Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Every since Jimmy got paid, he's been mediocre with the exception of a handful of games.

His solution to his turn over problem seems to be not to take risks at all, including not throwing downfield or outside the hash marks. And he's still prone to make hugely errant throws (decisions) as displayed in the Cards game. Like just chucking it in the air with game on the line.

As a fan, I'm willing to give him more time because of his BRILLIANT 2017 campaign, but my patience is wearing thin.

You didn't watch the 1st half of the Jets game, then. Carrying an injury.

Seems like a lot of people didn't watch that game or chose to ignore it because "iTs tHE JeTs"

How did Nick look vs the same Jets?

People keep praising Nick for his aggressiveness. When you're the backup it's pretty easy to let it loose.

We've seen Nick as a starter for a while. He played well overall vs the Giants but he also showed issues people keep b***hing about with Jimmy. Jimmy didn't play well vs Arizona missing key weapons with no preseason to shake the rust off.

Mullens didn't look very good in his first action vs the lowly Jets. Maybe both of these guys needed to shake off the rust. Even Mahomes despite throwing for 3 TDs vs Houston actually didn't play up to his standards and unlike Jimmy he had all of his weapons out there and a solid OL.

Let's chill on overreactions. If we get the first half Jets game Jimmy the rest of the year we're in great shape.

Thanks for Mullens for getting us a victory yesterday. Our franchise QB will be back on Sunday

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Every since Jimmy got paid, he's been mediocre with the exception of a handful of games.

His solution to his turn over problem seems to be not to take risks at all, including not throwing downfield or outside the hash marks. And he's still prone to make hugely errant throws (decisions) as displayed in the Cards game. Like just chucking it in the air with game on the line.

As a fan, I'm willing to give him more time because of his BRILLIANT 2017 campaign, but my patience is wearing thin.

It's still his job to lose still. But hopefully he will be on a short leash once he's back starting. He needs to stop being so scared and throw it to some WRs, especially more than 5-10 yards down the field. It's great to have TEs like Kittle and Reed who can get so much YAC, but we can't depend on that all the time. He needs to make some big boy throws like Mullens did.

This.

That's all I'm saying. Imo, guys like Kittle and Mostert carry Jimmy, specifically his stats that people point to. If it wasn't for them and Kyles ability to design great schemes, he might be bottom third. Just compare him to the elite QBs of the league, who are making big plays despite things breaking down or little YAC help.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by dj43:
Just for some perspective, and to show how two different matrixes look:

The NFL rating system has Jimmy at #6 with a rating of 118.6. Mullens at #19 with a 95.5 rating.

Pro Football Focus has Jimmy at #22 with a 69 rating. Mullens at #16 and a 74 rating. Jimmy low average. Mullens high average.

JG has arguably played a tougher opponent than Nick.

Way too soon to be betting the mortgage on either one. The Giants are BAD. The Jets are BAD. Let's see what happens after the Philly and Miami games. Until then, let's enjoy a relatively easy run. It gets tougher.

This is such an unfair analysis. Anyone who watches the games can tell the difference, despite the stats. Sure the Jets suck, but most of our offensive weapons where down because of injury. No Kittle. No Mostert. No Deebo. No Coleman. Not even Reed for half the game.

Just be honest, Mullens attempted passes (and completed them), that I haven't since Jimmy attempt since early last year with any regularity. For whatever reason, he's been completely shell shocked. Also, if you watch other teams besides the Niners, you would see that Jimmy rarely takes any good risks.

Did Mullens not play vs the same Jets team?

When Jimmy played vs Arizona without Deebo, Aiyuk and a center off the PS did you bring up the guys he was missing?

Jimmy rarely takes any good risks...please like what is a good risk?

I'm sure you're not in here b***hing if he makes some of those risks and they get picked?

Originally posted by susweel:
People were making excuses for Jimmy oh he ain't got no weapons his WRs are crap. Then Nick went out and balled with even a worse group of weapons. No more excuses for Jimmy, either ball or grab the clipboard.

I think it's fair to say that Kyle won't tokenly toss Jimmy the keys to the car. I know Jimmy loyalists get upset at these posts but it's true. Once Jimmy gets healthy again, Kyle will be watching him like a hawk and he'll be focusing on 1) Jimmy's footwork 2) whether Jimmy is stepping into throws or playing flatfooted. 3) The locations of Jimmy's passes. 4) Jimmy's pocket presence 5) Jimmy's throws over 15 yards 6) Jimmy's ability to make longer throws to the sideline. 7) Jimmy's ability to run Kyle's offense...all of his offense, not just a watered down version ie focusing on short throws over the middle.

I love Jimmy! But even his biggest fans agree that there are a few items from the above list that need improvement. If Jimmy doesn't improve, we'll have to deal with that. But every QB in the league is scrutinized on a regular basis. It's part of the job. So no need for Jimmy fans (and I'm one of them) to hang their heads as Jimmy will be given everything opportunity to improve.

Gotta be careful not to step in the Bull sh!t in this thread.

