Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
All that sounds good but look at how many teams with elite WRs never make the SB. Many can't even get into the playoffs. On the other hand, look at how much CMC helped the Niners in 2023. Look at Barkley in Philly this year or Hewnry in Baltimore. Henry mad Jackson better by taking some of the load off him.

Deebo isn't the treat he used to be. He only had 3 recieving TDs and 5 rushing TDs. His longest run was 13 yards.

I mean bengals made it with Chase, rams won it with Kupp, AJ brown just won, T Hill won in KC. Bucs had Evans.

I could say the same thing about the many RBs that don't get into the playoffs all the same.

there's a reason why WRs get paid what they do and RBs get paid what they do.

Barkley didn't make it anywhere when he was in NY for years. Same with CMC in Car.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
TK reporting that everyone expects Deebo to be an ex-49er soon

Would be funny if getting rid of Deebo actually unlocks Kyle's brain and the offense actually takes off in a big way. As good as Deebo has been for us Kyle has just been infatuated with him and recently it's bitten us in the ass more than it's helped us.

Not sure why Kyle went away from his normal scheme and played more straight up..

but I got feeling more of his presnap motion scheme will be coming back

That motion doesn't work at all anymore. The ravens already showed the blueprint how to beat this. All the defense does is not move at all put everyone on the line and then delayed rush drop zone.

The offensive line on the niners had no idea who to block.

The stupid motions keep Brock from audibling the play and cause us delay of game penalties.

Just get to the line and hike the ball with tempo. I'm so sick of the stupid presnap motions and no play changes at the line.

You have to get rid of deebo and CMC to make Kyle change his offense. Getting rid of deebo isn't enough.

Wonder if Deebo is taking the boombox gig to his new team.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Wonder if Deebo is taking the boombox gig to his new team.

seattle sea dragons will be boomin

Originally posted by mayo49:

Wonder if Deebo is taking the boombox gig to his new team.

Boombox is a 9er thing not a Deebo thing

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Wonder if Deebo is taking the boombox gig to his new team.

Boombox is a 9er thing not a Deebo thing

more than a few teams are doing that now

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
TK reporting that everyone expects Deebo to be an ex-49er soon

Would be funny if getting rid of Deebo actually unlocks Kyle's brain and the offense actually takes off in a big way. As good as Deebo has been for us Kyle has just been infatuated with him and recently it's bitten us in the ass more than it's helped us.

Not sure why Kyle went away from his normal scheme and played more straight up..

but I got feeling more of his presnap motion scheme will be coming back

That motion doesn't work at all anymore. The ravens already showed the blueprint how to beat this. All the defense does is not move at all put everyone on the line and then delayed rush drop zone.

The offensive line on the niners had no idea who to block.

The stupid motions keep Brock from audibling the play and cause us delay of game penalties.

Just get to the line and hike the ball with tempo. I'm so sick of the stupid presnap motions and no play changes at the line.

You have to get rid of deebo and CMC to make Kyle change his offense. Getting rid of deebo isn't enough.

Bull MF s**t !

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/188680-49ers-accept-these-proposals-samuel/

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
TK reporting that everyone expects Deebo to be an ex-49er soon

So 49ers gonna designate his cap hit to June?

God I hope so... that would screw us if not.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
TK reporting that everyone expects Deebo to be an ex-49er soon

So 49ers gonna designate his cap hit to June?

God I hope so... that would screw us if not.

Why extend/restructure him if you don't want him? Or maybe this was Deebo's decision after all?
If so, what's going on that is making a player not want to be here?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Teams need to get away from overpaying WRs. Teams always have 2 WRs and sometimes 3. TEs are popular targets. RBs get their share. If a QB throws 40 passes which is a lot then that means it can be spread between 4-5 guys. Given the amount that they actually contribute in the typical game they shouldn't be paid more than a good RB who touches the ball more and is often called on to block big D linemen.

