Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Eli_23:
Tom Brady called him a motherf**ker lolz

Just updated myself on his latest comments,...lol. Certainly shots fired our way.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
itd be strange considering brady was coming off a not so good season in which tennessee beat them at home in the playoffs, and jimmy had just taken the niners to a sb.

....but if you watch our playoff run...

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree. My preference would be to keep Jimmy until just before the week one roster is set in case there is an injury out there. People will restructure to make room for a quarterback, and Jimmy would have to approve any job where he keeps his $25m and starts, because he can't get that otherwise. Putting him on the roster for week one guarantees his contract, and I would not do that. Maybe a desperate team would still pick up his contract, but then they wouldn't want to pay us draft capital too, and all of that is unlikely, so we might as well just cut him before the season.

Bottom line, if nothing better materializes before the season, just cut him. It's a cap league, and it can be moved from year to year, so imo, all talk of not "needing" it this year or next is insane. If he's not our intended starter for the season, and he's not, just move on.

Yep just cut Jimmy and start a rookie with Rosen or Sudfeld backing him up because it's more important to have cap space than a legitimate proven backup QB behind a rookie, it was proven last season after Jimmy went down the offense didn't miss a single beat with Mullens and Beathard. Makes sense

Of course we "missed a beat" with Mullens and Beathard, I don't know what we have with Rosen or Sudfeld but Sudfeld's deal is partially guaranteed so somebody must see something, and what I was alluding to was perhaps picking up someone like Gardner Minshew for a lot cheaper than Garoppolo, but I'm just going to leave that up to our FO. Fact is that most quarterbacks don't miss significant time in a given year, and paying your backup high starter money is stupid.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
matt maiocco on his latest podcast was talking about QB potential scenarios and he said one that makes sense is Jimmy possibly taken a pay cut before the season starts.

If Trey comes into TC and looks good, SF might ask Jimmy to take a pay cut. MM can't envision SF paying Jimmy $25M to hold the clip board at some point this yr...Asking Jimmy to take something like $12M, be the backup/week 1 starter, and letting him become a FA next yr might be a fair thing for both sides.

I mean if Trey is looking legit, they could just release Jimmy and he wouldn't get anything remotely close to $12M at this point...every team has it's starter and backup, plus there's just no cash to be had.

Jimmy still get's a legit shot to be the day 1 starter on a team he knows...there's opportunity for him to play well and earn more cash in 2021 (because he's not gonna be on this team regardless after this yr).

SF loses out on the possibly to trade him, but the cash might be just as important. TC will be very interesting that's for sure.

Would you rather have that extra $15M in cap space or say a day 3 pick in a trade (I'm being realistic on the trade comp)?

Here's the pod

What happens to Jimmy G if Trey Lance wins the 49ers' starting QB job? @MaioccoNBCS breaks down the possibility https://t.co/NHjRqgM6NO pic.twitter.com/2AJsCXSXAl

— 49ers on NBCS (@NBCS49ers) June 21, 2021

Considering that they don't really need the extra money to stay under the cap this year, I'd rather have Jimmy at $25m. That allows them to trade and get something in return. Your trade comp is probably his value right now but if he plays well and has a healthy season that trade value could go all the way up to maybe a second round pick. If healthy there's no reason why his value won't rise. Let's say they make a deep playoff run/ SB appearance under Jimmy's watch. His value would have to be higher than a day 3 pick. 2 SB appearances in 3 years. There's value in that.

I think I'd rather gamble and hope Jimmy plays well enough to fetch a day 2 pick after 2021. Any extra cash for 2022 will be nice, but with the cap projected to go up for 2022 and the only 'must have' free agent being Warner, I think SF should have enough to extend Warner. The other important free agents after 2021 are Verrett and KWaun Williams. Both over 30 CBs that I'd feel uneasy about giving multiyear deals to. With no day 1 picks, another day 2 pick would help - although there's no guarantee Jimmy nets a day 2 pick, whereas cutting his pay is an immediate gain.

what conditions have to be met to net a day 2 pick?

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
matt maiocco on his latest podcast was talking about QB potential scenarios and he said one that makes sense is Jimmy possibly taken a pay cut before the season starts.

