WR Dante "Do something...anything" Pettis

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

He's also an excellent WR, would rather not risk injury.

Quit being a p***y (not you). Tons of teams use their skilled players as returners...some of the better WR's, RB's and DB's. You can't be afraid to play. Plus we have actual depth now. Should we not play him at WR too because it's a risk? It's football...the team will get hurt walking to the bathroom. Might as well get what you can out of them. LOL

Enough with the false dichotomy, I just said he's a threat at WR and we should keep him there.

If he's our #1 PR, I don't feel the reward outweighs the risk. Initially I wanted him to do both but not anymore.

It's irrelevant what other teams do with their star wrs. We use a fullback, 90% of other teams don't. Does that mean we should stop?

Giving him reps at WR and PR will just increase his risk of injury, that's just a fact. And yes I know, they are football players which comes with a high risk of injury, we know this.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

He's also an excellent WR, would rather not risk injury.

Quit being a p***y (not you). Tons of teams use their skilled players as returners...some of the better WR's, RB's and DB's. You can't be afraid to play. Plus we have actual depth now. Should we not play him at WR too because it's a risk? It's football...the team will get hurt walking to the bathroom. Might as well get what you can out of them. LOL

They tried him at returner last year but he got injured doing that. They immediately nix that idea especially the way receivers we're dropping out of the lineup with injuries last year.

In retrospect it was a stupid decision by Kyle. He needed receivers more than returners. More susceptible to injuries because instead of a safety or LB trying to take your head off when you catch the ball, you have 11 guys gunning at you with full speed to do the same. One guy tackle you high, another low --boom!

Yeah I agree with that last year more due to the fact we instantly lost Goodwin. There goes your ability at X to ease him in in a year he really did need to focus on WR and learning all 3 positions (rookie year).

Not now though.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

He's also an excellent WR, would rather not risk injury.

Quit being a p***y (not you). Tons of teams use their skilled players as returners...some of the better WR's, RB's and DB's. You can't be afraid to play. Plus we have actual depth now. Should we not play him at WR too because it's a risk? It's football...the team will get hurt walking to the bathroom. Might as well get what you can out of them. LOL

Just briefly looking at the top 20 PR last season, only Lockett WR (#7) and Cohen RB (#9) were PRs that were considered to be prominent WR/RB in their teams offense 21-29 had Humphries and Kirk and 30-32 saw Edelman and Hill. So 6 out of 32 teams using primary offensive players as their PR
2017 was pretty much the same minus Edelman, Humphries and Kirk but throw in mcaffrey ...so 4 out of 32. Dion Lewis was at 34 and Landry at like 51 so we can throw them in and still be at 6

Look deeper over the years...John Taylor, Deion Sanders, etc. Returners by themselves can be weapons. Lockett had 900 of their 1K offensive snaps. The game has changed some but teams like us still lose Superbowls to great returners. Pettis has great return ability. Use him. At least give Reed a real shot again. I know Deebo is fielding them. Scary. What if he gets hurt?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Enough with the false dichotomy, I just said he's a threat at WR and we should keep him there.

If he's our #1 PR, I don't feel the reward outweighs the risk. Initially I wanted him to do both but not anymore.

It's irrelevant what other teams do with their star wrs. We use a fullback, 90% of other teams don't. Does that mean we should stop?

Giving him reps at WR and PR will just increase his risk of injury, that's just a fact. And yes I know, they are football players which comes with a high risk of injury, we know this.

Fair enough. Hopefully Trent Taylor can just keep fair catching for us.

Originally posted by thl408:

6 = tons. I had tons of beer last night.

I hope they weren't those 4% 'p***y' beers .

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

He's also an excellent WR, would rather not risk injury.

Quit being a p***y (not you). Tons of teams use their skilled players as returners...some of the better WR's, RB's and DB's. You can't be afraid to play. Plus we have actual depth now. Should we not play him at WR too because it's a risk? It's football...the team will get hurt walking to the bathroom. Might as well get what you can out of them. LOL

Just briefly looking at the top 20 PR last season, only Lockett WR (#7) and Cohen RB (#9) were PRs that were considered to be prominent WR/RB in their teams offense 21-29 had Humphries and Kirk and 30-32 saw Edelman and Hill. So 6 out of 32 teams using primary offensive players as their PR
2017 was pretty much the same minus Edelman, Humphries and Kirk but throw in mcaffrey ...so 4 out of 32. Dion Lewis was at 34 and Landry at like 51 so we can throw them in and still be at 6

Look deeper over the years...John Taylor, Deion Sanders, etc. Returners by themselves can be weapons. Lockett had 900 of their 1K offensive snaps. The game has changed some but teams like us still lose Superbowls to great returners. Pettis has great return ability. Use him. At least give Reed a real shot again. I know Deebo is fielding them. Scary. What if he gets hurt?

