WR Dante "Do something...anything" Pettis

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:

One could make the dog house argument but I think most of it is he and JG don't have chemistry and clearly are not in sync. We saw it in practice. We saw it in pre season games. One miscommunication in a game and that's a pick-6 going the other way. And I think Kyle badly wants Deebo to be his feature X receiver. This is why Kyle said at the end of pre season, Pettis was still working on carving out a role on this team.

He lost the return job to James and the X to Deebo.

So........2 snaps and not featured in the game plan in week 1.

Not buying that lack of chemistry point of view. Lack of chemistry to the point of not playing seems a stretch. Not all QB and WR teammates have chemistry, they are coached to be on the same page in regards to the playbook. You can't say that JG has chemistry with all other WRs that played on Sunday.

My guess is that they were all more prepared throughout training camp in regards to the playbook and showing up focused everyday. The 49ers have invested a 2nd round pick in Pettis whom was touted as a WR that can play all WR positions and return kicks, compound that with the fact that we were missing 2 WRs to injury tells me that Pettis is in the doghouse for some reason, probably lack of preparation. If I were to tell you pre-training camp that Pettis would have 2 snaps in the game opener you would probably not believe me. He has had more snaps in practice and games than Deebo if you consider 2018 which should contribute to a greater chemistry.

Yup. I totally could buy this stance. I just don't want Hoov thinking I'm pulling crap outta my ass despite the mountains of circumstantial evidence to this point.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup. I totally could buy this stance. I just don't want Hoov thinking I'm pulling crap outta my ass despite the mountains of circumstantial evidence to this point.

For your sake, at least the crap is coming out of your ass and not somewhere else!

If any thing, i would say lack of trust between JG and Pettis as well as Shanahan and Pettis. Trust that Pettis is focused and prepared to be in the right place when JG throws to a space. I am no evaluator but my impress was that Pettis has all the physical tools to be a good WR. Maybe he just doesn't have the mental game need at this point.

Not having trust in your coach/QB is not good.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Yup. I totally could buy this stance. I just don't want Hoov thinking I'm pulling crap outta my ass despite the mountains of circumstantial evidence to this point.

For your sake, at least the crap is coming out of your ass and not somewhere else!

If any thing, i would say lack of trust between JG and Pettis as well as Shanahan and Pettis. Trust that Pettis is focused and prepared to be in the right place when JG throws to a space. I am no evaluator but my impress was that Pettis has all the physical tools to be a good WR. Maybe he just doesn't have the mental game need at this point.

Not having trust in your coach/QB is not good.

My crap does stink but it's usually right on que too. LOL

I agree with all of those concerns and have from day 1.

game's in his head now.. he needs a fresh start.

Pettis and Breida to Cincy for Aj Green and a 5th rounder.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Serious question...

What do you call a second round draft choice, now in his second year, and still sitting on the bench?!

a underachiever at best?

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Serious question...

What do you call a second round draft choice, now in his second year, and still sitting on the bench?!

a underachiever at best?

I can accept that, lol

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Serious question...

What do you call a second round draft choice, now in his second year, and still sitting on the bench?!

a underachiever at best?

I can accept that, lol

at least i tried to give you an answer! wonder what answer you get from people who love the guy

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Serious question...

What do you call a second round draft choice, now in his second year, and still sitting on the bench?!

He led the WR in TD catches last year. Shannan just likes his new toy in Deebo.

Originally posted by AkNiners:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Serious question...

What do you call a second round draft choice, now in his second year, and still sitting on the bench?!

He led the WR in TD catches last year. Shannan just likes his new toy in Deebo.

aside from george our wide outs did not scare anyone. in regards to deebo he was drafted at two for a reason. he and hurd were brought in to light a fire. maybe pettis was the best in a group of woefully underachievers last year., now james seems to have responded well to the challenge.. who knows about goodwin and pettis

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:

One could make the dog house argument but I think most of it is he and JG don't have chemistry and clearly are not in sync. We saw it in practice. We saw it in pre season games. One miscommunication in a game and that's a pick-6 going the other way. And I think Kyle badly wants Deebo to be his feature X receiver. This is why Kyle said at the end of pre season, Pettis was still working on carving out a role on this team.

He lost the return job to James and the X to Deebo.

So........2 snaps and not featured in the game plan in week 1.

