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Pat Mahomes and the Kansas City Swifties Thread

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Mahomes is 27 with two MVP trophies and two Super Bowl Trophies, he's also lost a SB. Has any player ever done this in his first 5-6 years?

Remember he didn't even start his rookie season.

The question is at his age, can he actually still get better?

good post

Montana won 2 and 2 MVPs he didn't start first two years
Brady won 3 first 4 years (of starting)

so Mahomes in all time good country here

my belief is there is only so good you can play the position. Montana played it as well as you can, same with a lot of guys, like P Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc. Lot of FQBs today like Allen, Herbert, Burrow. The trick with Mahomes is he has a HOF coach, HOF TE, started with a league wrecking WR, great D players you name it. Not to detract from his greatness, but the all time greats tend to be great players in great situations is my opinion. As long as Reid is calling plays, overseeing roster with Mahomes healthy they are the team to beat, period.

I think you are spot on with the situation a QB lands in.

What do you think Reid would look like with our roster?

That's a great question. Two of the best play callers / designers in football. KS more run oriented. I don't think we would be so run heavy either, both with volume of runs and composition of our offensive line. I think Lance would fit what Reid is looking to do. Reid has long prized arm strength, going back to working with Favre. Shanny always seemed to prize a quick unload time from what I could tell. I had to look back to see why we didn't hire Reid, as he has Bay Area and BYU roots going back to Steve Young. We were coming off the Super Bowl season and at the height of the Harbaugh years, so we weren't in the market. If Reid is available say around 2014 or 2015 instead of 2013, he's probably at the top of our list.

The crazy thing is Reid is actually connected to the Bill Walsh (West Coast Offense) coaching tree via Mike Holmegren. Mike Shanahan also took some of those principles and mixed it with his zone running scheme so I think Shanahan has some of that as well with his love of the quick release and timing routes.

The thing is, I think Reid has evolved with the spread offense philosophy. Taking Mcnabb as far as he took him made me a believer but I was never thinking of getting rid of Harbaugh back then. However if we were going to get rid of Harbaugh, why not replace him with a branch from the Bill Walsh tree?

I consider Kyle Shanahan a part of the Bill Walsh tree via his father even though Mike and Bill never overlapped during their time here with us. I just look at how Mike ran the west-coast offense here under Seifert.
MAHOMEY got sloppy




that hangover is going to be something fierce.
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
MAHOMEY got sloppy




that hangover is going to be something fierce.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
MAHOMEY got sloppy




that hangover is going to be something fierce.


😂 😂 😂

classic!
Chiefs will have the opener I would do Bears at Chiefs
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's difficult to say that. In an era where you could not hit or touch the QB in any way Montana wins more. 6? 7? Who knows? Don't hit high, don't hit low, don't hit in the middle too hard, don't land on the guy, don't scrape his helmet with your fingernail with a lite glancing blow. Montana didn't benefit from that ridiculous level of protection. Neither did Brady the first 10 years of his 20+ career. Both Brady and Montana win more under today's rules. Mahomes benefits from ridiculous levels of QB protection and the NFL protects him the most of all QB's no doubt.

This. Having the confidence to stand back there and let it rip knowing you have protection from QB-saving league rules is HUGE. How many questionable RTP calls during the season these days?...one per game if not more.

Under these rules Montana wins 8. Brady wins 11. So we will see if Mahomes can get to that. That's the bar.

lol but but but you just talked about the discrepancies between different eras. You're hugely contradicting yourself, as the different era argument goes both ways, not simply the way you feel it should.

The bars you are making are completely imaginary due to your anti-Mahomes campaign you are on.

Bottom line is he just about the youngest QB I've seen that I can already put in Canton.

Hate him all you wish but that counts for something.
[ Edited by random49er on Feb 18, 2023 at 5:12 PM ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't think he will win every year from now until 30. He will have tough competition from Burrow, Allen, Herbert. It's a war over there in the AFC at QB. But this is his most dangerous time. KC did lose a few times. A lot is made of just losing to Brady and Burrow.

Since they're all on different teams and not ours, just curious why do you love these guys so much but hate Mahomes?

Yeah before Damar Hamlin that was true. That derailed their season. Plus losing a very good pass rusher. Prior to those 2 things that was the case. They were the favorite. Look at the date of my post.

Hate him? Never said that. I just don't think he is some invincible super man that will never lose that you guys portray him to be. He can and did lose in the playoffs. He won't win every year. They have a lot of competition in the AFC at QB. Kelce will get older. The team will get raided in FA. I doubt they win 10 straight.
[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Feb 18, 2023 at 6:19 PM ]
How many Super Bowl trophies do you think Mahomes will end his career with? Do you think he gets close to Brady? He's already been to 3 SB's in 6 years with two wins.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
How many Super Bowl trophies do you think Mahomes will end his career with? Do you think he gets close to Brady? He's already been to 3 SB's in 6 years with two wins.

They were pretty much gifted this one..

Hamlin giving them the default playoff number one seed.. Roughing the passer to give them the game winning field goal .Refs passivethen aggressive penalty calling in the super bowl. Etc.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Yeah before Damar Hamlin that was true. That derailed their season. Plus losing a very good pass rusher. Prior to those 2 things that was the case. They were the favorite. Look at the date of my post.

Hate him? Never said that. I just don't think he is some invincible super man that will never lose that you guys portray him to be. He can and did lose in the playoffs. He won't win every year. They have a lot of competition in the AFC at QB. Kelce will get older. The team will get raided in FA. I doubt they win 10 straight.

Allen was not great last year. Even Bills fans will tell you that.
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
How many Super Bowl trophies do you think Mahomes will end his career with? Do you think he gets close to Brady? He's already been to 3 SB's in 6 years with two wins.

They were pretty much gifted this one..

Hamlin giving them the default playoff number one seed.. Roughing the passer to give them the game winning field goal .Refs passivethen aggressive penalty calling in the super bowl. Etc.

That reminds me of the tuck rule game for Brady, the NFL gone NFL.

Do you think the NFL will use the same strategy to get Mohomes 7-8 rings?
Unfortunately it will tough for any team to beat them because of refs. Absolute BS calls in both SBs deciding the game (bs holding last SB and multiple no call holding calls in the game against us), Also a BS roughing the passer in the game against Cinny (same thing happened to Jimmy in the SB in the 4th quarter but of course no call, instead the ref just laughed in Jimmy's face).

Hopefully he suffers a very serious injury because nothing else is going to stop the NFL from propping up their golden boy
Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Unfortunately it will tough for any team to beat them because of refs. Absolute BS calls in both SBs deciding the game (bs holding last SB and multiple no call holding calls in the game against us), Also a BS roughing the passer in the game against Cinny (same thing happened to Jimmy in the SB in the 4th quarter but of course no call, instead the ref just laughed in Jimmy's face).

Hopefully he suffers a very serious injury because nothing else is going to stop the NFL from propping up their golden boy

They already lost a Super Bowl to Brady's Bucs.

They can be beat.

But I hear you, hard to beat a team that is favored by the refs. Reminds me of when the Ravens beat us too.
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