Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams | Page 6970

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:00 PM

TheWooLick
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Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You are moving the goalposts.

I know he can because he almost did before.

Kyle knows he can and that is why he is starting him.

What happened to the "clutch" goalposts stuff that we never finished discussing?

Or is it over due to the bad game and we've just moved to something else?

I asked you if our QB coming out and having a good 1st half counted any towards being clutch?

We finished that discussion.

It depends on the context.

??? If it's possible then that's a yes, right?

And him having a bad game where he's not clutch in the 2nd half shouldn't automatically end a discussion, should it? Otherwise, that'd be that "moving the goalposts" thing.

What is possible?

Use real scenarios and context.

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Jan 21, 2022 at 1:03 PM

#104537

Waterbear
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
???

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/09/15/highest-paid-nfl-players-2021/8323187002/

Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs; $45 million

Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills: $43 million

Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys: $40 million

Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans: $39 million

Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks, $35 million

Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers: $33.5 million

Jared Goff, Detroit Lions: $33.5 million

Kirk Cousins, Minnesota Vikings: $33 million

Carson Wentz, Indianapolis Colts: $32 million

Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons: $30 million

Not sure how many times I need to explain this and show their cap hit in 2021 for people to get it....You and I have had this convo how many times now?

I don't care about APY...teams restructure QB's salaries all the time and some don't even make it through their full contract so it's not the best way to judge a contract really for any player.

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:03 PM

#104538

NYniner85
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
We've been down this road, he only counts cap cash paid this year even though no other metric counts cap cash in a single year as any metric.

Who or what is no other metric? The only time APY get's brought up is when Schefter tweets out a contract and people go wild over it, we all know that s**t is a bunch of fluff end of the day. We all know that contracts/APY are written in pencil not pen. All that matters is what that guys cap hit is right now.

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:04 PM

#104539

TheWooLick
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
???

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/09/15/highest-paid-nfl-players-2021/8323187002/

Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs; $45 million

Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills: $43 million

Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys: $40 million

Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans: $39 million

Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks, $35 million

Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers: $33.5 million

Jared Goff, Detroit Lions: $33.5 million

Kirk Cousins, Minnesota Vikings: $33 million

Carson Wentz, Indianapolis Colts: $32 million

Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons: $30 million

Not sure how many times I need to explain this and show their cap hit in 2021 for people to get it....You and I have had this convo how many times now?

I don't care about APY...teams restructure QB's salaries all the time and some don't even make it through their full contract so it's not the best way to judge a contract really for any player.

Your methodology is different than everyone elses.

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:06 PM

#104540

TheWooLick
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Originally posted by RidetheHyde:
Don't worry he's not gonna get it. Imagine thinking passing stats from the 80s are remotely comparable to the modern day. 🤪

Imagine claiming Jimmy was responsible for the Interception thrown by Trey.

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:06 PM

#104541

ritz126
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who or what is no other metric? The only time APY get's brought up is when Schefter tweets out a contract and people go wild over it, we all know that s**t is a bunch of fluff end of the day. We all know that contracts/APY are written in pencil not pen. All that matters is what that guys cap hit is right now.

there is a reason why front loading and backloading is a thing a contract is a thing though

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:09 PM

#104542

NYniner85
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Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
???

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/09/15/highest-paid-nfl-players-2021/8323187002/

Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs; $45 million

Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills: $43 million

Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys: $40 million

Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans: $39 million

Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks, $35 million

Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers: $33.5 million

Jared Goff, Detroit Lions: $33.5 million

Kirk Cousins, Minnesota Vikings: $33 million

Carson Wentz, Indianapolis Colts: $32 million

Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons: $30 million

Not sure how many times I need to explain this and show their cap hit in 2021 for people to get it....You and I have had this convo how many times now?

I don't care about APY...teams restructure QB's salaries all the time and some don't even make it through their full contract so it's not the best way to judge a contract really for any player.

Your methodology is different than everyone elses.

No it is not...who gives a s**t about a players cap hit in 2018? It's 2021 man. Who cares about a guys cap hit in 2025, it's 2021 and you have NO CLUE what his cap hit will be by then because cap hits are written in pencil not pen.

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:09 PM

#104543

RidetheHyde
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Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by RidetheHyde:
Don't worry he's not gonna get it. Imagine thinking passing stats from the 80s are remotely comparable to the modern day. 🤪

Imagine claiming Jimmy was responsible for the Interception thrown by Trey.

Pretty sure Jimmy is capable of turning the ball over from the bench. HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY TURNOVER SINCE WEEK 13 EXCLUDING THE GAME HE DIDNT PLAY. But I guess that has to be said because delusion and lack of common sense is running rampant here.

