Mike McGlinchey-OT-Denver Broncos

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Mike really hasn't been a weak spot in pass blocking either....they were never keeping brown who's playing in a contract yr. dude showed up fat as s**t two yrs in a row.

I was pissed over the move but I love it now. I would never call getting a good young tackle a luxury.

Can confirm, I was there, predicted the bad news, saw the outrage in the draft forum, next think I know dude was waiting for me in the parking lot swinging a tire iron and shouting all sorts of expletives which can't be repeated in a polite setting.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mike really hasn't been a weak spot in pass blocking either....they were never keeping brown who's playing in a contract yr. dude showed up fat as s**t two yrs in a row.

I was pissed over the move but I love it now. I would never call getting a good young tackle a luxury.

Can confirm, I was there, predicted the bad news, saw the outrage in the draft forum, next think I know dude was waiting for me in the parking lot swinging a tire iron and shouting all sorts of expletives which can't be repeated in a polite setting.

Still pissed about it. But he's been decent. Not like that #23 with the Packers though

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mike really hasn't been a weak spot in pass blocking either....they were never keeping brown who's playing in a contract yr. dude showed up fat as s**t two yrs in a row.

I was pissed over the move but I love it now. I would never call getting a good young tackle a luxury.

Can confirm, I was there, predicted the bad news, saw the outrage in the draft forum, next think I know dude was waiting for me in the parking lot swinging a tire iron and shouting all sorts of expletives which can't be repeated in a polite setting.

I was also there.


The meltdowns were glorious.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Brown has been an outstanding pass blocker and an atrocious run blocker. The numbers and game film bare that out with outside zone runs to the right averaging half of what they did to the left last year. The hope was that as he lost weight, he would improve his mobility and quickness and thus be able to do better as a run blocker. Instead of losing weight, he gained 30 pounds. At that point its pretty apparent now that they decided that there was no way they were going to commit to him long term. So either this year or next year, it was going to be a major need.

If you're saying that being able to run the full offense and run the ball equally well to the left and to the right was a "luxury", I just can't agree with you. Historically we've seen that when everyone blocks like they are supposed to and they all do their jobs the right way, this scheme can produce monster results on the ground and we are starting to see that this season. Last year the OL was like the island of misfit toys, this year they added a center and a right tackle who are great scheme fits. Its not a shock that the run game looks a lot better all of a sudden. Really all they are lacking is a legit right guard.

Agreed...they also now need a LT and Tomlinson is about as average as it gets (on a good day). I'd love a talented rookie to push him as well (kid has had nobody to challenge him to date).

Originally posted by NCommand:
Agreed...they also now need a LT and Tomlinson is about as average as it gets (on a good day). I'd love a talented rookie to push him as well (kid has had nobody to challenge him to date).

I have no problem with Tomlinson, he's been solid. You can't really afford to have 5 All Pro's on an OL, you're always going to have to make some compromises. Tomlinson hasn't done a bad job by any stretch of the imagination. Its largely all about right guard and finding a developmental tackle to either take over at right tackle or step in for Staley IMO.

I wouldn't completely count out Shon Coleman out of the running in terms of a future right tackle. He's still got some upside to him and had some really great performances last year for Cleveland, along with some downright terrible ones. With some time and coaching, he might turn out to be something useful.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I have no problem with Tomlinson, he's been solid. You can't really afford to have 5 All Pro's on an OL, you're always going to have to make some compromises. Tomlinson hasn't done a bad job by any stretch of the imagination. Its largely all about right guard and finding a developmental tackle to either take over at right tackle or step in for Staley IMO.

I wouldn't completely count out Shon Coleman out of the running in terms of a future right tackle. He's still got some upside to him and had some really great performances last year for Cleveland, along with some downright terrible ones. With some time and coaching, he might turn out to be something useful.

Given how poor we are at PP, and the stats in the OL thread back that up, I'd say our definition of "solid" is probably different. I think we're so used to s**tty OL play here, we think guys like Tomlinson are fine. Coleman, same concept. That's just hoping a guy with moderate talent can be serviceable. I don't mind as much if BeatHard is back there, but not for Garoppolo in 2019 coming back from an ACL. Stop f**king around and get some actual talent on the OL.

Richburg has the talent (but needs more time in this system). McGlinchey has the talent (but naturally, hit/miss in PP). Staley will have the talent through this year (even he's struggled in PP this year). Even if we don't find much more talented players for both G positions, they better get some real depth (at C too).

Originally posted by SF9er05:

But at what expense? so your willing to sacrifice pass protection for a more lucrative run game? what Im saying is that Brown's run blocking wasnt horrific esp when the entire right side paired with subpar center play wasnt good in the run game. So yes it was more of a luxury pick esp when you look at the other glaring needs. Again Im not saying Mike was a bad pick, he is playing well, however that pick could have been used on other areas and perhaps after this season we could have looked at right tackle/left tackle of the future. The move to me signaled that of a team that was full of talent, but as you can see we are in year 2 and still in need of plenty of talent. I believe the Jimmy G excitement has a lot of us thinking or feeling like we have a playoff roster when we need to be adding talent before we start to subtract. By this logic we should have drafted Derwin James and traded Jimmy Ward because he would be a better fit, and upgrade over both Ward and Colbert. You see what Im saying?

