Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

In case you're wondering how things are going at Washington Commanders camp, Carson Wentz just got picked off on consecutive plays by Kendall Fuller and Kamren Curl. Minutes later Taylor Heinecke also threw an interception.

— Stephen Whyno (@SWhyno) August 1, 2022

It's only TC practice, but...

but…wentz is a seasoned vet unlike trey

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Cleveland has a playoff ready roster. If Watson is out for the year, there's no way they are rolling with Jacoby Brissett as their starter, especially when Houston owns their draft picks for the next three years. If might not be Garoppolo but they are making a move for someone if Goodell drops the hammer.

Agree, definitely. But as an aside , if Watson comes out of this appeal by NFL, and he ends up with no time lost…that would be a sad miscarriage of justice.

I think the NFL did the right thing, but they had to weigh that against possibly letting Watson completely off the hook with the appeal. If they didn't appeal, then they look soft of domestic violence/ sexual harassment. Tough call.

Great points Doc. This article says the NFL is likely to win. If so, there might be a chance that the Browns and the 49ers do a Jimmy trade. We shall see.

The problem is, the Player's Association would have no leg to stand on. They agreed to the CBA which allows the league to have full control. And while Judge Robinson bashed the league for how they write and apply rules, she also said they're a private organization and can do as they please.
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2022/08/03/nfl-wages-war-appealing-deshaun-watson-suspension/

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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Agree, definitely. But as an aside , if Watson comes out of this appeal by NFL, and he ends up with no time lost…that would be a sad miscarriage of justice.

I think the NFL did the right thing, but they had to weigh that against possibly letting Watson completely off the hook with the appeal. If they didn't appeal, then they look soft of domestic violence/ sexual harassment. Tough call.

There's no chance of that. The initial six week suspension stands no matter what.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
There's no chance of that. The initial six week suspension stands no matter what.

Ah, so. In that case the appeal was a no brainer. Thx PHX. I heard that (erroneously) on ESPN radio, either Rome or Herd.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
There's no chance of that. The initial six week suspension stands no matter what.

Ah, so. In that case the appeal was a no brainer. Thx PHX. I heard that (erroneously) on ESPN radio, either Rome or Herd.

The League appealed, but it goes up to Goodell, what to you think the chances are with him? My guess is a minimum one season suspension, maybe even indefinite.

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
There's no chance of that. The initial six week suspension stands no matter what.

Ah, so. In that case the appeal was a no brainer. Thx PHX. I heard that (erroneously) on ESPN radio, either Rome or Herd.

The League appealed, but it goes up to Goodell, what to you think the chances are with him? My guess is a minimum one season suspension, maybe even indefinite.

I get so hacked off when when of these "star" athletes does something stupid (or illegal) and brings the whole of the NFL down with him. Well…used to be that way until the Ray Rice thing + a couple others. When the league firmed up, it was a good …and necessary move. Initially i wanted to see Watson off the field a yr, maybe two. Then neither of both Houston grand juries indicted him, and despite the 24 suits filed, i reassessed. I guess, a yr would be about right, but it is really hard to come up with a number. If NFL had said 2 yrs, i would have been floored. The # of cases brought is enough alone. But no indictment? Hmmm….no question Watson crossed the line long ago. We just don't know where the line was …and there is the possibility that some of those cases may have been just money alone, with no case.

it is hard to watch a gifted athlete play, knowing that he just got off with assaulting 24 women. 9ers never would have signed a guy with that kind of baggage…or 24 bags to be exact. CLEVE, however? Sure, why not. Sometimes you have to feel sorry for the folks in CLEVE.

Here's one for you Mojave. If Watson gets a yr , and CLEVE offers job to JG, would Jimmy take that job?

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
There's no chance of that. The initial six week suspension stands no matter what.

Ah, so. In that case the appeal was a no brainer. Thx PHX. I heard that (erroneously) on ESPN radio, either Rome or Herd.

The League appealed, but it goes up to Goodell, what to you think the chances are with him? My guess is a minimum one season suspension, maybe even indefinite.

None of this makes any sense to me. The league appealed, and Goodell had the choice to hear the appeal himself, or appoint another person to hear it. If the league appealed, wouldn't that actually be Goodell? Seems he is the one who wants stiffer punishment. How is he separate from the league? Seems like a dog and pony show.

Originally posted by mojave45:
The League appealed, but it goes up to Goodell, what to you think the chances are with him? My guess is a minimum one season suspension, maybe even indefinite.

There is zero chance of an indefinite suspension.