Jimmy is the starter.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Every since Jimmy got paid, he's been mediocre with the exception of a handful of games.

His solution to his turn over problem seems to be not to take risks at all, including not throwing downfield or outside the hash marks. And he's still prone to make hugely errant throws (decisions) as displayed in the Cards game. Like just chucking it in the air with game on the line.

As a fan, I'm willing to give him more time because of his BRILLIANT 2017 campaign, but my patience is wearing thin.

It's still his job to lose still. But hopefully he will be on a short leash once he's back starting. He needs to stop being so scared and throw it to some WRs, especially more than 5-10 yards down the field. It's great to have TEs like Kittle and Reed who can get so much YAC, but we can't depend on that all the time. He needs to make some big boy throws like Mullens did.

he's made big boy throws his entire tenure with us. it just wasn't on display like it needed to be vs. Arizona. not sure why we're only using 1 game as a sample to compare with Mullens. and again, the Bourne drop. but let's see if they show Jimmy the bat before he starts again. whenever that may be

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by dj43:
Just for some perspective, and to show how two different matrixes look:

The NFL rating system has Jimmy at #6 with a rating of 118.6. Mullens at #19 with a 95.5 rating.

Pro Football Focus has Jimmy at #22 with a 69 rating. Mullens at #16 and a 74 rating. Jimmy low average. Mullens high average.

JG has arguably played a tougher opponent than Nick.

Way too soon to be betting the mortgage on either one. The Giants are BAD. The Jets are BAD. Let's see what happens after the Philly and Miami games. Until then, let's enjoy a relatively easy run. It gets tougher.

This is such an unfair analysis. Anyone who watches the games can tell the difference, despite the stats. Sure the Jets suck, but most of our offensive weapons where down because of injury. No Kittle. No Mostert. No Deebo. No Coleman. Not even Reed for half the game.

Just be honest, Mullens attempted passes (and completed them), that I haven't since Jimmy attempt since early last year with any regularity. For whatever reason, he's been completely shell shocked. Also, if you watch other teams besides the Niners, you would see that Jimmy rarely takes any good risks.

Did Mullens not play vs the same Jets team?

When Jimmy played vs Arizona without Deebo, Aiyuk and a center off the PS did you bring up the guys he was missing?

Jimmy rarely takes any good risks...please like what is a good risk?

I'm sure you're not in here b***hing if he makes some of those risks and they get picked?

A good risk is a calculated risk....not throwing it up for grabs as you fall out of bounds like Jimmy. I mean the type that Mullens takes. Like chucking it 20 yards down field to your WR, instead of taking the easy dump off.

Also, I can't believe your talking about Mullens in the Jets game? Clearly nerves got the best of him. He did settle down and once had a chance to practice, killed versus the Giants.

Jimmy's earning 27 million a year, he should destroy the Jets. Mullens can only afford a low budget Walmart 9ers hat on his salary...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Every since Jimmy got paid, he's been mediocre with the exception of a handful of games.

His solution to his turn over problem seems to be not to take risks at all, including not throwing downfield or outside the hash marks. And he's still prone to make hugely errant throws (decisions) as displayed in the Cards game. Like just chucking it in the air with game on the line.

As a fan, I'm willing to give him more time because of his BRILLIANT 2017 campaign, but my patience is wearing thin.

You didn't watch the 1st half of the Jets game, then. Carrying an injury.

Seems like a lot of people didn't watch that game or chose to ignore it because "iTs tHE JeTs"

How did Nick look vs the same Jets?

People keep praising Nick for his aggressiveness. When you're the backup it's pretty easy to let it loose.

We've seen Nick as a starter for a while. He played well overall vs the Giants but he also showed issues people keep b***hing about with Jimmy. Jimmy didn't play well vs Arizona missing key weapons with no preseason to shake the rust off.

Mullens didn't look very good in his first action vs the lowly Jets. Maybe both of these guys needed to shake off the rust. Even Mahomes despite throwing for 3 TDs vs Houston actually didn't play up to his standards and unlike Jimmy he had all of his weapons out there and a solid OL.

Let's chill on overreactions. If we get the first half Jets game Jimmy the rest of the year we're in great shape.

why do people say "it's the Jets" with Jimmy but not "it's the Giants" with Mullens? agenda I suppose.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by dj43:
Just for some perspective, and to show how two different matrixes look:

The NFL rating system has Jimmy at #6 with a rating of 118.6. Mullens at #19 with a 95.5 rating.

Pro Football Focus has Jimmy at #22 with a 69 rating. Mullens at #16 and a 74 rating. Jimmy low average. Mullens high average.

JG has arguably played a tougher opponent than Nick.

Way too soon to be betting the mortgage on either one. The Giants are BAD. The Jets are BAD. Let's see what happens after the Philly and Miami games. Until then, let's enjoy a relatively easy run. It gets tougher.

This is such an unfair analysis. Anyone who watches the games can tell the difference, despite the stats. Sure the Jets suck, but most of our offensive weapons where down because of injury. No Kittle. No Mostert. No Deebo. No Coleman. Not even Reed for half the game.

