Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Trying to trade him to the Chargers is a great idea. Might be only one coach in the league that would love him even more than Shanahan and that's Jim Harbaugh lol. He could just transition to a pretty solid RB. Deebo's actually been comparatively healthier than any of the backs they currently have. You know Harbaugh "me run football, me want Deebo."

I don't believe they'll be a high demand for the '24 version of Deebo(the Pillsbury Doughboy).

Hopefully I'm wrong though.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by ninerjok:

Originally posted by dj43:
"Samuel's contract is more or less a player's dream and a team's nightmare. The 49ers made the decision to use large bonuses in every year of the contract for much-needed cap relief each season. The 49ers have prorated about 92.5% of the first three years of Samuel's contract extension that was signed in 2022. This leaves the 49ers with $31.55 million in prorated charges to deal with in 2025 if Samuel is cut or traded, which is #3.7M more in cap space than the 49ers have spent on Samuel as an active player over the last three years. If the 49ers were to trade Samuel they would take all $31.55 million in cap charges in 2025 and would require some minor tweaking of his contract to avoid that number jumping by about another $3 million."

https://overthecap.com/a-closer-look-at-deebo-samuels-contract-with-the-49ers

Just no good options...

So basically they backloaded the f**k out of his deal, which was a terrible idea.

not terrible at the time. These moves are done for players you see that could be here longer. Kittle, Trent and CMC have restructured also.. which is safe to do..

Deebo unfortunately took a wrong turn

Are the 49ers calling his bluff?

"Go see who wants you and what they are willing to pay and get back to us."

i don't think it's a bluff, but i don't think we would just give him up for nothing and take a huge hit.

if the right deal comes a long, i think we take it

I don't like the optics of it but I see Deebo not finding a favorable landing spot and playing out his contract here (with some adjustments). I'd rather be done with his prima donna act but the money may get in the way.

Originally posted by dj43:
I don't like the optics of it but I see Deebo not finding a favorable landing spot and playing out his contract here (with some adjustments). I'd rather be done with his prima donna act but the money may get in the way.

i would have issue bringing him back. he's a gadget player, kick returner. he struggles at route running or giving the QB a consistent open option in the pass game. he lashed out at a teammate in a physical altercation, and about a month later bemoaned the clubs lack of performance saying it's not his fault. he then turned in one of the worst games i've ever seen from a 49er with all eyes on him, in primetime. if we do bring him back, i think he should just return kicks with seriously limited O snaps. we are better on O with him watching the football games.

Originally posted by ninerjok:

Originally posted by dj43:
"Samuel's contract is more or less a player's dream and a team's nightmare. The 49ers made the decision to use large bonuses in every year of the contract for much-needed cap relief each season. The 49ers have prorated about 92.5% of the first three years of Samuel's contract extension that was signed in 2022. This leaves the 49ers with $31.55 million in prorated charges to deal with in 2025 if Samuel is cut or traded, which is #3.7M more in cap space than the 49ers have spent on Samuel as an active player over the last three years. If the 49ers were to trade Samuel they would take all $31.55 million in cap charges in 2025 and would require some minor tweaking of his contract to avoid that number jumping by about another $3 million."

https://overthecap.com/a-closer-look-at-deebo-samuels-contract-with-the-49ers

Just no good options...

So basically they backloaded the f**k out of his deal, which was a terrible idea.

No. They restructured, which reduced base salary and gave him a bunch upfront. The money hitting the cap if traded is money he has already been paid. If it were a backloaded deal, with money having been paid out already, they would be better off.

Just releasing him would be less complicated than figuring out the right time to trade him. Release him after June 1st and be done with it.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Just releasing him would be less complicated than figuring out the right time to trade him. Release him after June 1st and be done with it.

Nah, can't do that. Gotta get something for him or he can watch from the bench

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Just releasing him would be less complicated than figuring out the right time to trade him. Release him after June 1st and be done with it.

Nah, can't do that. Gotta get something for him or he can watch from the bench

I don't mind either way.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by ninerjok:

Originally posted by dj43:
"Samuel's contract is more or less a player's dream and a team's nightmare. The 49ers made the decision to use large bonuses in every year of the contract for much-needed cap relief each season. The 49ers have prorated about 92.5% of the first three years of Samuel's contract extension that was signed in 2022. This leaves the 49ers with $31.55 million in prorated charges to deal with in 2025 if Samuel is cut or traded, which is #3.7M more in cap space than the 49ers have spent on Samuel as an active player over the last three years. If the 49ers were to trade Samuel they would take all $31.55 million in cap charges in 2025 and would require some minor tweaking of his contract to avoid that number jumping by about another $3 million."

https://overthecap.com/a-closer-look-at-deebo-samuels-contract-with-the-49ers

Just no good options...

So basically they backloaded the f**k out of his deal, which was a terrible idea.

not terrible at the time. These moves are done for players you see that could be here longer. Kittle, Trent and CMC have restructured also.. which is safe to do..

Deebo unfortunately took a wrong turn

Are the 49ers calling his bluff?

"Go see who wants you and what they are willing to pay and get back to us."

i don't think it's a bluff, but i don't think we would just give him up for nothing and take a huge hit.

if the right deal comes a long, i think we take it

I don't like the optics of it but I see Deebo not finding a favorable landing spot and playing out his contract here (with some adjustments). I'd rather be done with his prima donna act but the money may get in the way.

