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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
If this issue with Stafford's elbow is worse than the Rams are currently letting on, maybe we can trade him there?


That seems like the best spot for him if Stafford's tendonitis requires surgery. It's a similar offense, so it shouldn't be too hard for him to acclimate. He could turn the Rams into a borderline playoff contender if he stays healthy.

McVay and Shanahan have a good relationship, they should be able to work out a trade.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
That seems like the best spot for him if Stafford's tendonitis requires surgery. It's a similar offense, so it shouldn't be too hard for him to acclimate. He could turn the Rams into a borderline playoff contender if he stays healthy.

McVay and Shanahan have a good relationship, they should be able to work out a trade.
  • mayo49
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Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
If this issue with Stafford's elbow is worse than the Rams are currently letting on, maybe we can trade him there?


That seems like the best spot for him if Stafford's tendonitis requires surgery. It's a similar offense, so it shouldn't be too hard for him to acclimate. He could turn the Rams into a borderline playoff contender if he stays healthy.

McVay and Shanahan have a good relationship, they should be able to work out a trade.

Yeah, but do you trade him to the top team in the NFC West?
So what's the deal with Stafford? A minor issue or will it effect his season?
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
If this issue with Stafford's elbow is worse than the Rams are currently letting on, maybe we can trade him there?


That seems like the best spot for him if Stafford's tendonitis requires surgery. It's a similar offense, so it shouldn't be too hard for him to acclimate. He could turn the Rams into a borderline playoff contender if he stays healthy.

McVay and Shanahan have a good relationship, they should be able to work out a trade.

Yeah, but do you trade him to the top team in the NFC West?

No, but I'd trade him from the top team in the NFC West.
  • mayo49
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Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
If this issue with Stafford's elbow is worse than the Rams are currently letting on, maybe we can trade him there?


That seems like the best spot for him if Stafford's tendonitis requires surgery. It's a similar offense, so it shouldn't be too hard for him to acclimate. He could turn the Rams into a borderline playoff contender if he stays healthy.

McVay and Shanahan have a good relationship, they should be able to work out a trade.

Yeah, but do you trade him to the top team in the NFC West?

No, but I'd trade him from the top team in the NFC West.

Originally posted by Scooper1:
Originally posted by Polkadots:
There is zero chance of an indefinite suspension.

If you read the judge's opinion, she clearly would have provided a longer suspension, but past league actions and the rules currently in place do not allow her to do that. She's not entitled to over step what the law (in this case, precedent / policy) provides. Goodell can do whatever he wants. It's a private company, not even truly bound by the CBA or NFLPA. Would there be appeals, lawsuits, repercussions for certain unilateral actions by Goodell? Well, of course.

In this case, he may decide to increase the punishment, but it's all for show. The NFL isn't going to make more money / increase it's viewership based on his decision. The NFL also isn't going to lose anything if they keep the punishment as is. I imagine, if Goodell wants a harsher punishment, he will call for something around 8-12 games, with a much stiffer monetary penalty.

But as I said, this is all for show. People talking about "justice" are f**king clueless. They (more than likely) have never spent a moment in a court room, in a professional capacity. Nor do they have any idea what justice would actually entail, for the victims in this case. A longer suspension or a larger monetary penalty won't bring about closure or justice for these alleged victims (I say alleged because I have not seen all the facts. I believe there are multiple victims in this case, but belief and fact are not one in the same--though some fans here like to argue speculation and belief are reality / facts ).

How is it all for show?? The browns and Watson camp purposefully cooked the books on his contract expecting him to be suspended for a year: the nfl wants to take money out of Watson and the browns pocket for doing so. There were claims the other owners were not happy at all with fully guaranteeing watsons contract. They already said they want more games and a fine which was not levied. Also, judge Robinson said this is an UNPRECEDENTED case so how do you go based off precedent in that situation. There was predatory and egregious sexual actions all stated in the brief. Big Ben and seek each had exactly 1 count of sexual misconduct against them and got 6 games each. Watson had 26 so he should get the same penalty? Hell the way you are talking why suspend him at all.

A year is a very reasonable penalty for what he put the league through which is what this penalty is about. It is not about the law. He's cast a shadow on the league for a year and a half with this b******t and it will go on the rest of his career. He should've taken the 12 games the nfl offered said thank you I'll see you week 13. the browns are about to get punished for cooking the books. This is their best chance of a deep playoff run in forever and it's about to be ripped away.

It's all for show because the league has one goal in mind for EVERYTHING they do,and that is $$$$$, by mitigating monetary losses/bad public perception and maximizing profit.