Just be honest, Mullens attempted passes (and completed them), that I haven't since Jimmy attempt since early last year with any regularity. For whatever reason, he's been completely shell shocked. Also, if you watch other teams besides the Niners, you would see that Jimmy rarely takes any good risks.

Did Mullens not play vs the same Jets team?

When Jimmy played vs Arizona without Deebo, Aiyuk and a center off the PS did you bring up the guys he was missing?

Jimmy rarely takes any good risks...please like what is a good risk?

I'm sure you're not in here b***hing if he makes some of those risks and they get picked?

A good risk is a calculated risk....not throwing it up for grabs as you fall out of bounds like Jimmy. I mean they type that Mullens takes. Like chucking it 20 yards down field to your WR, instead of taking the easy dump off.

Also, I can't believe your talking about Mullens in the Jets game? Clearly nerves got the best of him. He did settle down and once had a chance to practice, killed versus the Giants.

Jimmy's earning 27 million a year, he should destroy the Jets. Mullens can only afford a low budget Walmart 9ers hat on his salary...

really wasn't nerves as much as it was cadence, rhythm, stuff like that. different for the entire offense. always a little weird at first. that 2nd half vs. the Jets to get his feet wet again, and then a whole week of practice with the starters helped tremendously.

If Mullens was our starter for 16 games last season we go 8-8 at best. Mullens is a good backup to come in a get some wins when needed

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Every since Jimmy got paid, he's been mediocre with the exception of a handful of games.

His solution to his turn over problem seems to be not to take risks at all, including not throwing downfield or outside the hash marks. And he's still prone to make hugely errant throws (decisions) as displayed in the Cards game. Like just chucking it in the air with game on the line.

As a fan, I'm willing to give him more time because of his BRILLIANT 2017 campaign, but my patience is wearing thin.

You didn't watch the 1st half of the Jets game, then. Carrying an injury.

Seems like a lot of people didn't watch that game or chose to ignore it because "iTs tHE JeTs"

How did Nick look vs the same Jets?

People keep praising Nick for his aggressiveness. When you're the backup it's pretty easy to let it loose.

We've seen Nick as a starter for a while. He played well overall vs the Giants but he also showed issues people keep b***hing about with Jimmy. Jimmy didn't play well vs Arizona missing key weapons with no preseason to shake the rust off.

Mullens didn't look very good in his first action vs the lowly Jets. Maybe both of these guys needed to shake off the rust. Even Mahomes despite throwing for 3 TDs vs Houston actually didn't play up to his standards and unlike Jimmy he had all of his weapons out there and a solid OL.

Let's chill on overreactions. If we get the first half Jets game Jimmy the rest of the year we're in great shape.

why do people say "it's the Jets" with Jimmy but not "it's the Giants" with Mullens? agenda I suppose.

I see it as we have two capable starters that can smoke bad teams. Mullens did air it out to his WRs more. That was nice to see.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Every since Jimmy got paid, he's been mediocre with the exception of a handful of games.

His solution to his turn over problem seems to be not to take risks at all, including not throwing downfield or outside the hash marks. And he's still prone to make hugely errant throws (decisions) as displayed in the Cards game. Like just chucking it in the air with game on the line.

As a fan, I'm willing to give him more time because of his BRILLIANT 2017 campaign, but my patience is wearing thin.

It's still his job to lose still. But hopefully he will be on a short leash once he's back starting. He needs to stop being so scared and throw it to some WRs, especially more than 5-10 yards down the field. It's great to have TEs like Kittle and Reed who can get so much YAC, but we can't depend on that all the time. He needs to make some big boy throws like Mullens did.

This.

That's all I'm saying. Imo, guys like Kittle and Mostert carry Jimmy, specifically his stats that people point to. If it wasn't for them and Kyles ability to design great schemes, he might be bottom third. Just compare him to the elite QBs of the league, who are making big plays despite things breaking down or little YAC help.

Another BS take.

We've had 1.5 games of Jimmy this season and people want to bash him for being "scared" to throw to some WRs? Especially when one of those games didn't have our top 2 WRs active. He drops an absolute dime deep to Bourne who drops it but that doesn't count right?

Kittle and Mostert carried Jimmy in 2017 as well right?

The offense isn't designed to have big plays when things break down. That's WHY you have Kyle Shanahan. It's absolutely hypocritical to praise Kyle for making Jimmy and then bashing Jimmy at the same time for not making all these off the cuff plays.

Seattle has coached scramble drills for years to utilize Wilson's scramble and deep passing abilities. If you want the same type of offense here then what the hell is the point of Shanahan?

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Thanks for Mullens for getting us a victory yesterday. Our franchise QB will be back on Sunday

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

If Mullens was our starter for 16 games last season we go 8-8 at best. Mullens is a good backup to come in a get some wins when needed

Ridiculous. At worst we would have finished within 1-2 games of the same record.