If Trey comes into TC and looks good, SF might ask Jimmy to take a pay cut. MM can't envision SF paying Jimmy $25M to hold the clip board at some point this yr...Asking Jimmy to take something like $12M, be the backup/week 1 starter, and letting him become a FA next yr might be a fair thing for both sides.

I mean if Trey is looking legit, they could just release Jimmy and he wouldn't get anything remotely close to $12M at this point...every team has it's starter and backup, plus there's just no cash to be had.

Jimmy still get's a legit shot to be the day 1 starter on a team he knows...there's opportunity for him to play well and earn more cash in 2021 (because he's not gonna be on this team regardless after this yr).

SF loses out on the possibly to trade him, but the cash might be just as important. TC will be very interesting that's for sure.

Would you rather have that extra $15M in cap space or say a day 3 pick in a trade (I'm being realistic on the trade comp)?

Here's the pod

What happens to Jimmy G if Trey Lance wins the 49ers' starting QB job? @MaioccoNBCS breaks down the possibility https://t.co/NHjRqgM6NO pic.twitter.com/2AJsCXSXAl

— 49ers on NBCS (@NBCS49ers) June 21, 2021

Considering that they don't really need the extra money to stay under the cap this year, I'd rather have Jimmy at $25m. That allows them to trade and get something in return. Your trade comp is probably his value right now but if he plays well and has a healthy season that trade value could go all the way up to maybe a second round pick. If healthy there's no reason why his value won't rise. Let's say they make a deep playoff run/ SB appearance under Jimmy's watch. His value would have to be higher than a day 3 pick. 2 SB appearances in 3 years. There's value in that.

I think I'd rather gamble and hope Jimmy plays well enough to fetch a day 2 pick after 2021. Any extra cash for 2022 will be nice, but with the cap projected to go up for 2022 and the only 'must have' free agent being Warner, I think SF should have enough to extend Warner. The other important free agents after 2021 are Verrett and KWaun Williams. Both over 30 CBs that I'd feel uneasy about giving multiyear deals to. With no day 1 picks, another day 2 pick would help - although there's no guarantee Jimmy nets a day 2 pick, whereas cutting his pay is an immediate gain.

what conditions have to be met to net a day 2 pick?

If he plays well a team might trade a 2nd rounder for him. It's subjective what 'plays well' means. I'm not sure what you mean.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree. My preference would be to keep Jimmy until just before the week one roster is set in case there is an injury out there. People will restructure to make room for a quarterback, and Jimmy would have to approve any job where he keeps his $25m and starts, because he can't get that otherwise. Putting him on the roster for week one guarantees his contract, and I would not do that. Maybe a desperate team would still pick up his contract, but then they wouldn't want to pay us draft capital too, and all of that is unlikely, so we might as well just cut him before the season.

Bottom line, if nothing better materializes before the season, just cut him. It's a cap league, and it can be moved from year to year, so imo, all talk of not "needing" it this year or next is insane. If he's not our intended starter for the season, and he's not, just move on.

Yep just cut Jimmy and start a rookie with Rosen or Sudfeld backing him up because it's more important to have cap space than a legitimate proven backup QB behind a rookie, it was proven last season after Jimmy went down the offense didn't miss a single beat with Mullens and Beathard. Makes sense

Of course we "missed a beat" with Mullens and Beathard, I don't know what we have with Rosen or Sudfeld but Sudfeld's deal is partially guaranteed so somebody must see something, and what I was alluding to was perhaps picking up someone like Gardner Minshew for a lot cheaper than Garoppolo, but I'm just going to leave that up to our FO. Fact is that most quarterbacks don't miss significant time in a given year, and paying your backup high starter money is stupid.

Ownership already gave JL and the FO the green light to carry Jimmy's cap salary for this year so it's not stupid. What's stupid is starting a rookie QB without a legit backup behind him. You said it yourself you don't know what we have in Rosen and Sudfeld, we do in Jimmy. Bringing in Minshew a week before the season starts makes even no sense at all. It's a physical contact sport what if Lance gets injure in the first week, then what? Is Minshew good enough to carry the team after learning KS's playbook in a week? I don't think so.

Let me ask you this. IF Lance gets injure on the first week, who would you rather have to replace him and gives the team the better chance to win. Rosen, Sudfeld, Minshew or Jimmy G??

