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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Wouldn't his lawsuit against the nfl prevent him from signing with anyone?

Not really sure how that works
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Wouldn't his lawsuit against the nfl prevent him from signing with anyone?

Not really sure how that works

There is potentially an issue of mootness, but I'm not sure exactly how it would play out in court. Hard to say the NFL is colluding against you if you get signed to an NFL team (even if the other 31 teams potentially did).
Originally posted by ltrain:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Wouldn't his lawsuit against the nfl prevent him from signing with anyone?

Not really sure how that works

There is potentially an issue of mootness, but I'm not sure exactly how it would play out in court. Hard to say the NFL is colluding against you if you get signed to an NFL team (even if the other 31 teams potentially did).

The case doesn't hinge on all 32 teams conspiring together and never breaking from the cartel.

If the NFL communicated to one or any teams in the league that Reid not being signed was in the league's best interest, that's the case right there, regardless of if anyone breaks from the cartel or not.

If two teams (or more) made an agreement to not sign Reid (therefore creating a cartel in violation of the CBA) that's the case right there, regardless of what another team does, or even ultimately what one of those team's do.

Example: Team A and Team B both know they could be helped by Reid's services, but make an if-i-don't-sign-him-you-don't-sign-him under the table deal. This oddly enough makes Reid MORE valuable to each team, as the opportunity cost to sign Reid is artificially deflated due to the cartel- by eliminating competition you can now have him for less. This is why cartels usually break up, because an enterprising member realizes they can improve their own position by undercutting the cartel. The point though is that even if Reid signs the damage has already been done and collusion has already done its damage to him.

People in cartels are still punished for participating in cartels even if they got screwed over by a cartel member who defected on them, or if a non-cartel member swoops in and takes advantage of the illegally constructed market.
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Originally posted by ltrain:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Wouldn't his lawsuit against the nfl prevent him from signing with anyone?

Not really sure how that works

There is potentially an issue of mootness, but I'm not sure exactly how it would play out in court. Hard to say the NFL is colluding against you if you get signed to an NFL team (even if the other 31 teams potentially did).

The case doesn't hinge on all 32 teams conspiring together and never breaking from the cartel.

If the NFL communicated to one or any teams in the league that Reid not being signed was in the league's best interest, that's the case right there, regardless of if anyone breaks from the cartel or not.

If two teams (or more) made an agreement to not sign Reid (therefore creating a cartel in violation of the CBA) that's the case right there, regardless of what another team does, or even ultimately what one of those team's do.

Example: Team A and Team B both know they could be helped by Reid's services, but make an if-i-don't-sign-him-you-don't-sign-him under the table deal. This oddly enough makes Reid MORE valuable to each team, as the opportunity cost to sign Reid is artificially deflated due to the cartel- by eliminating competition you can now have him for less. This is why cartels usually break up, because an enterprising member realizes they can improve their own position by undercutting the cartel. The point though is that even if Reid signs the damage has already been done and collusion has already done its damage to him.

People in cartels are still punished for participating in cartels even if they got screwed over by a cartel member who defected on them, or if a non-cartel member swoops in and takes advantage of the illegally constructed market.

And alternatively, he was just over priced for the market. We will see.
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Originally posted by ltrain:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Wouldn't his lawsuit against the nfl prevent him from signing with anyone?

Not really sure how that works

There is potentially an issue of mootness, but I'm not sure exactly how it would play out in court. Hard to say the NFL is colluding against you if you get signed to an NFL team (even if the other 31 teams potentially did).

The case doesn't hinge on all 32 teams conspiring together and never breaking from the cartel.

If the NFL communicated to one or any teams in the league that Reid not being signed was in the league's best interest, that's the case right there, regardless of if anyone breaks from the cartel or not.

If two teams (or more) made an agreement to not sign Reid (therefore creating a cartel in violation of the CBA) that's the case right there, regardless of what another team does, or even ultimately what one of those team's do.

Example: Team A and Team B both know they could be helped by Reid's services, but make an if-i-don't-sign-him-you-don't-sign-him under the table deal. This oddly enough makes Reid MORE valuable to each team, as the opportunity cost to sign Reid is artificially deflated due to the cartel- by eliminating competition you can now have him for less. This is why cartels usually break up, because an enterprising member realizes they can improve their own position by undercutting the cartel. The point though is that even if Reid signs the damage has already been done and collusion has already done its damage to him.

People in cartels are still punished for participating in cartels even if they got screwed over by a cartel member who defected on them, or if a non-cartel member swoops in and takes advantage of the illegally constructed market.
while it doesn't hinge on all 32 teams, it does hinge on the seahawks, who are the ones we are mentioning with Reid right now.
Eric Reid and Jimmie Ward(if Thomas leaves), say hello to your new team. RIP(Retire In Peace) Kam,, wish u were a Niner.
The Seahawks have already signed and drafted a few safeties they like, so this is in no way any kind of automatic signing.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Mad respect for Kam. Loved the way he played the game.

Definitely one of my favs 😕
He put fear into the opposition just like #42 did for the 49ers years ago. In an era where all the rules favor the offense Seattle had a nasty shutdown defense. It's impossible for anyone to hit like Kam did and not pay the price. I hope he stays healthy and goes on to the next phase.
Originally posted by mojave45:
And alternatively, he was just over priced for the market. We will see.

FWIW we know that's not the case as it has been widely reported that he'd have been signed by the Bengals save for his unwillingness to guarantee he would never kneel again.

To be clear, that the Bengals asked him to sign a no-kneeling pact is perfectly legal, and they're within their rights to do that.

It only becomes an issue if they did so in consultation with the NFL or with another team, at which point that is the case, regardless of what eventually happens with Reid.
[ Edited by PopeyeJonesing on Jul 3, 2018 at 8:03 AM ]

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
while it doesn't hinge on all 32 teams, it does hinge on the seahawks, who are the ones we are mentioning with Reid right now.

No, the point is his case doesn't hinge on him signing with the Seahawks or not.

If his case is found to have merit, him signing with the Seahawks might reasonably affect the monetary damages awarded to him, but it has no effect on the merits of the case or not
He's out forever right?
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Originally posted by mojave45:
And alternatively, he was just over priced for the market. We will see.

FWIW we know that's not the case as it has been widely reported that he'd have been signed by the Bengals save for his unwillingness to guarantee he would never kneel again.

To be clear, that the Bengals asked him to sign a no-kneeling pact is perfectly legal, and they're within their rights to do that.

It only becomes an issue if they did so in consultation with the NFL or with another team, at which point that is the case, regardless of what eventually happens with Reid.

Lmfao, we don't know what money anyone was talking or if he would have been signed. We know he didn't get past the interview, that's all. The rest is conjecture. Which a lot of people like to have come down on the side of Reid or Kap.

Safeties have definitely had problems getting signed this year. I will agree that his failure to stand was one hang up with him finding a team, but it isn't a certainty that was the only reason.
Big loss for them just in terms of leadership for that team.
Originally posted by RishikeshA:
He put fear into the opposition just like #42 did for the 49ers years ago. In an era where all the rules favor the offense Seattle had a nasty shutdown defense. It's impossible for anyone to hit like Kam did and not pay the price. I hope he stays healthy and goes on to the next phase.

Ditto
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