Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Let's also not act like there were a plethora of good options. Their hope for beathard was a quality backup as they've made it clear their intention was to get Cousins, Jimmy G or a top draft pick QB. Hoyer was there to handle the verbiage, that's about it.

In those regards, it's not a huge F up. Did it turn out the best way? Yes, actually. We came within a nose hair of a 6th trophy 2 years later.

It wasn't the best way, but they ended up lucking out. We lost the SB because Kyle was hell bent on bringing Cousins in and didn't even consider drafting the QB that beat us in the SB. Pretty big F up imo.

It didn't matter who the QB was for the 9ers, they weren't gonna win that Super Bowl either way.

lolwut?

Oh they f'd up. Passing on Mahomes and Watson for Cousins and Beathard, choosing Solomon Thomas instead at #3.
And worst 4th qtr QB rating in SB history matters

Facts about JG that surprised me:
Fewer career starts than Baker Mayfield.
Fewer career pass attempts than Sam Darnold.

Matt Ryan won MVP in second full season in Shanny's offense 5000yds/38tds.
Hope JG follows suit.

All have probably been mentioned over course of this thread, the Sam Darnold stat was the most surprising thing to me.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
As the 49er best player, he needs to step it up. As long as the interior line do their jobs, then Jimmy should be fine.

As the most important position on the team the QB could be considered the best player but Bosa and Kittle are both better at their positions than Jimmy is at his. That's not a knock on Jimmy as much as it is praise for Bosa and Kittle.

I disagree. Jimmy only has 24 starts with Shanny and shanny is known to have a complex offense. There is a steep learning curve. If he can master it, like I think he can, he will be an MVP candidate. Kittle is great and Bosa is solid but Jimmy will unleash will be leaps and bounds better this year. (if he can stay healthy and the interior linemen can protect)

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Let's also not act like there were a plethora of good options. Their hope for beathard was a quality backup as they've made it clear their intention was to get Cousins, Jimmy G or a top draft pick QB. Hoyer was there to handle the verbiage, that's about it.

In those regards, it's not a huge F up. Did it turn out the best way? Yes, actually. We came within a nose hair of a 6th trophy 2 years later.

It wasn't the best way, but they ended up lucking out. We lost the SB because Kyle was hell bent on bringing Cousins in and didn't even consider drafting the QB that beat us in the SB. Pretty big F up imo.

It didn't matter who the QB was for the 9ers, they weren't gonna win that Super Bowl either way.

lolwut?

Oh they f'd up. Passing on Mahomes and Watson for Cousins and Beathard, choosing Solomon Thomas instead at #3.
And worst 4th qtr QB rating in SB history matters

No it doesn't. Much how Matt Ryan's best QB rating in SB history didn't matter for him when his team lost.

49ers didn't lose because of that QB rating, especially when the biggest reason for that rating to be so low was the interception at the end where the DB stole it over our WR(forget whether it was Deebo or KB)

Originally posted by Rathof44:
Facts about JG that surprised me:
Fewer career starts than Baker Mayfield.
Fewer career pass attempts than Sam Darnold.

Matt Ryan won MVP in second full season in Shanny's offense 5000yds/38tds.
Hope JG follows suit.

All have probably been mentioned over course of this thread, the Sam Darnold stat was the most surprising thing to me.

I don't want him replicating Matt Ryan's 2nd Shanny season unless we flip NFL MVP for SB MVP.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
As the 49er best player, he needs to step it up. As long as the interior line do their jobs, then Jimmy should be fine.

As the most important position on the team the QB could be considered the best player but Bosa and Kittle are both better at their positions than Jimmy is at his. That's not a knock on Jimmy as much as it is praise for Bosa and Kittle.

I disagree. Jimmy only has 24 starts with Shanny and shanny is known to have a complex offense. There is a steep learning curve. If he can master it, like I think he can, he will be an MVP candidate. Kittle is great and Bosa is solid but Jimmy will unleash will be leaps and bounds better this year. (if he can stay healthy and the interior linemen can protect)

So you think Jimmy will be the best or second best QB in the league? I don't see it. On the other hand Kittle is considered the best or second best by nearly everyone and Bosa after one season is already one of the top edge rushers. I know QB is the most important position but Jimmy isn't the best player. Most people around the league don't have him in the top 10.

