Pat Mahomes and the Kansas City Swifties Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
I like how people think that modern day QBs, like Pat, who's 6'4 230, would be more injury prone in the 80s going up LBs/DEs that most were smaller than him.

How do you people even rationalize these things ????

dude barely got touched and was writhing in dramatic pain.

This idea that human beings have evolved since the 80s to be bigger, stronger, faster.. uh evolution doesn't work quite that fast yo

The ideal body types for each position has changed since the 80s .

Talk to Bill B about the 80s. Giants had Lawrence Taylor, Marshall, Reasons, Banks, Pepper Johnson. These guys were all 6'3 and up and 240 and up. So think Fred Warner and go slightly bigger. Lawrence Taylor hit Joe Theismann so hard that he was an inch or two shorter after the hit. What are we even talking about here? Do we not know about the Bears of 85 and the Fridge. Dude was 350 at times. I hear this all the time that a decade back everyone was slower, weaker, smaller. Not true folks.

In the 1920s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-0, 211 pounds.

In the 1930s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 220 pounds.

In the 1940s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 221 pounds.

In the 1950s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-2, 234 pounds.

In the 1960s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 251 pounds.

In the 1970s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 255 pounds.

In the 1980s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 272 pounds.

In the 1990s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 300 pounds.

In the 2000s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 313 pounds.

In 2011, the average offensive lineman is 6-foot-5, 310 pounds.

We are talking defenders lol.

Pretty simple , look up the weight of DL linemen on any team and compare them to todays teams.

niners in 1980 had starting DTs in 260s and the 2 DEs were 240s and 250s

Kinlaw is 319 and Armstead is 290, Givens is 285 .

find me one team in 1980 with a similar size at DT

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
I like how people think that modern day QBs, like Pat, who's 6'4 230, would be more injury prone in the 80s going up LBs/DEs that most were smaller than him.

How do you people even rationalize these things 🤣

dude barely got touched and was writhing in dramatic pain.

This idea that human beings have evolved since the 80s to be bigger, stronger, faster.. uh evolution doesn't work quite that fast yo

If anything, they got weaker...and SAWFT. Put down the soy latte and vegan platter, Gire.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
I like how people think that modern day QBs, like Pat, who's 6'4 230, would be more injury prone in the 80s going up LBs/DEs that most were smaller than him.

How do you people even rationalize these things ????

dude barely got touched and was writhing in dramatic pain.

This idea that human beings have evolved since the 80s to be bigger, stronger, faster.. uh evolution doesn't work quite that fast yo

The ideal body types for each position has changed since the 80s .

Talk to Bill B about the 80s. Giants had Lawrence Taylor, Marshall, Reasons, Banks, Pepper Johnson. These guys were all 6'3 and up and 240 and up. So think Fred Warner and go slightly bigger. Lawrence Taylor hit Joe Theismann so hard that he was an inch or two shorter after the hit. What are we even talking about here? Do we not know about the Bears of 85 and the Fridge. Dude was 350 at times. I hear this all the time that a decade back everyone was slower, weaker, smaller. Not true folks.

In the 1920s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-0, 211 pounds.

In the 1930s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 220 pounds.

In the 1940s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 221 pounds.

In the 1950s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-2, 234 pounds.

In the 1960s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 251 pounds.

In the 1970s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 255 pounds.

In the 1980s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 272 pounds.

In the 1990s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 300 pounds.

In the 2000s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 313 pounds.

In 2011, the average offensive lineman is 6-foot-5, 310 pounds.

We are talking defenders lol.

Pretty simple , look up the weight of DL linemen on any team and compare them to todays teams.

niners in 1980 had starting DTs in 260s and the 2 DEs were 240s and 250s

Kinlaw is 319 and Armstead is 290, Givens is 285 .

find me one team in 1980 with a similar size at DT

85 Bears.. done. Perry listed 335 lbs and he was way bigger than his list. College he was 390 lol.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
I like how people think that modern day QBs, like Pat, who's 6'4 230, would be more injury prone in the 80s going up LBs/DEs that most were smaller than him.

How do you people even rationalize these things ????

dude barely got touched and was writhing in dramatic pain.

This idea that human beings have evolved since the 80s to be bigger, stronger, faster.. uh evolution doesn't work quite that fast yo

The ideal body types for each position has changed since the 80s .

Talk to Bill B about the 80s. Giants had Lawrence Taylor, Marshall, Reasons, Banks, Pepper Johnson. These guys were all 6'3 and up and 240 and up. So think Fred Warner and go slightly bigger. Lawrence Taylor hit Joe Theismann so hard that he was an inch or two shorter after the hit. What are we even talking about here? Do we not know about the Bears of 85 and the Fridge. Dude was 350 at times. I hear this all the time that a decade back everyone was slower, weaker, smaller. Not true folks.