Not true though. When you can't run block and teams know it then you can't actually run a full offense. It's not like Mike is a worse pass protector then brown was at run blocking.

When you know Brown isn't gonna be on the team past this season, it's not a luxury pick at all. It's not like teams don't value tackles and SF got the best one that has been coached by one of best OL coaches in football. He's was pro-ready, which is HUGE considering most tackles coming out of college aren't.

How you can think that taking a tackle is a sign of a luxury pick vs taking SS is beyond me. If anything it would be the other way around. Building the OL is where it starts in regards to rebuilding

OT>>>>SS all day

Originally posted by NCommand:

Given how poor we are at PP, and the stats in the OL thread back that up, I'd say our definition of "solid" is probably different. I think we're so used to s**tty OL play here, we think guys like Tomlinson are fine. Coleman, same concept. That's just hoping a guy with moderate talent can be serviceable. I don't mind as much if BeatHard is back there, but not for Garoppolo in 2019 coming back from an ACL. Stop f**king around and get some actual talent on the OL.

Richburg has the talent (but needs more time in this system). McGlinchey has the talent (but naturally, hit/miss in PP). Staley will have the talent through this year (even he's struggled in PP this year). Even if we don't find much more talented players for both G positions, they better get some real depth (at C too).

I think we'll have disagree on how poor the pass protection has been. Looking through game film, two things that jump out at me is the QB simply holding on to the football too long and lapses in communication. Guys not picking up blitzers, picking up the wrong blitzers....etc. A big part of that is familiarity which takes time to develop. Outside of RG, I'm not seeing where guys are repeatedly getting beat 1 on 1 consistently. Its definitely a step up from last year.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mike really hasn't been a weak spot in pass blocking either....they were never keeping brown who's playing in a contract yr. dude showed up fat as s**t two yrs in a row.

I was pissed over the move but I love it now. I would never call getting a good young tackle a luxury.

Can confirm, I was there, predicted the bad news, saw the outrage in the draft forum, next think I know dude was waiting for me in the parking lot swinging a tire iron and shouting all sorts of expletives which can't be repeated in a polite setting.

Guilty as charged, I'm very passionate and tend to use a lot of "colorful" words....I calmed down once they moved Brown. Deep down I knew it was a real possibility especially after Chris Simms brought it up like the day before.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think we'll have disagree on how poor the pass protection has been. Looking through game film, two things that jump out at me is the QB simply holding on to the football too long and lapses in communication. Guys not picking up blitzers, picking up the wrong blitzers....etc. A big part of that is familiarity which takes time to develop. Outside of RG, I'm not seeing where guys are repeatedly getting beat 1 on 1 consistently. Its definitely a step up from last year.

It'll always be a mixture of issues but the issues persist. I see lots of max protect and only 2 receivers out in the routes and JG having to hold the ball. That's not all on the OL but the fact that we have to have more players in to PP is an trade off for Kyle and his scheme. I also see 5 getting beat by 3. That's not good. I'm seeing speedy ER's blowing by both T's. I'm seeing 19 QB hits and 6 sacks and a 50% QB pressure rate (same with last year) through just 3 games. I'm seeing a first and goal from the 3 quickly turn into 3rd and 20. I agree it's certainly better than last year (esp. in the run game) but PP is still s**t. Maybe it will get better.

Ideally, I'd like a dominant OL that allows the same 5 to run the operation. The Raiders spent big on their OL and PFF had a piece on them last year IIRC, that they had the least amount of QB pressures and they did it with just their OL (didn't need extra blockers staying in to help). This year they have only given up 9 QB hits (lowest in the NFL).

Let's just hope the PP is good enough this year that BeatHard can make it through 13 games before getting hurt (like last year).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Mike really hasn't been a weak spot in pass blocking either....they were never keeping brown who's playing in a contract yr. dude showed up fat as s**t two yrs in a row.

I was pissed over the move but I love it now. I would never call getting a good young tackle a luxury.

Can confirm, I was there, predicted the bad news, saw the outrage in the draft forum, next think I know dude was waiting for me in the parking lot swinging a tire iron and shouting all sorts of expletives which can't be repeated in a polite setting.

Guilty as charged, I'm very passionate and tend to use a lot of "colorful" words....I calmed down once they moved Brown. Deep down I knew it was a real possibility especially after Chris Simms brought it up like the day before.

Same here. The second I heard the Chris Simms interview, that's when it really hit me. I thought P was messing with us at first but after that interview, I knew it was very very real. I'm never getting upset about adding talent to the OL so I was cool with it.