That's not a slight to Jimmy. Most fans would agree that Rice was a better football player than Montana. Not more important but a better player.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Facts about JG that surprised me:
Fewer career starts than Baker Mayfield.
Fewer career pass attempts than Sam Darnold.

Matt Ryan won MVP in second full season in Shanny's offense 5000yds/38tds.
Hope JG follows suit.

All have probably been mentioned over course of this thread, the Sam Darnold stat was the most surprising thing to me.

I don't want him replicating Matt Ryan's 2nd Shanny season unless we flip NFL MVP for SB MVP.

Why not both?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

As the 49er best player, he needs to step it up. As long as the interior line do their jobs, then Jimmy should be fine.

As the most important position on the team the QB could be considered the best player but Bosa and Kittle are both better at their positions than Jimmy is at his. That's not a knock on Jimmy as much as it is praise for Bosa and Kittle.

I disagree. Jimmy only has 24 starts with Shanny and shanny is known to have a complex offense. There is a steep learning curve. If he can master it, like I think he can, he will be an MVP candidate. Kittle is great and Bosa is solid but Jimmy will unleash will be leaps and bounds better this year. (if he can stay healthy and the interior linemen can protect)

So you think Jimmy will be the best or second best QB in the league? I don't see it. On the other hand Kittle is considered the best or second best by nearly everyone and Bosa after one season is already one of the top edge rushers. I know QB is the most important position but Jimmy isn't the best player. Most people around the league don't have him in the top 10.

That's not a slight to Jimmy. Most fans would agree that Rice was a better football player than Montana. Not more important but a better player.

I think he could top 5, he's flashed greatness before. If Jim can consistently play like that, and I believe it is possible, then he'll be one of the better QBs in the league. It took Wilson a long time to be considered an elite QB, so give Jimmy more live action and his game will improve even more.

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Facts about JG that surprised me:
Fewer career starts than Baker Mayfield.
Fewer career pass attempts than Sam Darnold.

Matt Ryan won MVP in second full season in Shanny's offense 5000yds/38tds.
Hope JG follows suit.

All have probably been mentioned over course of this thread, the Sam Darnold stat was the most surprising thing to me.

I don't want him replicating Matt Ryan's 2nd Shanny season unless we flip NFL MVP for SB MVP.

Why not both?

Zactly

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:
I think he could top 5, he's flashed greatness before. If Jim can consistently play like that, and I believe it is possible, then he'll be one of the better QBs in the league. It took Wilson a long time to be considered an elite QB, so give Jimmy more live action and his game will improve even more.

I don't see him getting into the top 5 but top 10 is a possibility. Somewhere between 7-10. The key word here is COULD. He isn't yet and that's what I'm saying. If he gets in the top 5 then he would possibly be the best player on the team but that depends on what Kittle and Bosa continue to do. Like I said, as good as Montana was he still wasn't considered the best player on the team. He was consided the greatest ever by many at least until Brady had his run. Even then Rice was considered the best player on the team.

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Facts about JG that surprised me:
Fewer career starts than Baker Mayfield.
Fewer career pass attempts than Sam Darnold.

Matt Ryan won MVP in second full season in Shanny's offense 5000yds/38tds.
Hope JG follows suit.

All have probably been mentioned over course of this thread, the Sam Darnold stat was the most surprising thing to me.

I don't want him replicating Matt Ryan's 2nd Shanny season unless we flip NFL MVP for SB MVP.

Why not both?

Both would be terrific but NFL MVP for QBs lately has been almost a jinx.
Lamar MVP - lost divisional round
Mahomes MVP - lost Conference round
Brady, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Peyton Manning all lost in SB after winning MVP
Hell looking it up last time it happened was Kurt Warner in 1999.

Originally posted by genus49:

No it doesn't. Much how Matt Ryan's best QB rating in SB history didn't matter for him when his team lost.