In the 1920s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-0, 211 pounds.

In the 1930s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 220 pounds.

In the 1940s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 221 pounds.

In the 1950s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-2, 234 pounds.

In the 1960s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 251 pounds.

In the 1970s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 255 pounds.

In the 1980s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 272 pounds.

In the 1990s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 300 pounds.

In the 2000s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 313 pounds.

In 2011, the average offensive lineman is 6-foot-5, 310 pounds.

We are talking defenders lol.

Pretty simple , look up the weight of DL linemen on any team and compare them to todays teams.

niners in 1980 had starting DTs in 260s and the 2 DEs were 240s and 250s

Kinlaw is 319 and Armstead is 290, Givens is 285 .

find me one team in 1980 with a similar size at DT

85 Bears.. done. Perry listed 335 lbs and he was way bigger than his list. College he was 390 lol.

Come on man. The Fridge was clearly an aberration. The other 3 men on his defensive line were all under 270.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
I like how people think that modern day QBs, like Pat, who's 6'4 230, would be more injury prone in the 80s going up LBs/DEs that most were smaller than him.

How do you people even rationalize these things ????

dude barely got touched and was writhing in dramatic pain.

This idea that human beings have evolved since the 80s to be bigger, stronger, faster.. uh evolution doesn't work quite that fast yo

The ideal body types for each position has changed since the 80s .

Talk to Bill B about the 80s. Giants had Lawrence Taylor, Marshall, Reasons, Banks, Pepper Johnson. These guys were all 6'3 and up and 240 and up. So think Fred Warner and go slightly bigger. Lawrence Taylor hit Joe Theismann so hard that he was an inch or two shorter after the hit. What are we even talking about here? Do we not know about the Bears of 85 and the Fridge. Dude was 350 at times. I hear this all the time that a decade back everyone was slower, weaker, smaller. Not true folks.

In the 1920s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-0, 211 pounds.

In the 1930s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 220 pounds.

In the 1940s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 221 pounds.

In the 1950s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-2, 234 pounds.

In the 1960s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 251 pounds.

In the 1970s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 255 pounds.

In the 1980s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 272 pounds.

In the 1990s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 300 pounds.

In the 2000s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 313 pounds.

In 2011, the average offensive lineman is 6-foot-5, 310 pounds.

We are talking defenders lol.

Pretty simple , look up the weight of DL linemen on any team and compare them to todays teams.

niners in 1980 had starting DTs in 260s and the 2 DEs were 240s and 250s

Kinlaw is 319 and Armstead is 290, Givens is 285 .

find me one team in 1980 with a similar size at DT

85 Bears.. done. Perry listed 335 lbs and he was way bigger than his list. College he was 390 lol.

Even with that group with Perry at 335 (Dan Hampton was 270 and the other DT was 264) , the average weight of their DTs was 289.

the 2022 Niners DTs average is 298.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
I like how people think that modern day QBs, like Pat, who's 6'4 230, would be more injury prone in the 80s going up LBs/DEs that most were smaller than him.

How do you people even rationalize these things ????

dude barely got touched and was writhing in dramatic pain.

This idea that human beings have evolved since the 80s to be bigger, stronger, faster.. uh evolution doesn't work quite that fast yo

The ideal body types for each position has changed since the 80s .

Talk to Bill B about the 80s. Giants had Lawrence Taylor, Marshall, Reasons, Banks, Pepper Johnson. These guys were all 6'3 and up and 240 and up. So think Fred Warner and go slightly bigger. Lawrence Taylor hit Joe Theismann so hard that he was an inch or two shorter after the hit. What are we even talking about here? Do we not know about the Bears of 85 and the Fridge. Dude was 350 at times. I hear this all the time that a decade back everyone was slower, weaker, smaller. Not true folks.

In the 1920s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-0, 211 pounds.

In the 1930s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 220 pounds.

In the 1940s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 221 pounds.

In the 1950s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-2, 234 pounds.

In the 1960s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 251 pounds.

In the 1970s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 255 pounds.

In the 1980s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 272 pounds.

In the 1990s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 300 pounds.

In the 2000s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 313 pounds.

In 2011, the average offensive lineman is 6-foot-5, 310 pounds.

We are talking defenders lol.