Not buying that lack of chemistry point of view. Lack of chemistry to the point of not playing seems a stretch. Not all QB and WR teammates have chemistry, they are coached to be on the same page in regards to the playbook. You can't say that JG has chemistry with all other WRs that played on Sunday.

My guess is that they were all more prepared throughout training camp in regards to the playbook and showing up focused everyday. The 49ers have invested a 2nd round pick in Pettis whom was touted as a WR that can play all WR positions and return kicks, compound that with the fact that we were missing 2 WRs to injury tells me that Pettis is in the doghouse for some reason, probably lack of preparation. If I were to tell you pre-training camp that Pettis would have 2 snaps in the game opener you would probably not believe me. He has had more snaps in practice and games than Deebo if you consider 2018 which should contribute to a greater chemistry.

Yup. I totally could buy this stance. I just don't want Hoov thinking I'm pulling crap outta my ass despite the mountains of circumstantial evidence to this point.

My ears were burning lol. Not so much pulling out of your ass per se, just taking liberties with what has actually been said to align with what you believe is happening.
For instance JG says Pettis is very good, but they are working on getting chemistry together. NC says JG says he doesn't trust Pettis.
KS says Pettis is a sponge and easy to teach, but he wants him to work on consistency and be better in traffic. NC says KS says that Pettis has no work ethic or love for the game.
Scouting report out of college states work ethic, student of the game and coachability as strengths. NC says he was concerned with Pettis work ethic and dedication from day 1.
NC says Pettis said that he is afraid to return punts and that Trenton Brown was offered a deal in FA by NE....well these actually do fall under pulling out of ones ass
Hope we see more than 2 snaps this weekend

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

My ears were burning lol. Not so much pulling out of your ass per se, just taking liberties with what has actually been said to align with what you believe is happening.
For instance JG says Pettis is very good, but they are working on getting chemistry together. NC says JG says he doesn't trust Pettis.
KS says Pettis is a sponge and easy to teach, but he wants him to work on consistency and be better in traffic. NC says KS says that Pettis has no work ethic or love for the game.
Scouting report out of college states work ethic, student of the game and coachability as strengths. NC says he was concerned with Pettis work ethic and dedication from day 1.
NC says Pettis said that he is afraid to return punts and that Trenton Brown was offered a deal in FA by NE....well these actually do fall under pulling out of ones ass
Hope we see more than 2 snaps this weekend

Clearly what they are saying in press conferences/interviews and what they're actually doing is completely different.


2 snaps? "I forgot to put Pettis in the game plan". Lol.

Reminds me when Harbaugh used to say AJ Jenkins would be an outstanding football player for years to come

If we don't get more out of our WRs soon then Welker needs to be fired, perhaps even as soon as the bye. That was a pathetic display on Sunday. If Deebo wasn't a 2nd round pick, he'd be benched, if not outright cut after what he did and you can't say much better about the other WRs. With the way our WRs were playing, only giving Pettis two snaps is really inexcusable and indefensible.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Just admit it, he's a bust. We could've drafted Michael Gallup who's looking like the real deal in Dallas.

He might be, but I'm still not decided yet. He still has time to develop. I'm just going to add that our Medical Staff have been pretty conservative, so I can see Kyle and the Medical staff limiting Pettis' plays to minimize that supposed groin injury. As for Kyle drafting Deebo and Hurt because Pettis has been a disappointment - well I don't buy that yet. Deebo was a draft pick to replace Peirre Garcon. They are very similar in body and pass catching style (so says the draft nerds). As for Hurd, I can see him as a bigger McKinnon. If you look at McKInnon, he's a RB that can play WR. Hurd is a WR that can double as a RB. Hurd is also bigger than McKinnon, so he should be more durable than McKinnon. So I think the drafting of Deebo and Hurd isn't an indication that Kyle is disappointed with Pettis that he wanted to draft his replacement.

As for Pettis himself, I think the pre-season wasn't enough to develop the chemistry needed. Pettis had some good receptions from Mullens last year, and now he's dealing with a brand new QB in Jimmy. I believe Pettis has an unusual running style that takes a QB a while to get used to. It took Mullens one whole regular season game to get up to speed with Pettis, and I would think it would take about one or two regular season games for Jimmy also. Mullens was throwing to Pettis since week 4 through week 7 in practice (after Jimmy was IR'ed) when Mullens took on Oakland as a starter in week 6. It took Mullens and Pettis that raider game to get on the same page - and be productive after that. I think more practice time is what Jimmy and Pettis need to get on the same page, and they just didn't have enough of it during pre-season because of all the other WR's being evaluated during that time.

