WR Dante "Do something...anything" Pettis

Pettis keeping his eyes on the prize. Not silly trade talk

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean you kinda created the personal narrative with the comments you've made about Pettis for a while now. That's not me saying you're wrong or anything just that there's a reason people are saying that to you.

It's officially day 50 of me having to tell people to have patience with these young players. He's got 11 career starts and people want to dump him or think he's actually a trade prospect? come on meow. Kid ha 17 targets this yr, kinda hard to put up awesome stats with SF not throwing the ball overall.

This isn't fantasy football, the front office and coaching staff have time/capital/money invested into him.

I get it. Stating early concerns that have come true thus far sucks both ways. I get tagged with having a narrative against him and he's not shining. But I guess having a narrative is different to me...to me that means you aren't objective and have something for or against him before evidence supports a reason to have concerns or likes.

The funny thing here is, IMHO, this is more about ShanaLynch than anything. Going and getting Sanders validates your point about them moving from rebuild mode to compete now mode. Giving up 2nd-4th round drafts picks validates that. Depth validates that. Record validates that. The FO moving on quickly from players validates that. Willing to literally, pay for their mistakes in FA, validates that.

That's why I'm surprised with the your patience stance in the same token. Kyle might just be done with players like Pettis and Goodwin esp. now that he's got his man and he's worked with them every day they've been here.

Having Sanders around the locker room, practices, and game days will raise the expectations of what the coaches want in our current WRs who have been on the team multiple years but have not made a jump in production.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I get it. Stating early concerns that have come true thus far sucks both ways. I get tagged with having a narrative against him and he's not shining. But I guess having a narrative is different to me...to me that means you aren't objective and have something for or against him before evidence supports a reason to have concerns or likes.

The funny thing here is, IMHO, this is more about ShanaLynch than anything. Going and getting Sanders validates your point about them moving from rebuild mode to compete now mode. Giving up 2nd-4th round drafts picks validates that. Depth validates that. Record validates that. The FO moving on quickly from players validates that. Willing to literally, pay for their mistakes in FA, validates that.

That's why I'm surprised with the your patience stance in the same token. Kyle might just be done with players like Pettis and Goodwin esp. now that he's got his man and he's worked with them every day they've been here.

Yet Armstead and Ward also validate that they will take time on players they think aren't where they can be.

Originally posted by NCommand:
PS: Witherspoon is a poor example. Pettis is a player Kyle is working with every single day and was on him 24/7 even in the off season, even during breaks. If anyone knows if he's got it, it's Kyle. Witherspoon was a player the GM/HC had lots of concerns about quality coaching and made a change and now all our secondary players have improved. The FO also did nothing to replace Witherspoon. Kyle drafted Hurd and Deebo, two plays polar opposite of Pettis and then brought in Sanders, a veteran version of Pettis.

If so, Kyle might be facing a suspension.

(Stop exaggerating)

Originally posted by captveg:

If so, Kyle might be facing a suspension.

(Stop exaggerating)

I'm actually not. Pettis said in an interview Kyle was texting him during the bye week too to stay on him. LOL.


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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Yet Armstead and Ward also validate that they will take time on players they think aren't where they can be.

Man this gets twisted. Armstead and Ward are two players, literally, Saleh and the coaching staff were in LOVE with. They believed in them and were never in the dog house

Do you get that same sense with Kyle and Pettis? Be honest.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by captveg:
If so, Kyle might be facing a suspension.

(Stop exaggerating)

I'm actually not. Pettis said in an interview Kyle was texting him during the bye week too to stay on him. LOL.

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Bye week and offseason are two different things re: coach/player contact

Originally posted by NCommand:
I get it. Stating early concerns that have come true thus far sucks both ways. I get tagged with having a narrative against him and he's not shining. But I guess having a narrative is different to me...to me that means you aren't objective and have something for or against him before evidence supports a reason to have concerns or likes.

The funny thing here is, IMHO, this is more about ShanaLynch than anything. Going and getting Sanders validates your point about them moving from rebuild mode to compete now mode. Giving up 2nd-4th round drafts picks validates that. Depth validates that. Record validates that. The FO moving on quickly from players validates that. Willing to literally, pay for their mistakes in FA, validates that.

That's why I'm surprised with the your patience stance in the same token. Kyle might just be done with players like Pettis and Goodwin esp. now that he's got his man and he's worked with them every day they've been here.

I mean some of the things you were talking about weren't really football related with him. Some of it was. The thing is NO ONE is shining. Some of that is game script, some of it is on the WRs, some of it is on the QB, and some of it is on the HC.