Pretty simple , look up the weight of DL linemen on any team and compare them to todays teams.

niners in 1980 had starting DTs in 260s and the 2 DEs were 240s and 250s

Kinlaw is 319 and Armstead is 290, Givens is 285 .

find me one team in 1980 with a similar size at DT

85 Bears.. done. Perry listed 335 lbs and he was way bigger than his list. College he was 390 lol.

Even with that group with Perry at 335 (Dan Hampton was 270 and the other DT was 264) , the average weight of their DTs was 289.

the 2022 Niners DTs average is 298.

That's pretty close and as mentioned I think Perry was north of 350 they just listed him as less to not embarrass the guy. At a certain point like Becton or Kinlaw you get so big your knees / ankles don't work. You can't even play the game or see the field.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
I like how people think that modern day QBs, like Pat, who's 6'4 230, would be more injury prone in the 80s going up LBs/DEs that most were smaller than him.

How do you people even rationalize these things ????

dude barely got touched and was writhing in dramatic pain.

This idea that human beings have evolved since the 80s to be bigger, stronger, faster.. uh evolution doesn't work quite that fast yo

The ideal body types for each position has changed since the 80s .

Talk to Bill B about the 80s. Giants had Lawrence Taylor, Marshall, Reasons, Banks, Pepper Johnson. These guys were all 6'3 and up and 240 and up. So think Fred Warner and go slightly bigger. Lawrence Taylor hit Joe Theismann so hard that he was an inch or two shorter after the hit. What are we even talking about here? Do we not know about the Bears of 85 and the Fridge. Dude was 350 at times. I hear this all the time that a decade back everyone was slower, weaker, smaller. Not true folks.

In the 1920s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-0, 211 pounds.

In the 1930s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 220 pounds.

In the 1940s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 221 pounds.

In the 1950s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-2, 234 pounds.

In the 1960s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 251 pounds.

In the 1970s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 255 pounds.

In the 1980s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 272 pounds.

In the 1990s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 300 pounds.

In the 2000s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 313 pounds.

In 2011, the average offensive lineman is 6-foot-5, 310 pounds.

We are talking defenders lol.

Pretty simple , look up the weight of DL linemen on any team and compare them to todays teams.

niners in 1980 had starting DTs in 260s and the 2 DEs were 240s and 250s

Kinlaw is 319 and Armstead is 290, Givens is 285 .

find me one team in 1980 with a similar size at DT

85 Bears.. done. Perry listed 335 lbs and he was way bigger than his list. College he was 390 lol.

Even with that group with Perry at 335 (Dan Hampton was 270 and the other DT was 264) , the average weight of their DTs was 289.

the 2022 Niners DTs average is 298.

That's pretty close and as mentioned I think Perry was north of 350 they just listed him as less to not embarrass the guy. At a certain point like Becton or Kinlaw you get so big your knees / ankles don't work. You can't even play the game or see the field.

The Bears were an outlier on the bell curve , and still smaller than Niners who are bellow the current average of 308lbs for the NFL

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
I like how people think that modern day QBs, like Pat, who's 6'4 230, would be more injury prone in the 80s going up LBs/DEs that most were smaller than him.

How do you people even rationalize these things ????

dude barely got touched and was writhing in dramatic pain.

This idea that human beings have evolved since the 80s to be bigger, stronger, faster.. uh evolution doesn't work quite that fast yo

The ideal body types for each position has changed since the 80s .

Talk to Bill B about the 80s. Giants had Lawrence Taylor, Marshall, Reasons, Banks, Pepper Johnson. These guys were all 6'3 and up and 240 and up. So think Fred Warner and go slightly bigger. Lawrence Taylor hit Joe Theismann so hard that he was an inch or two shorter after the hit. What are we even talking about here? Do we not know about the Bears of 85 and the Fridge. Dude was 350 at times. I hear this all the time that a decade back everyone was slower, weaker, smaller. Not true folks.

In the 1920s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-0, 211 pounds.

In the 1930s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 220 pounds.

In the 1940s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 221 pounds.

In the 1950s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-2, 234 pounds.

In the 1960s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 251 pounds.

In the 1970s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 255 pounds.

In the 1980s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 272 pounds.

In the 1990s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 300 pounds.

In the 2000s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 313 pounds.

In 2011, the average offensive lineman is 6-foot-5, 310 pounds.

We are talking defenders lol.

Pretty simple , look up the weight of DL linemen on any team and compare them to todays teams.

niners in 1980 had starting DTs in 260s and the 2 DEs were 240s and 250s

Kinlaw is 319 and Armstead is 290, Givens is 285 .

find me one team in 1980 with a similar size at DT

85 Bears.. done. Perry listed 335 lbs and he was way bigger than his list. College he was 390 lol.

Even with that group with Perry at 335 (Dan Hampton was 270 and the other DT was 264) , the average weight of their DTs was 289.

the 2022 Niners DTs average is 298.

