Alex Smith and the Washington Redskins

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Debryune:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
dumb, lol

Hey, I'm still salty the niners did Alex dirty, and put Kaep in.

Salty too, but I'd never wish him to slight the 9ers. Besides, we all know he never would.

Who did Alex dirty?

The guy who Alex used to caddy for.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
This is exactly why we get into so many arguments and discussion in this thread. Alex fans attribute things like this to his play, when in reality it has nothing to do with him.

The Redskins had a 7 minute advantage in time of possession because the Giants went 2 for 14 on third down. The Redskins themselves were not converting a ton of third downs and staying on the field. They were 6 for 15 on third down (which is below the NFL average this season for conversions). The defense is the reason for the advantage, regardless if people want to make it about Alex.

It's the style of offense AND the defense. They have a ball control offense, they chew up the clock. Its not only about Alex, its about the running game and the defense.

QB is the most important position in sports. They get most of the blame/credit. Going 5-2 with this team should get the QB some props. Put Beathard on this team, they aren't .500.

Remember before the year, you guys said if they make the playoffs he should get credit. Things changed?

Harbs coaching college

Kap out of the league

Alex in first place w/ a mediocre roster

Who would have predicted this back in 2012? Damn, you just never know what is ahead of us. Confucious was right

Originally posted by sacniner:

Harbs coaching college

Kap out of the league

Alex in first place w/ a mediocre roster

Who would have predicted this back in 2012? Damn, you just never know what is ahead of us. Confucious was right

Who could of predicted JH would go to UM if our organization got dumb? Anyone with a brain. They were his #1 choice when he picked us.

Kap on the other hand no one could see.

Originally posted by sacniner:
Harbs coaching college

Kap out of the league

Alex in first place w/ a mediocre roster

Who would have predicted this back in 2012? Damn, you just never know what is ahead of us. Confucious was right

Sometimes the nice guys do win.

Originally posted by Jakemall:
Sometimes the nice guys do win.

Kap is winning also, he's a nice guy. Not on the field, but he's still getting paid. That is another surprising story. Who would have guessed that his activism can turn into millions. Good stuff

I am surprised that Washington is 5-2. They have a formula that is working

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
This is exactly why we get into so many arguments and discussion in this thread. Alex fans attribute things like this to his play, when in reality it has nothing to do with him.

The Redskins had a 7 minute advantage in time of possession because the Giants went 2 for 14 on third down. The Redskins themselves were not converting a ton of third downs and staying on the field. They were 6 for 15 on third down (which is below the NFL average this season for conversions). The defense is the reason for the advantage, regardless if people want to make it about Alex.

It's the style of offense AND the defense. They have a ball control offense, they chew up the clock. Its not only about Alex, its about the running game and the defense.

QB is the most important position in sports. They get most of the blame/credit. Going 5-2 with this team should get the QB some props. Put Beathard on this team, they aren't .500.

Remember before the year, you guys said if they make the playoffs we should get credit. Things changed?

First of all, comparing CJ Beathard to a 13 year pro is a ridiculous comparison, so lets just leave that part alone.

Explain to me the style of offense. I would love to get educated on the topic, because it appears I am missing something. Alex fans often bring up style, yet the numbers dont back up the love. The Redskins are 23rd in the NFL in third down conversions. They are tied for 24th in the NFL in first downs in general. They are tied for 26th in the NFL in passing first downs. Yet, they are in the top half of the league in rushing first downs and penalty first downs. This doesnt add up if Alex is getting the credit.

But to his fans, Alex plays winning football and puts his defense in good position. If this is the case, why is it not backed up statistically? Not throwing interceptions is the only thing that Alex excels at statistically which backs up the idea that he helps the defense.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
Sometimes the nice guys do win.

Kap is winning also, he's a nice guy. Not on the field, but he's still getting paid. That is another surprising story. Who would have guessed that his activism can turn into millions. Good stuff

I am surprised that Washington is 5-2. They have a formula that is working

I never blamed what happened to Alex on Kap. I have no issues with Kap other than his play.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
First of all, comparing CJ Beathard to a 13 year pro is a ridiculous comparison, so lets just leave that part alone.

Explain to me the style of offense. I would love to get educated on the topic, because it appears I am missing something. Alex fans often bring up style, yet the numbers dont back up the love. The Redskins are 23rd in the NFL in third down conversions. They are tied for 24th in the NFL in first downs. They are tied for 26th in the NFL in passing first downs. Yet, they are in the top half of the league in rushing first downs and penalty first downs.

But to his fans, Alex plays winning football and puts his defense in good position. If this is the case, why is it not backed up statistically? Not throwing interceptions is the only thing that Alex excels at statistically which backs up the idea that he helps the defense.

I'm making a point about the QB being vital to a team, not comparing CJ and Smith. You always disregard that when it comes to Smith. You imply that basically any QB can take Smith's role and the team would succeed. Simply not true. Alex is a major part of the reason this team is having a great year, and great record thus far

Their style of offense is conservative, run first, low turn overs. I'm not an X's and O's expert, so I won't get into the exact schemes, but they have a ball control offense. And it's been working for them so far. For Alex, that means low turnovers, calling the right call at LOS, etc. Not making the big time, exciting throws throughout the game. Its a boring style, but it has been effective.