I think Kittle had it right. I forget what interview recently, but he said you nay be better off paying two top tight ends than one receiver. I actually agree. Imagine Kittle + LaPorta, who you could get for slightly more than what you are spending on a single top 5-10 receiver.

Granted, LaPorta isn't available, but then sentiment is,based on the market, we may want to start spending elsewhere.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Boldjames:
Trade

A trade would be preferable if anyone offered a 3rd or higher. Otherwise a cut is better since they'll save more money.

They don't save money regardless. It's just if they want to eat it all now or spread it out. Sometimes getting that DM over with in one shot is better than dealing with it for a couple yrs.

imo if there's a trade worth looking at go ahead and do it…if there's nothing than cut him now and post it as a June 1st cut. Go let him find work elsewhere. No need to hold him hostage waiting for a future day 3 pick in June.

I'll always root for Deebo

If they can make it work somehow, I say eat the dead money now. As for the trade itself, I think there are some things in our favor.

1. Poor receiver draft.

2. Deebo still has something to offer- especially if he isn't being counted on to be the number 1 offensive target.

3. Bump this year's numbers to around 100 targets and he gets nearly 1000 yards at his current rate.

4. Only one year left on his deal. A team could trade for Deebo and have potential to recoup the pick if he leaves in free agency.

If I were certain teams, I'd easily offer a 5th. But for the receiver poor teams, a 4th would be worth it and there are a lot of receiver poor teams.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
TK reporting that everyone expects Deebo to be an ex-49er soon

So 49ers gonna designate his cap hit to June?

God I hope so... that would screw us if not.

Why extend/restructure him if you don't want him? Or maybe this was Deebo's decision after all?
If so, what's going on that is making a player not want to be here?

The salary cap number is high enough where we can get someone better for our offense and then release him June 1st or trade him for next years draft. The only way it makes sense from a salary cap perspective.

Originally posted by InfernoDaLuz:
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/188680-49ers-accept-these-proposals-samuel/

Yes to either.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
That's bad. Even by the numbers bad. Your saying 120 targets over 17 games = 7 targets a game and he's catching 75/120 targets 4.5 catches a game to not even make up over 1k yards in a 17 game season.

Next I expect you to say give him more handoffs so he can average 3ypc or less.

It's a straight loss. You think teams are giving up a third round pick for a 29 year old receiver that takes plays off, runs bad routes, and has weak hands and poor hands. But he can average 3ypc as a running back.

3rd round picks are valuable. You got puni, Warner, cowing, Witherspoon, Borland, Bowman... All third round picks...

No way. I mean there's dumb teams in the NFL like the browns that can screw up every year but they'd have to be completely stupid...

I mean JJ had 113 targets and had 975 yards this yr. We all thought JJ was a stud.

scary Terry had 117 targets and 1,092 yards and everyone thought he was great this yr (he was).

3rd rd picks also netted SF and ton of horrible players all the same. I wouldn't say Pitt has knocked it out of the park with their 3rd rd picks as well.

Took the words out of my mouth. I want to hear that poster declare that JJ was "bad" this year.

Then using some of our best 3rd round picks, while ignoring the worst. Interesting. I don't think we are getting a 3rd. But a 4th or 5th for a guy that can immediately be a starter, a no. 2 receiver, and give you 800 to 1000 yards, with a year of no guaranteed money for the trading team in a bad receiver draft would be a solid move for a team lacking in the receiver department.

Sixth or 7th round picks typically don't yield that. Neither do 4th and 5th round picks. Most teams don't expect to gain a starter with a day 3 pick. Folks shouldn't confuse anyone saying Deebo can still play with Deebo is the same guy from 2021. No one is saying that. All depends on what the asking price is. I'd bet he could be moved now for a 5th but the 49ers are holding out for a 4th.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by InfernoDaLuz:
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/188680-49ers-accept-these-proposals-samuel/

Yes to either.

Yeah, if either of those were on the table, Deebo is gone lol. Eating that 30 million is tough but a top 100 pick would be golden.