That's pretty close and as mentioned I think Perry was north of 350 they just listed him as less to not embarrass the guy. At a certain point like Becton or Kinlaw you get so big your knees / ankles don't work. You can't even play the game or see the field.

The Bears were an outlier on the bell curve , and still smaller than Niners who are bellow the current average of 308lbs for the NFL

Fair enough, good stats and knowledge

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
I like how people think that modern day QBs, like Pat, who's 6'4 230, would be more injury prone in the 80s going up LBs/DEs that most were smaller than him.

How do you people even rationalize these things ????

dude barely got touched and was writhing in dramatic pain.

This idea that human beings have evolved since the 80s to be bigger, stronger, faster.. uh evolution doesn't work quite that fast yo

The ideal body types for each position has changed since the 80s .

Talk to Bill B about the 80s. Giants had Lawrence Taylor, Marshall, Reasons, Banks, Pepper Johnson. These guys were all 6'3 and up and 240 and up. So think Fred Warner and go slightly bigger. Lawrence Taylor hit Joe Theismann so hard that he was an inch or two shorter after the hit. What are we even talking about here? Do we not know about the Bears of 85 and the Fridge. Dude was 350 at times. I hear this all the time that a decade back everyone was slower, weaker, smaller. Not true folks.

In the 1920s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-0, 211 pounds.

In the 1930s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 220 pounds.

In the 1940s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-1, 221 pounds.

In the 1950s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-2, 234 pounds.

In the 1960s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 251 pounds.

In the 1970s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-3, 255 pounds.

In the 1980s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 272 pounds.

In the 1990s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 300 pounds.

In the 2000s, the average offensive lineman was 6-foot-4, 313 pounds.

In 2011, the average offensive lineman is 6-foot-5, 310 pounds.

We are talking defenders lol.

Pretty simple , look up the weight of DL linemen on any team and compare them to todays teams.

niners in 1980 had starting DTs in 260s and the 2 DEs were 240s and 250s

Kinlaw is 319 and Armstead is 290, Givens is 285 .

find me one team in 1980 with a similar size at DT

85 Bears.. done. Perry listed 335 lbs and he was way bigger than his list. College he was 390 lol.

Even with that group with Perry at 335 (Dan Hampton was 270 and the other DT was 264) , the average weight of their DTs was 289.

the 2022 Niners DTs average is 298.

That's pretty close and as mentioned I think Perry was north of 350 they just listed him as less to not embarrass the guy. At a certain point like Becton or Kinlaw you get so big your knees / ankles don't work. You can't even play the game or see the field.

The Bears were an outlier on the bell curve , and still smaller than Niners who are bellow the current average of 308lbs for the NFL

Fair enough, good stats and knowledge

This guy and KC proves that Humble and Karma Gods don't exist.

What could've been if Kyle back then had just been a little open-minded by listening to Lynch and covering his bases.

Originally posted by ninerFate:
What could've been if Kyle back then had just been a little open-minded by listening to Lynch and covering his bases.

Was Lynch more for him and Kyle was against drafting him?

Originally posted by Heroism:
Only to boomer 49er homers. Brady > Montana; soon: Mahomes > Montana

I am not a boomer or a homer & he is the GOAT. Don't care what anyone says lol:)

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Only to boomer 49er homers. Brady > Montana; soon: Mahomes > Montana

I am not a boomer or a homer & he is the GOAT. Don't care what anyone says lol:)

By that rationale

NFL Flag football 2043 Flavor of the week QB> all

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
He game managed the Super Bowl.. no huge splash plays, but no negative plays either. He's tremendous but pump the brakes before creating the Mahomes King of GOATS thread.

I do recall a SB Brady vs Mahomes and Pat got his butt whupped up and down the field. He needs as many rings as the 49ers have as a franchise to catch Brady. Good luck.

Doesn't need to catch Brady in rings. Unless you thought Jordan or think Lebron needs to catch Russell. Or Gretzky needed to catch Richard.

Why is it that Montana only having 4 makes him inferior to Brady 7, but every other QB with far less can threaten as maybe being better than Montana (Marino 0, Mahomes 2, Elway 2)....

This argument needs to be nuanced.....championships are a factor but not the only factor (but also, a real factor when trying to pump up those who barely won anything).

Like was there ever one person that said Brady was better than Joe until he won his 5th?

Hell, people thought Peyton was better until Brady pulled away with the rings.