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The most overrated player in NFL history

Originally posted by MarkD:
Jim Brown

Really?
OP... Everyone knows the most dominant player on the field is the official... And those guys had Harris' back. So, there's know way he was overrated.
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Troy Aikman
Dude was an average QB who played on a stacked Cowboys team yet he's in the HOF.
54th in all time passer rating
Montana, Elway, Favre or Marino could have had 6 additional Super Bowl rings had they played on that team
Originally posted by Sourball:
Troy Aikman
Dude was an average QB who played on a stacked Cowboys team yet he's in the HOF.
54th in all time passer rating
Montana, Elway, Favre or Marino could have had 6 additional Super Bowl rings had they played on that team

Someone in the NFL world said that Aikman might have been the best intermediate thrower he's ever seen.

I'd have to rewatch Aikman to have a better idea of how good he was. He definitely did his thing and I would say that he challenged the '94 and '95 49er defenses pretty hard even when they were stacked. He had Irvin and Smith but still had to get them the ball.

Not as good as Steve Young surely, but pretty good. Maybe overrated because of 3 rings with dominant supporting cast, but I'd still say he was better than Russell Wilson.
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by Sourball:
Troy Aikman
Dude was an average QB who played on a stacked Cowboys team yet he's in the HOF.
54th in all time passer rating
Montana, Elway, Favre or Marino could have had 6 additional Super Bowl rings had they played on that team

Someone in the NFL world said that Aikman might have been the best intermediate thrower he's ever seen.

I'd have to rewatch Aikman to have a better idea of how good he was. He definitely did his thing and I would say that he challenged the '94 and '95 49er defenses pretty hard even when they were stacked. He had Irvin and Smith but still had to get them the ball.

Not as good as Steve Young surely, but pretty good. Maybe overrated because of 3 rings with dominant supporting cast, but I'd still say he was better than Russell Wilson.

I'm probably still holding a grudge after 20 + years
Someone in the NFL world said that Aikman might have been the best intermediate thrower he's ever seen. Wasn't Joe Buck was it?
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Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
I feel kind of bad saying this, because he seems like a really nice guy, but the most overrated player in NFL history, bar none, is:

Franco Harris.

I don't know how many people here have ever really watched old Steelers games (why would you?), but I binge watched them on Youtube several months ago.

Let me just say this: Franco Harris is not a Top 500 running back in NFL history. Not in terms of performance on the field, he wasn't. I am not even kidding: Derek Loville was a better running back than Franco Harris.

You think I'm being hyperbolic? I'm not.

Let me put it this way: Every single person on this forum could tackle Franco Harris when he played. Every single able-bodied person on planet earth could tackle Franco Harris. That is not an exaggeration.

You see, here's how a Franco Harris carry went: Bradshaw hands it off to Franco Harris. He hits the designed hole. The very first guy to touch him was the guy who tackled him. As soon as he was so much as clipped by a nickel or dime back, he went down. He got what was there and nothing more.

Newspapers at the time referred to it as, "unlike Jim Brown, he goes out of bounds." No, he wasn't going out of bounds. He was just going down to the very first guy who got him every single time.

The late Dave Duerson once described hitting Harris as, "he was soft. Like a sponge."

Now maybe you're going to try to object, because, "but but but but, he gained a lot of rushing yards! And rings! He got 4 rings! He must have done something well to keep starting, like...vision! Yeah, vision!"

Yeah, no. Hitting a designed hole is not "vision." Vision is hitting a cutback lane. It's seeing the big picture and making moves accordingly.

Harris was a big robot. See designed hole, go to designed hole...touched, robot shut down.

Harris was the worst running back on the Steelers every year he played for them. The best running back the Steelers had in the 70s was Sidney Thornton. He actually had some decent power. Rocky Bleier was also basically a hack, but even he was better than Harris, and occasionally would fight for some extra yardage/break a tackle.

Was there anything Harris did well besides do what the coaches asked of him as far as hitting the designed hole? Well, for a guy his size, he had decent straight line speed. But I'm talking about for a guy his size...in the 1970s. That's why he was drafted - he was a 230 pound guy who ran in the 4.6-4.7 range. He wasn't the feature back at Penn State...Lydell Mitchell was.

"But if he's so bad, how could he gain so many yards? Are you saying the Steelers' offensive line was the GOAT line?"

Here's something you might not be aware of - and if you're ever trash talking with some Steelers fans who suck off their 70s teams, be sure to bring it up: The Steelers' offensive linemen were all juicing. They were roid freaks. It was an open secret that was exposed by Steve Courson years later.

Their offensive linemen dominated the off-season NFL weight lifting competitions. Mike Webster was the "strongest man in the NFL."