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree. My preference would be to keep Jimmy until just before the week one roster is set in case there is an injury out there. People will restructure to make room for a quarterback, and Jimmy would have to approve any job where he keeps his $25m and starts, because he can't get that otherwise. Putting him on the roster for week one guarantees his contract, and I would not do that. Maybe a desperate team would still pick up his contract, but then they wouldn't want to pay us draft capital too, and all of that is unlikely, so we might as well just cut him before the season.

Bottom line, if nothing better materializes before the season, just cut him. It's a cap league, and it can be moved from year to year, so imo, all talk of not "needing" it this year or next is insane. If he's not our intended starter for the season, and he's not, just move on.

Yeah that's not going to happen. The scenario is Jimmy taking a pay cut in exchange to be released after the year rather than traded. At that point he can choose where he wants to go and sign a deal accordingly.

Edit: The savings from the pay cut can roll over to next year to help give cap relief for next years cap which is already projected to be tight.

This is only if Jimmy is going to be the backup. Otherwise they pay him in full this year and hope he balls out to increase his trade value

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Eli_23:
Tom Brady called him a motherf**ker lolz

Just updated myself on his latest comments,...lol. Certainly shots fired our way.

Those comments also make sense for any of the other teams who had interest in Brady :

Tennessee (Tannehill)
LA Chargers (Tyrod Taylor)
Chicago (Mitch Trubisky)
Las Vegas (Derek Carr)

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Eli_23:
Tom Brady called him a motherf**ker lolz

Just updated myself on his latest comments,...lol. Certainly shots fired our way.

Those comments also make sense for any of the other teams who had interest in Brady :

Tennessee (Tannehill)
LA Chargers (Tyrod Taylor)
Chicago (Mitch Trubisky)
Las Vegas (Derek Carr)

The only one Brady actually knows and would make a comment like that would be Jimmy though. That's the kind of comment someone makes when they know the guy. IMO

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
matt maiocco on his latest podcast was talking about QB potential scenarios and he said one that makes sense is Jimmy possibly taken a pay cut before the season starts.

If Trey comes into TC and looks good, SF might ask Jimmy to take a pay cut. MM can't envision SF paying Jimmy $25M to hold the clip board at some point this yr...Asking Jimmy to take something like $12M, be the backup/week 1 starter, and letting him become a FA next yr might be a fair thing for both sides.

I mean if Trey is looking legit, they could just release Jimmy and he wouldn't get anything remotely close to $12M at this point...every team has it's starter and backup, plus there's just no cash to be had.

Jimmy still get's a legit shot to be the day 1 starter on a team he knows...there's opportunity for him to play well and earn more cash in 2021 (because he's not gonna be on this team regardless after this yr).
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SF loses out on the possibly to trade him, but the cash might be just as important. TC will be very interesting that's for sure.

Would you rather have that extra $15M in cap space or say a day 3 pick in a trade (I'm being realistic on the trade comp)?

Here's the pod

What happens to Jimmy G if Trey Lance wins the 49ers' starting QB job? @MaioccoNBCS breaks down the possibility https://t.co/NHjRqgM6NO pic.twitter.com/2AJsCXSXAl

— 49ers on NBCS (@NBCS49ers) June 21, 2021

If Jimmy spends the year on the bench, he won't fetch more than a day three pick. If he plays and gets hurt again, he won't fetch more than a day three pick. Shanahan Will Not start him for long, because he doesn't trust him, so IMO, the thought he balls all season and earns high trade value just won't happen.

Therefore, the only opportunity we have to recoup a high pick is before the season starts or early in the season after a starter goes down. What we need is a cheaper competent backup, and that can be had. All quarterbacks look better under Kyle. I think we can eat our cake and have it too with a high draft pick and saved cap space. We just have to realize Garoppolo is not the answer, and I believe the FO does.

oh ye of little faith….jimmy has an OL this yr, lest someone forget and he is due for a 2019 yr except not getting helmet to helmet in last 7 minutes of SB.
The option i don't see many choosing as the most likely is that jImmy responds to the challenge, and is the better of the two QBs this yr, and plays balz to the walls. Forget about trading him before first game of season, ain't gonna happen. His luck has to change this yr and that OL will have a lot to do with it. Also, that OL…is not just a ZBS…it is also a power/man . So get around the Goal line and we start running forward, not sideways….watch the TDs pile up. Based on knowledge of kyle ball, and his excellent qB skills, he starts all yr and takes us to SB , this time with a win.