If you read the judge's opinion, she clearly would have provided a longer suspension, but past league actions and the rules currently in place do not allow her to do that. She's not entitled to over step what the law (in this case, precedent / policy) provides. Goodell can do whatever he wants. It's a private company, not even truly bound by the CBA or NFLPA. Would there be appeals, lawsuits, repercussions for certain unilateral actions by Goodell? Well, of course.

In this case, he may decide to increase the punishment, but it's all for show. The NFL isn't going to make more money / increase it's viewership based on his decision. The NFL also isn't going to lose anything if they keep the punishment as is. I imagine, if Goodell wants a harsher punishment, he will call for something around 8-12 games, with a much stiffer monetary penalty.

But as I said, this is all for show. People talking about "justice" are f**king clueless. They (more than likely) have never spent a moment in a court room, in a professional capacity. Nor do they have any idea what justice would actually entail, for the victims in this case. A longer suspension or a larger monetary penalty won't bring about closure or justice for these alleged victims (I say alleged because I have not seen all the facts. I believe there are multiple victims in this case, but belief and fact are not one in the same--though some fans here like to argue speculation and belief are reality / facts ).

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I get so hacked off when when of these "star" athletes does something stupid (or illegal) and brings the whole of the NFL down with him. Well…used to be that way until the Ray Rice thing + a couple others. When the league firmed up, it was a good …and necessary move. Initially i wanted to see Watson off the field a yr, maybe two. Then neither of both Houston grand juries indicted him, and despite the 24 suits filed, i reassessed. I guess, a yr would be about right, but it is really hard to come up with a number. If NFL had said 2 yrs, i would have been floored. The # of cases brought is enough alone. But no indictment? Hmmm….no question Watson crossed the line long ago. We just don't know where the line was …and there is the possibility that some of those cases may have been just money alone, with no case.

it is hard to watch a gifted athlete play, knowing that he just got off with assaulting 24 women. 9ers never would have signed a guy with that kind of baggage…or 24 bags to be exact. CLEVE, however? Sure, why not. Sometimes you have to feel sorry for the folks in CLEVE.

Here's one for you Mojave. If Watson gets a yr , and CLEVE offers job to JG, would Jimmy take that job?

Yessir, Doc. JG would take any opportunity to compete. That's all he asked from KS and JL when TL was drafted. Will I get a chance to compete?

Would Browns get JG.. I don't think so. They could have done that long ago.. anticipating a Watson suspension.. they chose Brissett the day after Watson was acquired.

Originally posted by Polkadots:
There is zero chance of an indefinite suspension.

If you read the judge's opinion, she clearly would have provided a longer suspension, but past league actions and the rules currently in place do not allow her to do that. She's not entitled to over step what the law (in this case, precedent / policy) provides. Goodell can do whatever he wants. It's a private company, not even truly bound by the CBA or NFLPA. Would there be appeals, lawsuits, repercussions for certain unilateral actions by Goodell? Well, of course.

In this case, he may decide to increase the punishment, but it's all for show. The NFL isn't going to make more money / increase it's viewership based on his decision. The NFL also isn't going to lose anything if they keep the punishment as is. I imagine, if Goodell wants a harsher punishment, he will call for something around 8-12 games, with a much stiffer monetary penalty.

But as I said, this is all for show. People talking about "justice" are f**king clueless. They (more than likely) have never spent a moment in a court room, in a professional capacity. Nor do they have any idea what justice would actually entail, for the victims in this case. A longer suspension or a larger monetary penalty won't bring about closure or justice for these alleged victims (I say alleged because I have not seen all the facts. I believe there are multiple victims in this case, but belief and fact are not one in the same--though some fans here like to argue speculation and belief are reality / facts ).

If the nfl increases the punishment it will be solely due to projected losses with Watson on the field. Having an accused sexual assaulter on the field may be bad for business 🤷

I think they'll suspend him for the season. 12 months to let this cool off may not be a bad idea.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

There's no chance of that. The initial six week suspension stands no matter what.

Ah, so. In that case the appeal was a no brainer. Thx PHX. I heard that (erroneously) on ESPN radio, either Rome or Herd.

The League appealed, but it goes up to Goodell, what to you think the chances are with him? My guess is a minimum one season suspension, maybe even indefinite.