I think you'll see a breakout game for Pettis in the Bungles game.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
My ears were burning lol. Not so much pulling out of your ass per se, just taking liberties with what has actually been said to align with what you believe is happening.
For instance JG says Pettis is very good, but they are working on getting chemistry together. NC says JG says he doesn't trust Pettis.
KS says Pettis is a sponge and easy to teach, but he wants him to work on consistency and be better in traffic. NC says KS says that Pettis has no work ethic or love for the game.
Scouting report out of college states work ethic, student of the game and coachability as strengths. NC says he was concerned with Pettis work ethic and dedication from day 1.
NC says Pettis said that he is afraid to return punts and that Trenton Brown was offered a deal in FA by NE....well these actually do fall under pulling out of ones ass
Hope we see more than 2 snaps this weekend

I just think NC doesn't like cats.

Having said that, I think those are legitimate concerns. Work ethic, passion, chemistry, learning ability. Those are questions we're all asking. As for me, all of those are still questions for me too. I can see the talent. I can see Pettis becoming an Anthoy Carter or definitely a number 1 tier WR. But the lack of production or chemistry is a bit disappointing, but I have to keep in mind this guy is only a 2nd year player and having to deal with developing a rapport with a brand new QB in a new year, with most likely new route combos, an expanded playbook, and less practice time because of all the high round WR draftees that need to be integrated into the Kyle offense.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:
One could make the dog house argument but I think most of it is he and JG don't have chemistry and clearly are not in sync. We saw it in practice. We saw it in pre season games. One miscommunication in a game and that's a pick-6 going the other way. And I think Kyle badly wants Deebo to be his feature X receiver. This is why Kyle said at the end of pre season, Pettis was still working on carving out a role on this team.

He lost the return job to James and the X to Deebo.

So........2 snaps and not featured in the game plan in week 1.

Not buying that lack of chemistry point of view. Lack of chemistry to the point of not playing seems a stretch. Not all QB and WR teammates have chemistry, they are coached to be on the same page in regards to the playbook. You can't say that JG has chemistry with all other WRs that played on Sunday.

My guess is that they were all more prepared throughout training camp in regards to the playbook and showing up focused everyday. The 49ers have invested a 2nd round pick in Pettis whom was touted as a WR that can play all WR positions and return kicks, compound that with the fact that we were missing 2 WRs to injury tells me that Pettis is in the doghouse for some reason, probably lack of preparation. If I were to tell you pre-training camp that Pettis would have 2 snaps in the game opener you would probably not believe me. He has had more snaps in practice and games than Deebo if you consider 2018 which should contribute to a greater chemistry.

Yup. I totally could buy this stance. I just don't want Hoov thinking I'm pulling crap outta my ass despite the mountains of circumstantial evidence to this point.

My ears were burning lol. Not so much pulling out of your ass per se, just taking liberties with what has actually been said to align with what you believe is happening.
For instance JG says Pettis is very good, but they are working on getting chemistry together. NC says JG says he doesn't trust Pettis.
KS says Pettis is a sponge and easy to teach, but he wants him to work on consistency and be better in traffic. NC says KS says that Pettis has no work ethic or love for the game.
Scouting report out of college states work ethic, student of the game and coachability as strengths. NC says he was concerned with Pettis work ethic and dedication from day 1.
NC says Pettis said that he is afraid to return punts and that Trenton Brown was offered a deal in FA by NE....well these actually do fall under pulling out of ones ass
Hope we see more than 2 snaps this weekend

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
Clearly what they are saying in press conferences/interviews and what they're actually doing is completely different.

2 snaps? "I forgot to put Pettis in the game plan". Lol.

Reminds me when Harbaugh used to say AJ Jenkins would be an outstanding football player for years to come

Exactly, ooops! I forgot put him in the game plan I have been thinking about for weeks maybe even months and then to not notice him on the field for the whole game to which the WRs are struggling says a lot. All of this with the consideration that he was going to be a starter this season. To summarize, the head coach/OC completely forgot about his pre-camp/season project starting WR....not believable.