We have a power back (or 2 ) this yr, not just guys for ZBS. We are scoring more points "in the paint" this yr, a lot more. Most seem to be figuring doom and gloom, yet we have a young stud who can come in if JG is injured….what are going to be the comments when JG wins the SB? I don't see anyone talking much about that. And being an optimist, that is my take. Plus, JG is owed one (SB) this yr, and i truly believe he takes it.

no lie, it will be a tough row to hoe, as KC basically rebuilt their entire OL. Andy saw what happened to league's best QB in SB when their OL stunk it up and got mahomes injured…they lost despite Mahomes.

and that is where i think we are this yr. Lots of unknowns, but OL ain't one of them. DL is the one this yr. At one point last yr of our 8 starter/rotational DLs, we had 6 out. SIX. This yr we have 10 bona fide DLs but we have yet to see how they do. My money is on them to return to glory, altho Nicky B will have to have his surgical knee working well. I think it will. LBs are some of the best, and DBs, we got new blood, some which could be really exciting. Additionally, altho i really respected and liked Saleh, i just have to like Demeco more. 4-3FAST is what he will play , meaning i am expecting that 3FAST to be more strategic blitzing, and if it works stay with it. If we can't beat 'em with the blitz , then lay off.

Blitzing on 3rd down (and majority of our blitzes were there,) isn't very imaginative. Look for D to be better.

i don't know how Jimmy comes out of the chute, but if he is as i expect, you will love him. Not casting aspersions on Trey, because he is the future. But this yr, Jimmy plays lites out.

Then what's he worth at end of season? Trading him before season? Fuggedaboudit.

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Eli_23:
Tom Brady called him a motherf**ker lolz

Just updated myself on his latest comments,...lol. Certainly shots fired our way.

Those comments also make sense for any of the other teams who had interest in Brady :

Tennessee (Tannehill)
LA Chargers (Tyrod Taylor)
Chicago (Mitch Trubisky)
Las Vegas (Derek Carr)

The only one Brady actually knows and would make a comment like that would be Jimmy though. That's the kind of comment someone makes when they know the guy. IMO

Disagree.

Tom and Jimmy reportedly have a good relationship as both players have previously publicly mentioned. Doesn't make sense to make such a comment about a friend like that.

The comment can easily be attributed to any of the other QBs as they haven't accomplished much if anything and in some cases nothing at all. Jimmy was coming off of a season in which he helped his team reach the SB.

Originally posted by evil:
Disagree.

Tom and Jimmy reportedly have a good relationship as both players have previously publicly mentioned. Doesn't make sense to make such a comment about a friend like that.

The comment can easily be attributed to any of the other QBs as they haven't accomplished much if anything and in some cases nothing at all. Jimmy was coming off of a season in which he helped his team reach the SB.

I mean there was a report Tommy wanted Jimmy out of NE as well….just saying

Its funny that there are actual NFL analysts and talking heads who believe this is about Jimmy, but people know it is about someone else.

The simple fact of the matter is, only Tom Brady (or people he explicitly told) knows who he was talking about. The talking heads dont. The posters on WZ certainly dont. Nothing but guesses from either side of the discussion.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Its funny that there are actual NFL analysts and talking heads who believe this is about Jimmy, but people know it is about someone else.

The simple fact of the matter is, only Tom Brady (or people he explicitly told) knows who he was talking about. The talking heads dont. The posters on WZ certainly dont. Nothing but guesses from either side of the discussion.

It's clearly about Jimmy

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean there was a report Tommy wanted Jimmy out of NE as well….just saying

And Tom claimed those reports were false (although if true it seems pretty obvious he likely would deny anyhow). But Jimmy has mentioned they still talk from time to time.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its funny that there are actual NFL analysts and talking heads who believe this is about Jimmy, but people know it is about someone else.

The simple fact of the matter is, only Tom Brady (or people he explicitly told) knows who he was talking about. The talking heads dont. The posters on WZ certainly dont. Nothing but guesses from either side of the discussion.

As my OP stated, the comments make sense for any of the QBs. I mean it could be JG, but if there is truth to them have a good relationship and friendship then the comments don't seem to point to JG.

Nobody knows though like you said.