I get so hacked off when when of these "star" athletes does something stupid (or illegal) and brings the whole of the NFL down with him. Well…used to be that way until the Ray Rice thing + a couple others. When the league firmed up, it was a good …and necessary move. Initially i wanted to see Watson off the field a yr, maybe two. Then neither of both Houston grand juries indicted him, and despite the 24 suits filed, i reassessed. I guess, a yr would be about right, but it is really hard to come up with a number. If NFL had said 2 yrs, i would have been floored. The # of cases brought is enough alone. But no indictment? Hmmm….no question Watson crossed the line long ago. We just don't know where the line was …and there is the possibility that some of those cases may have been just money alone, with no case.

it is hard to watch a gifted athlete play, knowing that he just got off with assaulting 24 women. 9ers never would have signed a guy with that kind of baggage…or 24 bags to be exact. CLEVE, however? Sure, why not. Sometimes you have to feel sorry for the folks in CLEVE.

Here's one for you Mojave. If Watson gets a yr , and CLEVE offers job to JG, would Jimmy take that job?

Jimmy has seen his market. He would be an idiot to turn anything down.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
If the nfl increases the punishment it will be solely due to projected losses with Watson on the field. Having an accused sexual assaulter on the field may be bad for business 🤷

I think they'll suspend him for the season. 12 months to let this cool off may not be a bad idea.

Look, I get where you are coming from. But, just ask yourself this. In this very thread you have posters / mods talking about how mad they are. How it's not justice. Yet not a single one of these people will stop watching the NFL. The NFL is a business. It operates based on money (as you said). If these posters actually gave a damn, they would take their money elsewhere. But they aren't / won't.

At least I will come out and say I really do not care what Watson did. If the law failed to find him guilty, who am I to pass judgment on the man? As I said before, I completely believe he did what he is accused of. But belief is not fact.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
If the nfl increases the punishment it will be solely due to projected losses with Watson on the field. Having an accused sexual assaulter on the field may be bad for business 🤷

I think they'll suspend him for the season. 12 months to let this cool off may not be a bad idea.

Look, I get where you are coming from. But, just ask yourself this. In this very thread you have posters / mods talking about how mad they are. How it's not justice. Yet not a single one of these people will stop watching the NFL. The NFL is a business. It operates based on money (as you said). If these posters actually gave a damn, they would take their money elsewhere. But they aren't / won't.

At least I will come out and say I really do not care what Watson did. If the law failed to find him guilty, who am I to pass judgment on the man? As I said before, I completely believe he did what he is accused of. But belief is not fact.

To be fair, I don't think a football forum is the right place to sample for measuring at-risk viewership.

I really don't see Jimmy going to the Steelers. At all. All QBs struggle in camp at times, it's nothing noteworthy.

Cleveland is the most logical spot for a trade given Watson's status, Brissett's ability, and the team's expectations. For the 2023 draft, Cleveland has a 2nd, 3rd, two 4ths, two 5ths, a 6th and a 7th. If Baker was worth a conditional 4th/5th due to eating salary, Jimmy should be worth a 3rd or 4th (since his contract will be completely redone).

If released, Seattle makes the most sense.

Other considerations:
Bears: Peterman and Siemian are garbage. Plus, Jimmy's a hometown boy.
Detroit: Blough and Boyle are garbage. Goff has no future there, so Jimmy could play his way into a long term job.

I dont think the Giants, Jets, or Dolphins make sense given their current backups (Taylor, Flacco/White, Bridgewater).

Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
I really don't see Jimmy going to the Steelers. At all. All QBs struggle in camp at times, it's nothing noteworthy.

Cleveland is the most logical spot for a trade given Watson's status, Brissett's ability, and the team's expectations. For the 2023 draft, Cleveland has a 2nd, 3rd, two 4ths, two 5ths, a 6th and a 7th. If Baker was worth a conditional 4th/5th due to eating salary, Jimmy should be worth a 3rd or 4th (since his contract will be completely redone).

If released, Seattle makes the most sense.

Other considerations:
Bears: Peterman and Siemian are garbage. Plus, Jimmy's a hometown boy.
Detroit: Blough and Boyle are garbage. Goff has no future there, so Jimmy could play his way into a long term job.

I dont think the Giants, Jets, or Dolphins make sense given their current backups (Taylor, Flacco/White, Bridgewater).

You make good points. On Goff.. Detroit has an out after this year. If he balls hard he has a future there. I think he is a bit underrated. He only threw 8 INTs last year with his top target a rookie and they were chasing the game every week. That's pretty good. Now they have Jameson Williams, year 2 St. Brown, DJ Chark, along with Hockenson, Swift, bookend LT.. it's a pretty good squad. The backups may not be good in Detroit, but I don't think JG would beat out Goff. He's a former #1 overall with a lot of experience in that system by now, compared to JG.