Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by thl408:

Thread derailed.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
I would leave Wilson off of this list. Without his mobility, he would probably drop out of the top 10 QB discussion. I agree with leaving Brady off because of age, it will catch up to him here soon. Would not take Wentz over him either, lets see him do what he is doing without those weapons. For me, that just leaves Rodgers, he's the best of the best right now.

But Jimmy is already looking to be special, so this whole discussion is meaningless. Just pay the man and lets get to building this team!

I think Wilson is incredibly underrated on here. Its okay to dislike Seattle and admit that he is a terrific QB who has never had the luxury of even average pass blocking. He doesn't have great receivers to throw to and his OC is one of the most predictable playcallers in football.

I think Wilson playing in Shanahan's offense would be an absolute nightmare to defend, especially with quality blocking. Yeah he's a scrambler but he also has the ability to sit back in the pocket and pick a defense apart.

Brady, Rodgers and Wilson are easily the three QBs I least want to see running a 2 minute drill against the 49ers.

The very threat of him scrambling makes him a threat, and that right there opens up everything for him. Take the scrambling ability away and i believe he is not a top 10 QB.

As good as he is now, Jimmy will be a nightmare to defend in this offense next year. He's already proving it behind this rag-tag group of scrubs we have at on the o-line and in the WR corp. I imagine next year we won't even be having these "would you rather have over Jimmy" discussions.

https://www.profootballweekly.com/2017/12/20/way-we-hear-it-how-we-expect-the-san-francisco-49ers-to-deal-with-jimmy-garoppolos-contract/aq96eti/

All of this now begs a fascinating question: How will the 49ers handle Garoppolo's contract situation in the offseason? He is an unrestricted free agent-to-be come March, and there's still quite an interesting debate afoot. After all, how do you value a potential franchise quarterback after making what could be a total of seven NFL starts, with only five of them coming with your team?

The most obvious answer is that the 49ers could place the franchise tag on Garoppolo. However, in speaking to people who are familiar with how the 49ers do business, we don't believe that will be the end game here.

Kirk Cousins might be as close to a comp as we have with Garoppolo, who is proving to be quite the unique circumstance, and Cousins had made 25 starts before Washington franchised him the first time. So even that's apples to oranges.

Franchising Garoppolo the next two seasons, as Washington has done with Cousins, would ensure Garoppolo almost $50 million guaranteed. And you could argue that Garoppolo would earn more guaranteed on the open market next spring than Cousins would, if they both were set free.

But that's not likely to be the case, and the 49ers know that franchising Garoppolo could end up just kicking the can down the road and being a cost-prohibitive move over the long term. It would cost the 49ers more than $23 million this year alone, and what would happen if Garoppolo played even better next season? It would cost them more.

Hard as it might be to think about a player who signed for more than $70 million guaranteed, but Derek Carr took a discount to stay with the Oakland Raiders. So did Matthew Stafford, who earned $22 million more than Carr did guaranteed, in staying with the Detroit Lions. Had either player hit the open market, the prices only would have been higher.

That's how the 49ers are viewing the Garoppolo negotiations. They traded for him, got him on the cheap (a high second-round pick) but now must pay in the form of long-term cash. The franchise tag doesn't appear to be their best option at all.

There's always the chance he fails, of course. Look at Carr's struggles this season. Or think about what happened to Joe Flacco after he signed his post-Super Bowl deal. But it's the price of doing business, and that's what the 49ers appear to realize. Taking Carr a step forward, if he was a free agent this coming offseason — as he was originally slated to be — he still would get a monster deal, even with a poor 2017 season. That's the positional value of quarterback in the NFL today.

So we expect the 49ers to sign Garoppolo to a deal that is something in line with what the Kansas City Chiefs and Miami Dolphins paid their quarterbacks, Alex Smith and Ryan Tannehill, respectively, in 2014 and 2015. Add annual inflation, which in the NFL is as much as 10 percent, and you could be looking at, at the very minimum, a four-year extension in the neighborhood of at least $85 million to $90 million total — with somewhere around 40 to 50 percent of it guaranteed, and a big chunk of it coming in the first two years of the deal.

(If you extend the deal to five or six years, the overall numbers go up, but Garoppolo might want to bet on himself and try to hit the market again following his age-30 season.)