I just gave you the last 2 years after you said tons of teams, and now you want to back further? I think using current trends is a better way of getting an accurate gauge, don't you? That aside, you are focused on Very small sample sizes ...and in particular fixated on Lockett. These are outliers when it comes to teams primary offensive skill position players being used as PR's. We could go back 20 years and my guess is the trend would be similar.

There is really no logic to using Pettis as a returner. He is your top receiver right now. No need to risk him when you have guys like Taylor and James to do it. If they get injured returning it, no biggie. If Pettis goes down, you just lost your top receiver.


Patrick Peterson was a badass punt returner for the Cardinals but after getting injured twice doing it, they decided that it made more sense for him to focus on being a #1 CB and avoiding unnecessary risk.


That Pettis can be a returner is a bonus but you draft him because of his ability to get open and make big plays. Receiver is all he should be focused on. The san
Me goes for Samuel. Zero reason to expose these guys to unnecessary risk. They will do more to help this team catching passes from Garoppolo than by returning kicks and punts.

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

He's also an excellent WR, would rather not risk injury.

Quit being a p***y (not you). Tons of teams use their skilled players as returners...some of the better WR's, RB's and DB's. You can't be afraid to play. Plus we have actual depth now. Should we not play him at WR too because it's a risk? It's football...the team will get hurt walking to the bathroom. Might as well get what you can out of them. LOL

I mean it really doesn't matter what you want. The coaching staff will put him whee they see fit.

The return of...

Originally posted by pd24:

This tread is filled with immature garbage basically from 1 poster nobody agrees with. lol

You're not fooling anyone about who you're talking about.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pd24:

This tread is filled with immature garbage basically from 1 poster nobody agrees with. lol

You're not fooling anyone about who you're talking about.

Phoenix??

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

There is really no logic to using Pettis as a returner. He is your top receiver right now. No need to risk him when you have guys like Taylor and James to do it. If they get injured returning it, no biggie. If Pettis goes down, you just lost your top receiver.


Patrick Peterson was a badass punt returner for the Cardinals but after getting injured twice doing it, they decided that it made more sense for him to focus on being a #1 CB and avoiding unnecessary risk.


That Pettis can be a returner is a bonus but you draft him because of his ability to get open and make big plays. Receiver is all he should be focused on. The sane goes for Samuel. Zero reason to expose these guys to unnecessary risk. They will do more to help this team carching passes from Garoppolo than by returning kicks and punts.

Our #1 WR? Let's see him play 16 games first. The flip side is he could possibly help win us a game or two on ST like we're expecting Wishnowsky to do. ST appears to be a focus this year.

Edit: So you're NOT cool with Deebo returning kicks. Got it. Well he has been taking them in practice (one off the face). LOL.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Fair enough. Hopefully Trent Taylor can just keep fair catching for us.

Taylor ranked 10th in the league in punt return average as a rookie. He certainly wasn't a slouch at it.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pd24:

This tread is filled with immature garbage basically from 1 poster nobody agrees with. lol

You're not fooling anyone about who you're talking about.

Phoenix??

Well, I mean, that was my first guess. LOL.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Fair enough. Hopefully Trent Taylor can just keep fair catching for us.

Taylor ranked 10th in the league in punt return average as a rookie. He certainly wasn't a slouch at it.

He's not terrible. Just not the same since the injury and they seemed pretty content fair catching quite a bit last year.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Our #1 WR? Let's see him play 16 games first. The flip side is he could possibly help win us a game or two on ST like we're expecting Wishnowsky to do. ST appears to be a focus this year.

So you're cool with Deebo returning?

Yes I said #1 WR. Was I not clear enough the first time? If the season started tomorrow, Pettis, Deebo and Goodwin are your starters.




I don't think either Pettis or Deebo should be returning. No need to be exposing them to more risk and more hits for what typically turns out to be little gain.




Let Taylor and James handle those duties and let the top guys focus solely on catching passes. If you look through the list of punt returners in the NFL, there isn't a single premium receiver on there with the exception of Lockett who is garbage as a returner but that is Seattle's business.