Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 9moon:
again, 95% of the time, our QB is only asks to drop back for 2 yards then must release the ball ASAP.... KS's Gimmick Offense is design this way and he fully believe that the main target WILL BE OPEN... what KS has yet to learn is that DEFENSES around the league studies his tendencies on down situations.. in fact, the last time I saw our QB drops back deep and unleash the ball deep over the middle was when both CJ and PETTIS were here...

This is why Grappy and Baby Face Lance's passes are always getting tipped.. they are too close to the LOS which also does not allow them to scan the whole field because rushers are OFTEN on their faces already..

Keen Observation

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Bet you he woulda overthrown him

without question

no, he probably would have under thrown and required him to come back on his route to catch to then be tackled at 20.

Jimmy doesn't know how to lead a WR.

Originally posted by frenchtoast:
JIMMY G IS THE WORST STARTING QB IN 49ER HISTORY. See how he missed Aiyuk and made him look bad last Sunday. Just a typical Jimmy G play: (TURN UP THE VOLUME FOR NARRATION)

JimmyG is the most overrated QB in 49er history... https://t.co/kiNcbJc8do

— Emperor Ming (@garymialocq) October 26, 2021

Hard to say from that angle where Aiyuk was as Jimmy drifted left. The TE failed.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
First of all, I am the one who produced this still image by screen capturing the video, not Cohn. That's my little yellow circle and my "Wide Open" sign.

Second, he is open BEFORE the ball is released, as shown here:



Third, they clearly were NOT going to blitz all of those linebackers because, while they initially lined up in the sugar look, after the 49ers motioned the tight end across the formation, one of those linebackers hightailed it out of their and lined up over a man (this all happened BEFORE the snap).

Fourth, as already stated, Jimmy should have known the middle would be open, because the safety cheated four yards left of the left hash.

Five, even if Jimmy anticipated a blitz, when the blitz didn't come he should have IMMEDIATELY knew the post was going to be open, turned, and fired. There was PLENTY of time for that, as he should have been able to diagnose whether there was a blitz as he was dropping back the 1.5 steps he took, and the half second he stood there staring down Deebo. On the way back he should have seen that leverage, saw there was no blitz, ALREADY known the middle was wide open from the presnap read, and flipped and thrown to Sanu.

There simply is no excuse. 100% of the top 15 QBs throws a touchdown here. Rip the band aid off dude.

again, 95% of the time, our QB is only asks to drop back for 2 yards then must release the ball ASAP.... KS's Gimmick Offense is design this way and he fully believe that the main target WILL BE OPEN... what KS has yet to learn is that DEFENSES around the league studies his tendencies on down situations.. in fact, the last time I saw our QB drops back deep and unleash the ball deep over the middle was when both CJ and PETTIS were here...

This is why Grappy and Baby Face Lance's passes are always getting tipped.. they are too close to the LOS which also does not allow them to scan the whole field because rushers are OFTEN on their faces already..

AGain, if that was true, and Sanu was only a decoy route, why was Sanu holding up his hand begging to have the ball thrown to him?

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Bet you he woulda overthrown him

without question

no, he probably would have under thrown and required him to come back on his route to catch to then be tackled at 20.

Jimmy doesn't know how to lead a WR.

If any of you have ever gone duck hunting you know that you have to aim ahead of the duck if you want to hit him. Knowing how much takes practice but eventually you get a feel for the speed of the duck and how much to lead. The same thing goes for the QB/WR relationship. It takes practice and every receiver is a little different. Some have a lot of closing speed and others don't have that burst.

My point here is it takes a lot of practice and a bit of natural feel to get good on deep passes. It can't be just 4 or 5 passes in practice. It has to be several reps with each receiver if they ever want to really get good at it.

The question is, how much does Kyle value those plays? He loves the short controlled game and he's had some success with it. How much longer will it continue to work without a real deep threat.

I have reached the point where I honestly don't care if this guy has the game of his life next week. I still want to move on to Lance.

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
no, he probably would have under thrown and required him to come back on his route to catch to then be tackled at 20.

Jimmy doesn't know how to lead a WR.

I mean good underthrow him in a rain storm, worked for Wentz all night. PI central. Jimmy doesn't have the nuts to do that lol

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
AGain, if that was true, and Sanu was only a decoy route, why was Sanu holding up his hand begging to have the ball thrown to him?

Moon doesn't know what he's talking about

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Can you post some examples of QBs realizing that all 6 defenders who were showing blitz weren't blitzing and didn't throw to their pre-snap hot read?

You don't even know if that was the hot. And it's easy to find. All you have to do is watch 49ER games, because WE frequently show a sugar look and bail out of it at the snap, and NO the QB doesn't instantly throw hot.

Honestly this is getting ridiculous.

Please show me some examples.

I've already done a ton of work. You want me to do more?