So in terms of effectiveness, they were certainly way up there. Why wouldn't they be? They had a huge physical edge.

It's funny...if you were to poll the average fan and ask them who was overrated from the 70s Steelers, they would say Terry Bradshaw...but he has been called overrated so much that he's actually now underrated. Bradshaw was basically the equal to Elway: Mobility, strong arm, could make all the throws...played in some bad offensive systems that made his numbers look worse.

My thoughts on some of their others:

Lambert: Lives up to the hype for the most part. Funny enough, fans were saying he was overrated and Ham was underrated. I don't see it. Ham after 1974 or so didn't do much for me. Lambert was everywhere. Their scheme had he and Ham getting deep pass drops, and he was on basically everything sideline-to-sideline or straight ahead. Never seemed to miss a tackle.

Greene: Great interior pass rusher, especially in his peak years. Not exceptional vs. the run at the point. Not as "mean" as they say, unless they mean he'll punch Broncos' offensive linemen in the gut and not get ejected. Then yeah, he was mean in that way.

Greenwood: Good pass rusher.

Ham: More impressive in 1974 and prior. More of a role player later on. Pass to the flat and he'd be on it, fast. Huge roles in coverage in their scheme.

Blount: He's lucky he played in the era he did. Not a great actual cover guy. Squatted on routes against primitive passing attacks and collected the INTs. Good run support player, though.

Donnie Shell: Don't get the hype.

Stallworth: Surprised me with his RAC ability. Could break tackles after the catch. Good on the leaping grab as well. Primitive routes.

Swann: Tremendous leaping ability. Pretty special hands, considering nobody wore gloves then. Slow as molasses. I doubt he could crack 4.75. Yeah, he caught deep balls like basically every other receiver of that era, but he did it because the corners of the time were almost entirely 6'0"+ plodders. Teams of that era used almost exclusively bigger corners because of the different rules (the "Mel Blount rule" was instituted in 1977), thinking the bigger corners could maul the receivers they faced. Ugly, primitive routes. Also good after the catch. Watching he and Stallworth, you realize how much we overrate our own receivers' RAC ability. RAC was expected of a WR before pussies like Marvin Harrison and Torry Holt decided the catch was the end of the story because they didn't want to injure their vaginas.

I think 1974 was their best defense, which was Lambert's rookie year. I don't think he ever played better than that, despite not getting the Pro Bowl/all pro honors that year (he did win DROY though).

lol Harris was a big fast RB for that era. Won Rookie of the year. Only played 14 game seasons like his first 6 years and he had 1200+ all purpose yards in 5 of those. 9 pro bowls in a row to start his career. lol Derek Loville bwahahaha

He didn't need to run people over or fight for yards. His running style prob allowed him to play and extra few year in the league.

lol

First John Taylor now this. Man your posts are entertaining me. Keep up the good work.
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Originally posted by Sourball:
Troy Aikman
Dude was an average QB who played on a stacked Cowboys team yet he's in the HOF.
54th in all time passer rating
Montana, Elway, Favre or Marino could have had 6 additional Super Bowl rings had they played on that team

I hate the cowgirls as much as the next guy but Aikman was the real deal. While Young was amazing Durning the regular season he had the propensity to melt down in the playoffs where Aikman typically had his best games of the season.
Shaun alexander went down when u looked at him too

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Originally posted by Sourball:
Troy Aikman
Dude was an average QB who played on a stacked Cowboys team yet he's in the HOF.
54th in all time passer rating
Montana, Elway, Favre or Marino could have had 6 additional Super Bowl rings had they played on that team
Saw the thread title and came to post Aikman. I can only speak from the 90s and on. Aikan was on great teams and rode Emmitt and that JJ defense to SB rings. He's not a bad player, but first ballot HoF? No way, overrated.
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Sourball:
Troy Aikman
Dude was an average QB who played on a stacked Cowboys team yet he's in the HOF.
54th in all time passer rating
Montana, Elway, Favre or Marino could have had 6 additional Super Bowl rings had they played on that team
Saw the thread title and came to post Aikman. I can only speak from the 90s and on. Aikan was on great teams and rode Emmitt and that JJ defense to SB rings. He's not a bad player, but first ballot HoF? No way, overrated.

Most TDs Aikman threw in a season was 23 the only time he had more than 20 in a season. His yards per pass were never over 8.

Steve Young had 20+ tds 5 times and was over 8 ypp 8 times.

Aikman was a check down king. If Alex Smith won a few super bowls they'd be the same QB.
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Aikman 12 seasons
comp % 61.5 - yards 32,942 - ypp 7.0 - td 165 - int 141

Alex Smith 12 seasons
comp % 62.4 - yards 31,888 - ypp 6.9 - td 183 - int 96

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Michael Irvin.
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