What amount of draft capital is it worth to trade him prior to June 1st vs cutting him post June 1st and saving around $20M in dead cap money ? Plus, you'd have to trade him before his $5M ( I think ) signing bonus is due, sometime in March

Originally posted by mayo49:
Just releasing him would be less complicated than figuring out the right time to trade him. Release him after June 1st and be done with it.

Just sucks not getting any type of compensation for him.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by ninerjok:

Originally posted by dj43:
"Samuel's contract is more or less a player's dream and a team's nightmare. The 49ers made the decision to use large bonuses in every year of the contract for much-needed cap relief each season. The 49ers have prorated about 92.5% of the first three years of Samuel's contract extension that was signed in 2022. This leaves the 49ers with $31.55 million in prorated charges to deal with in 2025 if Samuel is cut or traded, which is #3.7M more in cap space than the 49ers have spent on Samuel as an active player over the last three years. If the 49ers were to trade Samuel they would take all $31.55 million in cap charges in 2025 and would require some minor tweaking of his contract to avoid that number jumping by about another $3 million."

https://overthecap.com/a-closer-look-at-deebo-samuels-contract-with-the-49ers

Just no good options...

So basically they backloaded the f**k out of his deal, which was a terrible idea.

No. They restructured, which reduced base salary and gave him a bunch upfront. The money hitting the cap if traded is money he has already been paid. If it were a backloaded deal, with money having been paid out already, they would be better off.

This. There is always a downside to restructuring deals. Gives immediate relief but tends to bite you down the road

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Just releasing him would be less complicated than figuring out the right time to trade him. Release him after June 1st and be done with it.

Nah, can't do that. Gotta get something for him or he can watch from the bench

I don't mind either way.

We don't have a say, but it's something you and every fan should mind. He should not get rewarded for quitting

Originally posted by tommyncal:
What amount of draft capital is it worth to trade him prior to June 1st vs cutting him post June 1st and saving around $20M in dead cap money ? Plus, you'd have to trade him before his $5M ( I think ) signing bonus is due, sometime in March

Yeah, either we are cutting him with a post 1st June designation or trading him with that. The cost implications are way too much to do it pre June 1st. It sucks - so the only hope (IMO) is to get a player or mid-late round pick next year.

id love to see us trade him to the chargers for Bosa but I doubt something like that happens. I prefer Deebo to go to the AFC and I'd love to see us get another edge rusher who's worth talking about

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Just releasing him would be less complicated than figuring out the right time to trade him. Release him after June 1st and be done with it.

Nah, can't do that. Gotta get something for him or he can watch from the bench

I don't mind either way.

We don't have a say, but it's something you and every fan should mind. He should not get rewarded for quitting

It's much less about us "rewarding" Deebo. lol it's about what's best for the organization.
1. what we do with him has huge cost implications
2. it's not good for the locker room or team culture to have a guy who's been a big piece of leadership to sit there wanting out and throwing a tantrum. We don't need any more distractions.

hes also declined quite a bit the last two years (at least in our scheme). So it doesn't really benefit us much to hold him hostage and hope he plays.
this is about what's best for the team. Has nothing to do with "rewarding" or "punishing" anyone.

The route you're suggesting could end up with catastrophically bad results - but at least he wouldn't be rewarded right? Lol

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Just releasing him would be less complicated than figuring out the right time to trade him. Release him after June 1st and be done with it.

Nah, can't do that. Gotta get something for him or he can watch from the bench

I don't mind either way.

We don't have a say, but it's something you and every fan should mind. He should not get rewarded for quitting

It's much less about us "rewarding" Deebo. lol it's about what's best for the organization.
1. what we do with him has huge cost implications
2. it's not good for the locker room or team culture to have a guy who's been a big piece of leadership to sit there wanting out and throwing a tantrum. We don't need any more distractions.

hes also declined quite a bit the last two years (at least in our scheme). So it doesn't really benefit us much to hold him hostage and hope he plays.
this is about what's best for the team. Has nothing to do with "rewarding" or "punishing" anyone.

The route you're suggesting could end up with catastrophically bad results - but at least he wouldn't be rewarded right? Lol

It is a reward for Deebo tho. You cut him and he's able to pick his own team and get a new contract.

This team needs to start getting something for any talent leaving them. Stop being "good" Deebo asked for the trade. Tough s**t. Deal with it Deebo.

They got enough cap room to eat the dead cap hit and gain a pick from it. Now if they're not getting any bites worth it, then go ahead and cut his ass but it's a bad precedent to set imo. Odds are he will wind up in the division or one of the NFC rivals if we cut him. Send him to Pittsburgh or Denver and a box of twinkies.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by tommyncal:
What amount of draft capital is it worth to trade him prior to June 1st vs cutting him post June 1st and saving around $20M in dead cap money ? Plus, you'd have to trade him before his $5M ( I think ) signing bonus is due, sometime in March

Yeah, either we are cutting him with a post 1st June designation or trading him with that. The cost implications are way too much to do it pre June 1st. It sucks - so the only hope (IMO) is to get a player or mid-late round pick next year.

id love to see us trade him to the chargers for Bosa but I doubt something like that happens. I prefer Deebo to go to the AFC and I'd love to see us get another edge rusher who's worth talking about

All we'd be talking about with Joey is why is he missing another game. Major pass on him