To your last point, "Alex plays winning football," that isn't a made up fallacy from Alex fans. In terms of winning football, don't over complicate things. Take a look at standings>NFC East. Right there you'll see 5-2, FIRST PLACE. That is winning football. Sorry if that bothers you. No stats matter when it comes to that, besides record. If his record is really good, for several consecutive years that equals winning football.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by Debryune:
Wouldn't it be a strange year if quietly the skins made the playoffs, beat the Rams and the Saints, then Won the superbowl with Alex?

If they make the playoffs, that alone is huge. Team isn't that good.

Alex's low TOs, ball control, game manager, boring stuff helps the defense out.

Dude is shutting everyone up

Exactly.

Washington had a 7 minute advantage in time of possession. Even though the defense is proving to be quite good, allowing them to have plenty of rest time will only make them better. As a team sees how protecting the football can help a team win despite not having great talent, they all begin to play that way...and win.

Here is an interesting stat line from yesterday:

Smith completed 20 of 32 passes for 178 yards and one TD with no INTs...and won.

Drew Brees completed 18 of 23 for only 120 yards. One TD. One INT. Won. (Brees only attempted one pass over 20 yards.)

This is exactly why we get into so many arguments and discussion in this thread. Alex fans attribute things like this to his play, when in reality it has nothing to do with him.

The Redskins had a 7 minute advantage in time of possession because the Giants went 2 for 14 on third down. The Redskins themselves were not converting a ton of third downs and staying on the field. They were 6 for 15 on third down (which is below the NFL average this season for conversions). The defense is the reason for the advantage, regardless if people want to make it about Alex.

Nonsense.

How the QB plays has a ton to do with the outcome. Manning threw two picks and Smith had zero.

Further, going back to training camp and pre-season, several Redskin players commented along the lines that Smith was showing them how a real professional football player approached the game.

It is a package deal that includes the defense and the quarterback. Last year at this time Washington was 4/4. Cousins had thrown 4 INTs and taken 16 sacks. Smith has had 3 fewer sacks and only 2 INTs.

It is what it is.

Keep it on Washington and Smith, please.

Originally posted by sacniner:
I'm making a point about the QB being vital to a team, not comparing CJ and Smith. You always disregard that when it comes to Smith. You imply that basically any QB can take Smith's role and the team would succeed. Simply not true. Alex is a major part of the reason this team is having a great year, and great record thus far

Their style of offense is conservative, run first, low turn overs. I'm not an X's and O's expert, so I won't get into the exact schemes, but they have a ball control offense. And it's been working for them so far. For Alex, that means low turnovers, calling the right call at LOS, etc. Not making the big time, exciting throws throughout the game. Its a boring style, but it has been effective.

To your last point, "Alex plays winning football," that isn't a made up fallacy from Alex fans. In terms of winning football, don't over complicate things. Take a look at standings>NFC East. Right there you'll see 5-2, FIRST PLACE. That is winning football. Sorry if that bothers you. No stats matter when it comes to that, besides record. If his record is really good, for several consecutive years that equals winning football.

It doesnt bother me. At all. I have bet on the Redskins the last 2 weeks, so it makes me happy!

I said the same thing when Alex was our QB that I say now. Winning percentage is not a QB stat. Its a team stat. You say dont overcomplicate things. So does that mean I should ignore the fact that Alex is at the bottom of almost every statistical category for QBs this season because his team is winning? Theres no overcomplicating of anything. Alex is not playing good football this year. He isnt. But because his team is winning, you and his fans are sticking your fingers in your ears and not listening to anything else.

Originally posted by dj43:
Nonsense.

How the QB plays has a ton to do with the outcome. Manning threw two picks and Smith had zero.

Further, going back to training camp and pre-season, several Redskin players commented along the lines that Smith was showing them how a real professional football player approached the game.

It is a package deal that includes the defense and the quarterback. Last year at this time Washington was 4/4. Cousins had thrown 4 INTs and taken 16 sacks. Smith has had 3 fewer sacks and only 2 INTs.

It is what it is.

Alex is very good at not throwing interceptions. That fact alone means he doesnt put his defense in bad spots like an Eli Manning does. But that fact alone doesnt mean he is playing good football. Nor is it enough to warrant the praise you are giving him for the Redskins being 5-2.

NFL Teams. Winning despite Smiff since 2012.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Alex is very good at not throwing interceptions. That fact alone means he doesnt put his defense in bad spots like an Eli Manning does. But that fact alone doesnt mean he is playing good football. Nor is it enough to warrant the praise you are giving him for the Redskins being 5-2.

According to you Alex Smith isn't playing good football, Alex Smith SUCKS!

How is Kirk Cousins? Couple of weeks ago, you laughed at me when I called Kirk Cousins garbage.

Turn on the TV last night for fun to watch the NO vs MIN game and few minutes later in the 3rd quarter Cousins throws that nice pick 6 while Vikings was already behind. I turned off the TV immediately, knew it was over nothing worth watching here LOL!!!

You sure have an eye for talent.

I bet you were thinking and hoping, like all of the Alex Smith haters, Alex Smith and the Redskins would be 3-4, 2-5, 1-6, or better yet 0-7 right now after 7 games before this season has unfolded. Too bad for the Alex Smith haters alike it didn't go according to your plan Furthermore Alex Smith has done this without a WR on the team who has eclipsed 1k yard a season in the NFL and a 33 yr old RB...