Getting Sanders just helps the team right now. They need a good vet WR when they're 6-0, they wouldn't have done it if they were 2-4 IMO...Even before the season started they were in on OBJ. IMO I never thought Pettis was a true WR#1 (not sure if you or others were really thinking that). He can separate, he does have speed, he's actually a damn good blocker as well. We've seen him make catches in traffic this yr. You need to have plenty of good WRs.

Sure I have patience for a kid that they drafted early. It's not the same as Williams who went at pick 121. There hasn't been a ton of opportunity for him or really any of the other WRs so far this season. So no, I'm not so quick to move off a young player with 17 total targets this yr.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Having Sanders around the locker room, practices, and game days will raise the expectations of what the coaches want in our current WRs who have been on the team multiple years but have not made a jump in production.

I keep hearing this narrative but if he's losing his game day snaps to him, how can he truly improve?

One way that could work is if Sanders bolts after the season and Pettis ate up everything and came back a new man with a different mindset. But do you not think he's already getting that veteran guidance from Wes Welker and Kyle himself? Why would he need Sanders to suddenly get it? Because nobody else is here to push him for his snaps???

Originally posted by NCommand:
Man this gets twisted. Armstead and Ward are two players, literally, Saleh and the coaching staff were in LOVE with. They believed in them and were never in the dog house

Do you get that same sense with Kyle and Pettis? Be honest.

If Kyle is going to trade up for a player and give him less than 3 years to prove himself he is way too impatient. 3 years is the minimum any player drafted on day 1 or 2 should be given. Trading Pettis at his lowest value point is absolutely an asinine idea.

Garnett was in the doghouse and they let him stay on IR an entire year then sat around on the bench for another year before they decided to release him. Why didn't they cut him year 1 when his knee was bad? He wasn't even their guy.

Originally posted by captveg:

Bye week and offseason are two different things re: coach/player contact

Oh you thought I meant actual off season. No, he had Welker do it for him. Kidding.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

If Kyle is going to trade up for a player and give him less than 3 years to prove himself he is way too impatient. 3 years is the minimum any player drafted on day 1 or 2 should be given. Trading Pettis at his lowest value point is absolutely an asinine idea.

Garnett was in the doghouse and they let him stay on IR an entire year then sat around on the bench for another year before they decided to release him. Why didn't they cut him year 1 when his knee was bad? He wasn't even their guy.

You didn't answer my question.

I do agree with the 3 year principle but if you've got a playoff team AND the player isn't showing the drive, will or dedication to become what you drafted him to be, why wait 3 years? Garnett is a good example...Kyle soured on him too pretty quickly and poof, gone. Bourne was also in the dog house but worked his ass off and this off season, went to bat for him and kept him despite the big drops in pre season. He retained him.

Originally posted by NCommand:
You didn't answer my question.

I do agree with the 3 year principle but if you've got a playoff team AND the player isn't showing the drive, will or dedication to become what you drafted him to be, why wait 3 years? Garnett is a good example...Kyle soured on him too pretty quickly and poof, gone. Bourne was also in the dog house but worked his ass off and this off season, went to bat for him and kept him despite the big drops in pre season. He retained him.

Garnett wasnt poof gone. He was on IR for a years and a backup for another year. A full year to rehab and another full year. Then he even got training camp this year. If it was just about doghouse why not cut him with an injury settlement in 2017? Why give him 2 more training camps?

Your question isn't relevant because you are speculating on Kyles true feelings which neither of us really know. Coaches say all sorts of things, true or untrue, to either motivate or validate players.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I mean some of the things you were talking about weren't really football related with him. Some of it was. The thing is NO ONE is shining. Some of that is game script, some of it is on the WRs, some of it is on the QB, and some of it is on the HC.

Getting Sanders just helps the team right now. They need a good vet WR when they're 6-0, they wouldn't have done it if they were 2-4 IMO...Even before the season started they were in on OBJ. IMO I never thought Pettis was a true WR#1 (not sure if you or others were really thinking that). He can separate, he does have speed, he's actually a damn good blocker as well. We've seen him make catches in traffic this yr. You need to have plenty of good WRs.

Sure I have patience for a kid that they drafted early. It's not the same as Williams who went at pick 121. There hasn't been a ton of opportunity for him or really any of the other WRs so far this season. So no, I'm not so quick to move off a young player with 17 total targets this yr.

Haha...yeah, I had too much fun with his Twitter. Fair.

Just remember, I said IMHO, there's a 75% we retain him. My stance here is that this IS a real possibility and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he was part of a package deal...like Thomas, Mullens, Goodwin, James, etc.

Originally posted by PrisonOfGlass:

I was listening to that on my way in to work and it brightened up my morning.

Exactly..I was like DO IT