Okay, I'll go back to the Seahawks 49ers game, where Seattle ran the look and Jimmy DIDN'T throw it fast (still got intercepted though...).

1:02 of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayRguK3DPA&ab_channel=NFL

Can't make a gif out of it because NFL copyrights. But I'll screen cap for you. (EDIT - had to edit the single image into four because the text was too small)









I will NOT keep doing the work for you, however. I'm not going to pour through the games to find a 3x1 formation with a safety cheating over to the 1 side and a linebacker vacating the A gap just before the snap like what happened in the Colts game. It is NOT my fault that you are so strongly tied to Jimmy that you can't look at him objectively and see his flaws. That's not my fault, and I'm not going to punish myself by spending hours looking through film for you guys because you are not able to see the 49ers QB without looking through rose-colored stained glass windows.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
AGain, if that was true, and Sanu was only a decoy route, why was Sanu holding up his hand begging to have the ball thrown to him?

Moon doesn't know what he's talking about

I don't know why 9moon keeps saying Kyle's offense is a gimmick. There are presnap reads, post snap reads, progressions, all the things you see in a typical NFL offense. There isn't anything abnormal about it.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I've already done a ton of work. You want me to do more?

Okay, I'll go back to the Seahawks 49ers game, where Seattle ran the look and Jimmy DIDN'T throw it fast (still got intercepted though...).

1:02 of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayRguK3DPA&ab_channel=NFL

Can't make a gif out of it because NFL copyrights. But I'll screen cap for you. (EDIT - had to edit the single image into four because the text was too small)









I will NOT keep doing the work for you, however. I'm not going to poor through the games to find a 3x1 formation with a safety cheating over to the 1 side and a linebacker vacating the A gap just before the snap like what happened in the Colts game. It is NOT my fault that you are so strongly tied to Jimmy that you can't look at him objectively and see his flaws. That's not my fault, and I'm not going to punish myself by spending hours looking through film for you guys because you are not able to see the 49ers QB without looking through rose-colored stained glass windows.

I'd say he didn't throw it there because it wasn't open, not because it wasn't his hot.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I've already done a ton of work. You want me to do more?

Okay, I'll go back to the Seahawks 49ers game, where Seattle ran the look and Jimmy DIDN'T throw it fast (still got intercepted though...).

1:02 of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayRguK3DPA&ab_channel=NFL

Can't make a gif out of it because NFL copyrights. But I'll screen cap for you. (EDIT - had to edit the single image into four because the text was too small)









I will NOT keep doing the work for you, however. I'm not going to poor through the games to find a 3x1 formation with a safety cheating over to the 1 side and a linebacker vacating the A gap just before the snap like what happened in the Colts game. It is NOT my fault that you are so strongly tied to Jimmy that you can't look at him objectively and see his flaws. That's not my fault, and I'm not going to punish myself by spending hours looking through film for you guys because you are not able to see the 49ers QB without looking through rose-colored stained glass windows.

I'd say he didn't throw it there because it wasn't open, not because it wasn't his hot.

Deebo wasn't open. Even if your claim is true, that he chose to throw it to Deebo because he was "hot," and that Jimmy should not have recognized the the linebackers bailed, Deebo wasn't open.

Either way you look at it your wrong. Even if you accept that QBs are not capable of seeing that a linebacker who lined up in the A gap didn't blitz (a preposterous claim), Deebo was still blanketed and Sanu was still open for a touchdown.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Deebo wasn't open. Even if your claim is true, that he chose to throw it to Deebo because he was "hot," and that Jimmy should not have recognized the the linebackers bailed, Deebo wasn't open.

Either way you look at it your wrong. Even if you accept that QBs are not capable of seeing that a linebacker who lined up in the A gap didn't blitz (a preposterous claim), Deebo was still blanketed and Sanu was still open for a touchdown.

He wasn't wide open, but he had leverage on the DB for that route, the ball hit him in his chest, and it should have been caught (and probably should have been a flag on the DB).

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I wont go this far, but I absolutely believe we have more talent that one would think we do.

Yeahhh....we are on the same page... it is arguable ......

Deebo is statistically top 4. before this game he was even higher. Kittle is a top 3 TE....and I think BA is light years better then his actual production.

I think there is enough skill on this team to have a historically good offense, maybe not on par with having TO and Rice at WR, but this team is talented,

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by frenchtoast:
JIMMY G IS THE WORST STARTING QB IN 49ER HISTORY. See how he missed Aiyuk and made him look bad last Sunday. Just a typical Jimmy G play:

JimmyG is the most overrated QB in 49er history... https://t.co/kiNcbJc8do

— Emperor Ming (@garymialocq) October 26, 2021

Lol no he's not...

He has awful pocket awareness. Kyle Insist on playing him though, soooo...