I still would have held onto Brown too to make MM "earn it" and for security and to give him a year to work back from surgery and work out at LT. Ya never know? The last two times he was challenged he beat out Anthony Davis and became the LT for Tom Brady. LOL. Not bad. But I certainly understood the scheme-fit issue; just wished we would have used his pick (or another) on OL.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SF9er05:
But at what expense? so your willing to sacrifice pass protection for a more lucrative run game? what Im saying is that Brown's run blocking wasnt horrific esp when the entire right side paired with subpar center play wasnt good in the run game. So yes it was more of a luxury pick esp when you look at the other glaring needs. Again Im not saying Mike was a bad pick, he is playing well, however that pick could have been used on other areas and perhaps after this season we could have looked at right tackle/left tackle of the future. The move to me signaled that of a team that was full of talent, but as you can see we are in year 2 and still in need of plenty of talent. I believe the Jimmy G excitement has a lot of us thinking or feeling like we have a playoff roster when we need to be adding talent before we start to subtract. By this logic we should have drafted Derwin James and traded Jimmy Ward because he would be a better fit, and upgrade over both Ward and Colbert. You see what Im saying?

Not true though. When you can't run block and teams know it then you can't actually run a full offense. It's not like Mike is a worse pass protector then brown was at run blocking.

When you know Brown isn't gonna be on the team past this season, it's not a luxury pick at all. It's not like teams don't value tackles and SF got the best one that has been coached by one of best OL coaches in football. He's was pro-ready, which is HUGE considering most tackles coming out of college aren't.

How you can think that taking a tackle is a sign of a luxury pick vs taking SS is beyond me. If anything it would be the other way around. Building the OL is where it starts in regards to rebuilding

OT>>>>SS all day

My point of emphasis is was Trent Brown that much of a liability to essentially draft a tackle when he was more than serviceable, could you imagine how Brown would look with Richberg who is an upgrade over Kilgore as far as RG was concerned I understand there wasnt one worth taking that high. But the point being is Brown was talented for all intents and purposes we still averaged as a whole 4.1 yds per carry not amazing but not dismal. Of course you draft a tackle vs a ss the comparison was you have a serviceable player how about go after more glaring needs or keep both players for talent and depth. I say if you go McGlinchey you have him challenge Brown for the position. Its about talent, as it appears we have a very talented center, an old stalwart albeit talented Staley and a pro-ready young talented McGlinchey, which isnt bad, however we could have kept Brown and gotten better at another position. By comparison again, we bring in McGlinchey who is an upgrade over Brown in the run game but we roll with Colbert and Tartt with no other competition? or even better we went with Cassius Freakin Marsh and Eli Harold without bringing or drafting any legitimate competition. But yet we trade Brown who is a better player than any one of the aforementioned players with the slight exception for Tartt. We need talent is all Im saying and I dont think we should have been so quick to get rid of Brown again that is nothing against Big Mike.

He has been solid so far.

Originally posted by SF9er05:

My point of emphasis is was Trent Brown that much of a liability to essentially draft a tackle when he was more than serviceable, could you imagine how Brown would look with Richberg who is an upgrade over Kilgore as far as RG was concerned I understand there wasnt one worth taking that high. But the point being is Brown was talented for all intents and purposes we still averaged as a whole 4.1 yds per carry not amazing but not dismal. Of course you draft a tackle vs a ss the comparison was you have a serviceable player how about go after more glaring needs or keep both players for talent and depth. I say if you go McGlinchey you have him challenge Brown for the position. Its about talent, as it appears we have a very talented center, an old stalwart albeit talented Staley and a pro-ready young talented McGlinchey, which isnt bad, however we could have kept Brown and gotten better at another position. By comparison again, we bring in McGlinchey who is an upgrade over Brown in the run game but we roll with Colbert and Tartt with no other competition? or even better we went with Cassius Freakin Marsh and Eli Harold without bringing or drafting any legitimate competition. But yet we trade Brown who is a better player than any one of the aforementioned players with the slight exception for Tartt. We need talent is all Im saying and I dont think we should have been so quick to get rid of Brown again that is nothing against Big Mike.

You're missing the pt Brown was never coming back after this yr. he wants to get paid so have him for a yr and replace him in 2019 (getting nothing in return value wise for him when he leaves in FA)? or trade brown for a 3rd rd pick and get your RT (possible LT of the future) for the next 10 yrs now....makes sense.

Who were they drafting at 9 for a pass rusher (worth a top 10 pick) tartt just got a extension and Colbert was a good young rookie...sure give them som competition but don't spend a top 10 pick on it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Same here. The second I heard the Chris Simms interview, that's when it really hit me. I thought P was messing with us at first but after that interview, I knew it was very very real. I'm never getting upset about adding talent to the OL so I was cool with it.

I still would have held onto Brown too to make MM "earn it" and for security and to give him a year to work back from surgery and work out at LT. Ya never know? The last two times he was challenged he beat out Anthony Davis and became the LT for Tom Brady. LOL. Not bad. But I certainly understood the scheme-fit issue; just wished we would have used his pick (or another) on OL.

He's been very up and down as Brady's LT, clearly doesn't fit in this system here. Letting him or Mike sit the bench for a yr doesn't seem like a smart way to spend a top 10 pick.

Gotta move on brown is gone and I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up somewhere else besides NE next yr. kid wants big bucks and NE isn't all about that