The league always has the upper hand or "an out", just look at the kangaroo court system they have in place. Goodell can rule on the case himself or appoint someone else, whichever "the shield" and it's legal and PR team decide is the best route to take to act like they really care about all of these incidents that come up and minimize monetary fall out.
Originally posted by Scooper1:
How is it all for show?? The browns and Watson camp purposefully cooked the books on his contract expecting him to be suspended for a year: the nfl wants to take money out of Watson and the browns pocket for doing so. There were claims the other owners were not happy at all with fully guaranteeing watsons contract. They already said they want more games and a fine which was not levied. Also, judge Robinson said this is an UNPRECEDENTED case so how do you go based off precedent in that situation. There was predatory and egregious sexual actions all stated in the brief. Big Ben and seek each had exactly 1 count of sexual misconduct against them and got 6 games each. Watson had 26 so he should get the same penalty? Hell the way you are talking why suspend him at all.

A year is a very reasonable penalty for what he put the league through which is what this penalty is about. It is not about the law. He's cast a shadow on the league for a year and a half with this b******t and it will go on the rest of his career. He should've taken the 12 games the nfl offered said thank you I'll see you week 13. the browns are about to get punished for cooking the books. This is their best chance of a deep playoff run in forever and it's about to be ripped away.

The conduct is considered unprecedented by the NFL, however the basis for the judge's decision is not.

"...if this recommended sentence is unprecedented (as characterized by Mr. Watson and the NFLPA), that is because his conduct is unprecedented."

"It is undisputed that Mr. Watson's conduct does not fall into the category of violent conduct that would require the minimum 6-game suspension. It likewise is undisputed that prior cases involving non-violent sexual assault have resulted in discipline far less severe than what the NFL proposes here, with the most severe penalty being a 3-game suspension for a player who had been previously warned about his conduct."

"I am bound "by standards of fairness and consistency of treatment among players similarly situated." The NFL argues that consistency is not possible, because there are no similarly-situated players. By ignoring past decisions because none involve "similar" conduct, however, the NFL is not just equating violent conduct with non-violent conduct, but has elevated the importance of the latter without any substantial evidence to support its position."

"It is inherently unfair to identify conduct as prohibited only after the conduct has been committed, just as it is inherently unjust to change the penalties for such conduct after the fact."

So again, while the NFL contends Watson's situation is unprecendented, the rationale the judge used in coming to her decision is based on past NFL actions. Actions that amount to precedent. Actions that played a large part in the judge's decision.

As for the rest of what you wrote, you seem emotional. I don't argue based on emotion. The judge is clear in why she acted the way she did. She made clear consistency in punishment is paramount. She also noted Goodell can do whatever he wishes. But she cannot. She is bound by certain and specific rules. It's clear you did not read the judge's decision. I suggest you do. That way your future claims and arguments will be based on fact, as opposed to emotion.
Originally posted by NC49er:
It's all for show because the league has one goal in mind for EVERYTHING they do,and that is $$$$$, by mitigating monetary losses/bad public perception and maximizing profit.

The league always has the upper hand or "an out", just look at the kangaroo court system they have in place. Goodell can rule on the case himself or appoint someone else, whichever "the shield" and it's legal and PR team decide is the best route to take to act like they really care about all of these incidents that come up and minimize monetary fall out.

Having a reason (in this case, $$$) is the opposite of "for show"
Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Having a reason (in this case, $$$) is the opposite of "for show"

"For show" is defined as follows - disapproving: done in order to gain the approval or favor of others.

At least in the way I used it, I mean Goodell's actions, if he takes any, will be done, not because it is the right thing to do, but because he is trying to gain the approval of others. His actions are "for show."

He will not be acting because he genuinely feels Watson should be harshly punished for the alleged / egregious actions Watson is accused of, otherwise swift action would have taken place already. Further, history shows Goodell / the NFL are not interested in harsh punishments for gross actions. Thus, doing it for money, in this use case, fits the very definition of "for show."

By the way, I am not disagreeing. I think this will be a purely monetary decision. So, said action will go beyond being just for show. But, it's still being done for a reason ($) most find abhorrent.
[ Edited by Polkadots on Aug 5, 2022 at 6:48 AM ]
Originally posted by Bluesbro:

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Interesting…that's what separates the avg starters from good now they perform under pressure

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Interesting…that's what separates the avg starters from good now they perform under pressure


I brought this up in the O line thread. I showed a chart of QB stats under pressure in the playoffs. This chart shows passer rating, average depth of target while under pressure and how often they were under pressure.

[ Edited by YACBros85 on Aug 5, 2022 at 7:31 AM ]
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I brought this up in the O line thread. I showed a chart of QB stats under pressure in the playoffs. This chart shows passer rating, average depth of target while under pressure and how often they were under pressure.


What is the correlation though? I ask because we see similar pressure rates, with much better rating; less depth of target with lower pressure rates; etc. What is it, specifically, you think causes JG's rating to be so low? And poor Kyler. That game was hard to watch, even as someone who was not rooting for Arizona.
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