over Hill, Just because I think Hill is a scum human being. The thing with Deebo is we don't even really know what his ceiling is until he gets that elite QB to work with. To ne his only concern is the injuries.

lol Deebo is beating those guys easily and with less receptions.. add in the rushing yards ..beast. terrible take by OP

still very subjective... I do understand why the 49er fans will take Deebo over those guys.. but I'm not certain that will be the case entirely...

NO doubt he's having a great year.. . but I personally would not take him over any of the above..

Originally posted by 9moon:
ok, great answer... fair enough fair enough..

I'll keep this current..

U think he's better than Cheetah... OBJ.... Metcalf... Evans.. Hopkins ??

Personally I don't care to compare him to others or decide which players he is or is not better than. But that's just me, to each their own.

He is a great player for us, he is a great fit for what Kyle does and wants to do on offense. And Kyle is definitely maximizing his talent. That is what matters to me.

Hoping next year Aiyuk takes a big step forward like Deebo did for us this year, allowing the offense and more specifically the pass game to become even tougher to defend.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by 9moon:
ok, great answer... fair enough fair enough..

I'll keep this current..

U think he's better than Cheetah... OBJ.... Metcalf... Evans.. Hopkins ??

For sure I would put him over DK,OBJ, and Evans. Evans is probally the most underrated WR in the league and he is the only WR to have over 1000 yards in each of his 1st 7 seasons but only his 2018 season was better than what Deebo is doing this year. And Deebo's total yards counting rushing yards is more than any season Evans has had. OBJ is not elite anymore IMO. Deebo is outplaying DK this year and is not a whiner like DK. I would take Deebo over Hill, Just because I think Hill is a scum human being. The thing with Deebo is we don't even really know what his ceiling is until he gets that elite QB to work with. To ne his only concern is the injuries.

lol Deebo is beating those guys easily and with less receptions.. add in the rushing yards ..beast. terrible take by OP

still very subjective... I do understand why the 49er fans will take Deebo over those guys.. but I'm not certain that will be the case entirely...

NO doubt he's having a great year.. . but I personally would not take him over any of the above..

seems like you don't like anyone on our team..

Cheetah : Only a deep threat or needs his QB to scramble to get more time to get open
OBJ: Has been, doesn't block, takes plays off..
DK: only can run the go route
Evans: Great, but hurt all the time
Hopkins: Would be a good debate, but still needs a complimentary WR on the other side

Originally posted by 9moon:
still very subjective... I do understand why the 49er fans will take Deebo over those guys.. but I'm not certain that will be the case entirely...

NO doubt he's having a great year.. . but I personally would not take him over any of the above..

What makes DK better than Deebo? Deebo had a better rookie season. Metcalf had a much better 2nd year but Deebo only played 7 games and wasn't really healthy the entire season. And Deebo is having a much better 2021 season. He's almost doubling DK in total yards. With a lesser QB for the majority of the games. And he's played 1 less game.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
seems like you don't like anyone on our team..

Cheetah : Only a deep threat or needs his QB to scramble to get more time to get open
OBJ: Has been, doesn't block, takes plays off..
DK: only can run the go route
Evans: Great, but hurt all the time
Hopkins: Would be a good debate, but still needs a complimentary WR on the other side

Deebo is a star but let's get real Hopkins is another tier above Samuel as a receiver. Hopkins has been a star with multiple ass qbs most of his career