And those first two years of any deal he signs would clearly have to be north of the franchise guarantee — the 2018 tender, plus a 120-percent kicker in 2019 — that almost certainly would exceed $50 million. Is that expensive to pay a player with so little experience? Yes, but we believe the 49ers have the foresight to know that it could be more costly for them to avoid paying that now and have it end up costing them more later.

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

The very threat of him scrambling makes him a threat, and that right there opens up everything for him. Take the scrambling ability away and i believe he is not a top 10 QB.

As good as he is now, Jimmy will be a nightmare to defend in this offense next year. He's already proving it behind this rag-tag group of scrubs we have at on the o-line and in the WR corp. I imagine next year we won't even be having these "would you rather have over Jimmy" discussions.

His ability to scramble is probably the only reason he's still alive.


Give him an even average NFL OL and I think he'd be fine sitting back in the pocket and flinging it.


He runs mostly because he has no choice. Not his fault that Seattle is historically awful at drafting OL. They've spent more picks on OL over the past 5 years than any other team and have basically nothing to show for it.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Meanwhile, Garoppolo took over a crap roster with 20+ guys on IR, and has us looking like a playoff team. But the Kap excuses about roster talent will continue.

This x10.

Right now we are seeing what a Prototypical QB can do with what has been called on this very site, below average offensive talent. My my, it's unbelievable how a real QB can raise the play of damn near everyone around him.

Originally posted by Niners99:
Meanwhile, Garoppolo took over a crap roster with 20+ guys on IR, and has us looking like a playoff team. But the Kap excuses about roster talent will continue.

Kap is going to lead the San Francisco Demons to the Million Dollar Game.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

https://www.profootballweekly.com/2017/12/20/way-we-hear-it-how-we-expect-the-san-francisco-49ers-to-deal-with-jimmy-garoppolos-contract/aq96eti/

All of this now begs a fascinating question: How will the 49ers handle Garoppolo's contract situation in the offseason? He is an unrestricted free agent-to-be come March, and there's still quite an interesting debate afoot. After all, how do you value a potential franchise quarterback after making what could be a total of seven NFL starts, with only five of them coming with your team?

The most obvious answer is that the 49ers could place the franchise tag on Garoppolo. However, in speaking to people who are familiar with how the 49ers do business, we don't believe that will be the end game here.

Kirk Cousins might be as close to a comp as we have with Garoppolo, who is proving to be quite the unique circumstance, and Cousins had made 25 starts before Washington franchised him the first time. So even that's apples to oranges.

Franchising Garoppolo the next two seasons, as Washington has done with Cousins, would ensure Garoppolo almost $50 million guaranteed. And you could argue that Garoppolo would earn more guaranteed on the open market next spring than Cousins would, if they both were set free.

But that's not likely to be the case, and the 49ers know that franchising Garoppolo could end up just kicking the can down the road and being a cost-prohibitive move over the long term. It would cost the 49ers more than $23 million this year alone, and what would happen if Garoppolo played even better next season? It would cost them more.

Hard as it might be to think about a player who signed for more than $70 million guaranteed, but Derek Carr took a discount to stay with the Oakland Raiders. So did Matthew Stafford, who earned $22 million more than Carr did guaranteed, in staying with the Detroit Lions. Had either player hit the open market, the prices only would have been higher.

That's how the 49ers are viewing the Garoppolo negotiations. They traded for him, got him on the cheap (a high second-round pick) but now must pay in the form of long-term cash. The franchise tag doesn't appear to be their best option at all.

There's always the chance he fails, of course. Look at Carr's struggles this season. Or think about what happened to Joe Flacco after he signed his post-Super Bowl deal. But it's the price of doing business, and that's what the 49ers appear to realize. Taking Carr a step forward, if he was a free agent this coming offseason — as he was originally slated to be — he still would get a monster deal, even with a poor 2017 season. That's the positional value of quarterback in the NFL today.

So we expect the 49ers to sign Garoppolo to a deal that is something in line with what the Kansas City Chiefs and Miami Dolphins paid their quarterbacks, Alex Smith and Ryan Tannehill, respectively, in 2014 and 2015. Add annual inflation, which in the NFL is as much as 10 percent, and you could be looking at, at the very minimum, a four-year extension in the neighborhood of at least $85 million to $90 million total — with somewhere around 40 to 50 percent of it guaranteed, and a big chunk of it coming in the first two years of the deal.