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:13 PM

#104544

NYniner85
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Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who or what is no other metric? The only time APY get's brought up is when Schefter tweets out a contract and people go wild over it, we all know that s**t is a bunch of fluff end of the day. We all know that contracts/APY are written in pencil not pen. All that matters is what that guys cap hit is right now.

there is a reason why front loading and backloading is a thing a contract is a thing though

Only thing that really matters with contracts is the GTD cash and what a players cap hit is right now.

[ Edited by NYniner85 on Jan 21, 2022 at 1:14 PM ]

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:14 PM

#104545

libertyforever
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Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
???

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/09/15/highest-paid-nfl-players-2021/8323187002/

Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs; $45 million

Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills: $43 million

Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys: $40 million

Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans: $39 million

Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks, $35 million

Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers: $33.5 million

Jared Goff, Detroit Lions: $33.5 million

Kirk Cousins, Minnesota Vikings: $33 million

Carson Wentz, Indianapolis Colts: $32 million

Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons: $30 million

Not sure how many times I need to explain this and show their cap hit in 2021 for people to get it....You and I have had this convo how many times now?

I don't care about APY...teams restructure QB's salaries all the time and some don't even make it through their full contract so it's not the best way to judge a contract really for any player.

I also don't care about cap hits. Dak's cap hit this year is $17M, next year will be $34M. We are talking about the same contract.
Stafford's cap hit would have been $30M if not traded to the Rams.
I agreed APY also has an issue.

The best way to look at it is the guaranteed at signing.

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:15 PM

#104546

SLCNiner
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He's had 3 games in a row with an int, which ties his career high. So he's due for a TO free game.

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:15 PM

#104547

JoseCortez
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Originally posted by RidetheHyde:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by RidetheHyde:
Don't worry he's not gonna get it. Imagine thinking passing stats from the 80s are remotely comparable to the modern day. 🤪

Imagine claiming Jimmy was responsible for the Interception thrown by Trey.

Pretty sure Jimmy is capable of turning the ball over from the bench. HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY TURNOVER SINCE WEEK 13 EXCLUDING THE GAME HE DIDNT PLAY. But I guess that has to be said because delusion and lack of common sense is running rampant here.

Are the mods really letting this trolling happen? It's pretty clear what's happening here.

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:16 PM

#104548

RidetheHyde
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Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by RidetheHyde:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by RidetheHyde:
Don't worry he's not gonna get it. Imagine thinking passing stats from the 80s are remotely comparable to the modern day. 🤪

Imagine claiming Jimmy was responsible for the Interception thrown by Trey.

Pretty sure Jimmy is capable of turning the ball over from the bench. HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY TURNOVER SINCE WEEK 13 EXCLUDING THE GAME HE DIDNT PLAY. But I guess that has to be said because delusion and lack of common sense is running rampant here.

Are the mods really letting this trolling happen? It's pretty clear what's happening here.

What did I say was false??? Passing stats are no where near comparable to modern day and it's factual that Jimmy is responsible for every single turnover since week 13 in the games he played. U don't think it's delusional comparing stats to the 80s? Passing numbers are basically double what they were in that era. That's delusional

[ Edited by RidetheHyde on Jan 21, 2022 at 1:17 PM ]

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:18 PM

#104549

thl408
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Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by RidetheHyde:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by RidetheHyde:
Don't worry he's not gonna get it. Imagine thinking passing stats from the 80s are remotely comparable to the modern day. 🤪

Imagine claiming Jimmy was responsible for the Interception thrown by Trey.

Pretty sure Jimmy is capable of turning the ball over from the bench. HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY TURNOVER SINCE WEEK 13 EXCLUDING THE GAME HE DIDNT PLAY. But I guess that has to be said because delusion and lack of common sense is running rampant here.

Are the mods really letting this trolling happen? It's pretty clear what's happening here.

As long as a football player/coach is being discussed idgaf. But that's just me. Feel free to use the tattle feature so other mods see it.

Jan 21, 2022 at 1:19 PM

#104550

NYniner85
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Originally posted by libertyforever:
I also don't care about cap hits. Dak's cap hit this year is $17M, next year will be $34M. We are talking about the same contract.
Stafford's cap hit would have been $30M if not traded to the Rams.
I agreed APY also has an issue.

The best way to look at it is the guaranteed at signing.

You're proving my point. Dak's cap hit this yr was only $17M, they were able to use money elsewhere because of that. Next yr not so much. Stafford if your were looking at APY would have been $30M BUT because he got traded that's not true.

I agree the best number to use when looking at a contract overall is the GTD cash, looking at a players cap hit right now also matters...not 3 years ago or 3 years from now. taking a guys total contract and dividing it by the years is pointless.

[ Edited by NYniner85 on Jan 21, 2022 at 1:22 PM ]