49ers didn't lose because of that QB rating, especially when the biggest reason for that rating to be so low was the interception at the end where the DB stole it over our WR(forget whether it was Deebo or KB)

They also didn't win because of it too. A big reason is that interception? If he completed the pass to Sanders the rating would've been higher than worst ever, thus putting us up in the game, giving us a good shot of winning it too. All correlates, how you think a QBs performance in the 4th qtr doesn't matter is beyond me

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by genus49:

No it doesn't. Much how Matt Ryan's best QB rating in SB history didn't matter for him when his team lost.

49ers didn't lose because of that QB rating, especially when the biggest reason for that rating to be so low was the interception at the end where the DB stole it over our WR(forget whether it was Deebo or KB)

They also didn't win because of it too. A big reason is that interception? If he completed the pass to Sanders the rating would've been higher than worst ever, thus putting us up in the game, giving us a good shot of winning it too. All correlates, how you think a QBs performance in the 4th qtr doesn't matter is beyond me

You brought up that info for a reason and it's BS. Had he not thrown that interception when we were already down he likely wouldn't have the lowest 4th qtr QB rating and we'd still lose the game...that was the point.

Chris Jones knocking down several key passes isn't on Jimmy. Jimmy getting hit in the chin with no flag thrown which would've kept the drive going wasn't on him. Defense giving up 21 points in 7 minutes wasn't due to Jimmy's qb rating.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by genus49:

No it doesn't. Much how Matt Ryan's best QB rating in SB history didn't matter for him when his team lost.

49ers didn't lose because of that QB rating, especially when the biggest reason for that rating to be so low was the interception at the end where the DB stole it over our WR(forget whether it was Deebo or KB)

They also didn't win because of it too. A big reason is that interception? If he completed the pass to Sanders the rating would've been higher than worst ever, thus putting us up in the game, giving us a good shot of winning it too. All correlates, how you think a QBs performance in the 4th qtr doesn't matter is beyond me

You brought up that info for a reason and it's BS. Had he not thrown that interception when we were already down he likely wouldn't have the lowest 4th qtr QB rating and we'd still lose the game...that was the point.

Chris Jones knocking down several key passes isn't on Jimmy. Jimmy getting hit in the chin with no flag thrown which would've kept the drive going wasn't on him. Defense giving up 21 points in 7 minutes wasn't due to Jimmy's qb rating.

This thread just goes round and round It's ridiculous. Too many cakes and rainbows for the Jimmy does nothing wrong crowd, too much pessimism from the Jimmy does everything wrong crowd and not enough of the realistic crowd that can have honest opinions/discussions. Whatever bro, Jimmys QB rating or performance in the 4th quarter has nothing to do with the outcome of the game. To the original point on which you quoted me on, ANY QB would have had the same results and we would have lost either way

Originally posted by 49ers808:

This thread just goes round and round It's ridiculous. Too many cakes and rainbows for the Jimmy does nothing wrong crowd, too much pessimism from the Jimmy does everything wrong crowd and not enough of the realistic crowd that can have honest opinions/discussions. Whatever bro, Jimmys QB rating or performance in the 4th quarter has nothing to do with the outcome of the game. To the original point on which you quoted me on, ANY QB would have had the same results and we would have lost either way

Bringing up the QB rating of one quarter isn't being realistic.

Matt Ryan had like a 40-50 point higher QB rating over Tom Brady in their SB so that should tell you how non telling that stat can be.

You could've made your point without bringing up QB rating in the 4th quarter. It actually makes you seem like you have an agenda in regards to Jimmy.

He literally could've been perfect in the first 3 quarters and the lowest 4th qtr qb rating would've have mattered at all. In the context of that game had our defense kept them from converting 3rd and 15 we probably win regardless.

What another QB could've done with our offense is all hypothetical some could've done better, some could've been worse. Yet QB rating alone doesn't lose a game and like i said before the pick at the end wasn't even a bad play, it did however give him an awful 4th quarter qb rating...something box score watchers have clung to like all the other crazy s**t didn't happen in the final 7 minutes.