(If you extend the deal to five or six years, the overall numbers go up, but Garoppolo might want to bet on himself and try to hit the market again following his age-30 season.)

And those first two years of any deal he signs would clearly have to be north of the franchise guarantee — the 2018 tender, plus a 120-percent kicker in 2019 — that almost certainly would exceed $50 million. Is that expensive to pay a player with so little experience? Yes, but we believe the 49ers have the foresight to know that it could be more costly for them to avoid paying that now and have it end up costing them more later.

That's nearly identical to what an agent said (I posted a link previously in here)...3 or 4 year deal in this neighborhood, revisiting FA around 30 years old.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Again...

Life is not that simple, where you pick and choose scenes and edit them, unfortunately.

The core team was Scotts...

It doesn't mean the next GM can take 3-4 years of drafting off during a super bowl window and say the guy is not to blame...

So because the core was drafted by Scott, next years draft doesn't mean anything because Scott drafted the core???

Trent failed during a super bowl window... That's a nono

Stop trying to change the subject off of Kap's shortcomings by blaming Trent Baalke. Kap was not a good QB from 2014 on. His issues were glaring.

"Baalke doesn't have a draft class to hang his hat on. Excluding 2010, which is clouded by the transition from McCloughan.

Baalke's 61 draft picks since 2011 have amounted to just two Pro Bowls and one All-Pro nomination."

But but but but... Keapernick????? Really??? WoW amazing how people still here creating a false narrative.

https://www.google.com/amp/ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/10/10/this-is-all-your-fault-trent-baalke/amp/

Tisk, tisk, tisk. Facts don't lie. Sheesh.

Jimmy make sure John Lynch takes care of you thats all I'm saying. Don't know what anyone else is saying. Alot of baalke apologists up in here.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
His ability to scramble is probably the only reason he's still alive.

Give him an even average NFL OL and I think he'd be fine sitting back in the pocket and flinging it.

He runs mostly because he has no choice. Not his fault that Seattle is historically awful at drafting OL. They've spent more picks on OL over the past 5 years than any other team and have basically nothing to show for it.

A lot of his runs are designed runs and they rely a lot on splash plays from scramble drills. Gimmicky.

So how long until Jimmy ends up on that ESPN Body issue?

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
So how long until Jimmy ends up on that ESPN Body issue?

They already shot an entire magazine of him. They realized nobody else can compare.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Meanwhile, Garoppolo took over a crap roster with 20+ guys on IR, and has us looking like a playoff team. But the Kap excuses about roster talent will continue.

This x10.

Right now we are seeing what a Prototypical QB can do with what has been called on this very site, below average offensive talent. My my, it's unbelievable how a real QB can raise the play of damn near everyone around him.

When the FO signed Kaepernick to that deal, it was with the idea he'd grow into a FBQ that could carry a team no matter the circumstances and provide stable leadership. Nope.

Now we're seeing EXACTLY that with Garoppolo. 24 players on I.R., no running game, Tomlinson, Kilgore, Beadles, Fusco, UDFA starting WR's, Celek and your #1 WR is a #3, 8 hits and 3 sacks every game, etc.

No player, coaches, scheme or GM excuses.

This is the kind of QB you pay FQB $ too. He'll give you excellent leadership and players believe in him enough to keep you competitive to start a rebuild and once rebuilt, should keep you in the playoff hunt annually and a chance at a Championship.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Stop trying to change the subject off of Kap's shortcomings by blaming Trent Baalke. Kap was not a good QB from 2014 on. His issues were glaring.

Stop ignoring facts.


"Baalke doesn't have a draft class to hang his hat on. Excluding 2010, which is clouded by the transition from McCloughan."

"Baalke's 61 draft picks since 2011 have amounted to just two Pro Bowls and one All-Pro nomination."

Fact, whether anyone likes it or not. In this reality, this is what actually happened. No excuses. Just facts. I see it's hard for some to accept.

Originally posted by 9erReign:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

So how long until Jimmy ends up on that ESPN Body issue?

They already shot an entire magazine of him. They realized nobody else can compare.