Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by random49er:

Congrats NY,....you are the only person in the world that would've guessed the top ranked NFL Draft Prospect all of his last college season -- even while injured -- would have a good 1st year. Lol. Great find with this unknown Bosa kid. Now that we are out of Fantasy Land....


14 completions??? Do you really think those 14 completions in the offense we have over the course of 16 games really mean that much?

I clearly outlined to you that he was last on the list -- easily -- with testing downfield and competed with Casey Keenum. Keenum is a guy Washington gave up on and helped get a guy fired. Is that really the standard we want to compare to?

Can you be honest with yourself for a second? Or will you just disappear in the dust of yet another nonsensical conclusion you came to due to a guy completing 14 balls all year???

Even if Jimmy is the best downfield passer in the league,...anyone that has a reading ability of a 7th grader can see you lost this one the instant I replied,...because the stat you tried to use is absolute crap and argues AGAINST Jimmy's downfield passing prowess.

You already lost,...but just as with anything else,...it's too painful for you to admit.

You will come on here months later again asking for an apology for a stupid point made.
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I have nothing but respect for Kyle. Masterful job working with what he had. If we want to hoist a Lombardi anytime soon -- however -- piss-poor stats like NY just posted need to raise us from last among the bottom-feeding QBs in the league.

HA you were the one that's was arguing against something not worth arguing about for months. You went out of your way to debate/ridicule anyone that disagreed with you about Bosa. it's one thing to have an opinion. It's another to try and belittle people who don't agree with you. You haven't earned my respect in here...especially in regards to football knowledge for me to take anything you say seriously.

Disappear into the dust? The f**k you talking about? I haven't gone anywhere, bud. You're the one that disappeared after Bosa started doing everything that we ALL said he would do. I don't remember you jumping in there saying "welp I was wrong on that one" like many other have done. no one is right all the time.

FWIW You just proven my point! All you care about is arguing and debating in here. I think you're in the wrong forum, maybe stick to twitter if your agenda is arguing.

As far as JG and his deep ball passing...yes it's a small sample size. I gave you reasons as to why they might not have tested the deep ball as much. If that doesn't makes sense or jive with your stance on him. Fine I don't really care either way. All I did was post a article that broke down a multitude of deep passing analytics.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I think you both have valid points on this one. You know who else had a really good deep ball % even here. Alex Smith. It does helps when you only throw it once a game. But once KC acquired Hill and stressed it to him Alex did pretty good pushing it down the field. Not Mahomes good but he'll never be that. I don't think we have the personnel for Jimmy to be chucking it deep a bunch without forcing it and being inefficient at it. If we get a Reagor/ Hamler and it's still a problem.

Agreed. It IS a small sample size and I think there are many reasons as to why they didn't test the deep ball much this yr...like you said they didn't have the right personnel. We had injured OTs. IMO this team is built on running the ball (IOL is better run-blocking than PP). Pass game is all about getting the ball out quickly & getting YAC. It's not to say Jimmy is incapable of throwing it deep. I do expect them to add that aspect to the offense next yr (hopefully).

Just my opinion though

Originally posted by NYniner85:

You went out of your way to debate/ridicule anyone that disagreed with you about Bosa.

Predictably,..the mods will correct me about bringing Bosa up in this thread and ignoring you did,...but since you insist on including Bosa,... I argued 2 things:

1) He's considered injury prone until he comes in this year and proves otherwise. (and he did)

2) Let's stop the stupid stuff about he's not athletic. He clearly has freakish bend.

3) Arizona will not pass on him so let's argue about other players. (Lol this is the part where you argued we should take Brian Burns #2 overall) (Kyle ascended late and it looks like they made the right choice)

Anything outside of that is garbage you cant find and quote, because you're making it up.

You see how it's a mix of both sides? It's called objectivity.

You would love to make up fairytales that say otherwise,...lol. But reality is reality.

You really think you proved you knew something when you cheered for the top ranked player all of his last college season? Not exactly a shot in the dark.
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But enough deflecting and back to Bosa. Fact of the matter is anyone that will watch you continue to drag out less than 1 accurate downfield completion per game as proof of anything compared to guys chucking it 80 and 90 times a season down there shows that you simply don't know when to quit on something you made a mistake posting as proof.

On the list you provided,...he is far last in the # of downfield completions per game. We dont test downfield and when we do...the "gotcha" moments account for most of the measly 14 accurate completions.

Our downfield passing game -- especially around the boundaries -- is lacking until it's not. It needs to be addressed this offseason if we want to win a ring. If we just want to make the playoffs and cross our fingers,...then we are fine already.

Posting silly stats you didn't understand wont change it,...nor will it change that painfully-missed wide open Sanders throw for the game.

For the unrealistic: 3 inaccurate balls that were caught has that 14 going to 17 and gives Jimmy a 63% completion percentage in the league. Tops in the league among starters!! We are great!! No problems!

For the realistic: After the playoff run we had showing limited passing and missed opportunities,...do any of you not clearly see that that 27 attempts over 16 games is something we probably want to raise considerably this year if we can?? Compare how we did amongst other players,...many of whom missed time:



1) Give Kyler Murray pinpointing 30 of 49 deep downfield a break! It was his 1st season!! Remember that from a couple pages ago?

2) Someone brought up the WRs and blamed them,...lol...but what downfield threat WRs are breaking their legs to run and sign with us given limited opportunities such as this? Perhaps an older one akin to Sanders that wants a ring. But predictably, people would blame the lack of attempts on the WR not being young.

I like our WRs,...not going to try to cover my eyes and blame all of them for something that was clearly by design.

I love what Shanny is able to do, but quite clearly, we need expansion this year if getting better is at all possible.

Alex Smith > Jimmy Garoppolo

Originally posted by random49er:

For the unrealistic: 3 inaccurate balls that were caught has that 14 going to 17 and gives Jimmy a 63% completion percentage in the league. Tops in the league among starters!! We are great!! No problems!

For the realistic: After the playoff run we had showing limited passing and missed opportunities,...do any of you not clearly see that that 27 attempts over 16 games is something we probably want to raise considerably this year if we can?? Compare how we did amongst other players,...many of whom missed time:



Someone brought up the WRs and blamed them,...lol...but what downfield threat WRs are breaking their legs to run and sign with us given limited opportunities such as this? Perhaps an older one akin to Sanders that wants a ring. But predictably, people would blame the lack of attempts on the WR not being young.

I like our WRs,...not going to try to cover my eyes and blame all of them for something that was clearly by design.

I love what Shanny is able to do, but quite clearly, we need expansion this year if getting better is at all possible.

Ideally Shanny is going to have a Desean and a Garcon. Deebo is our Garcon and excels at the underneath routes and with picking up yac but we don't have a Desean to threaten teams vertically on a consistent basis. Sanders is in that role but also 33/ came in midseason. He's a fine placeholder though. Goodwin sucks and needs to go.

It's going to be thru the draft and you just got to hit the pick. But even without the deep balls It's more of a minor critique then a huge complaint because the o is good enough to be top 5 without them. Especially post picking up Sanders because Jimmy had close to Pro Bowl numbers. If he hit the Sanders pass and/ or we weren't screwed out of the Kittle play you'd have your big passes and we would of won the SB too.

Originally posted by random49er:

Predictably,..the mods will correct me about bringing Bosa up in this thread and ignoring you did,...but since you insist on including Bosa,... I argued 2 things:

1) He's considered injury prone until he comes in this year and proves otherwise. (and he did)

2) Let's stop the stupid stuff about he's not athletic. He clearly has freakish bend.

3) Arizona will not pass on him so let's argue about other players. (Lol this is the part where you argued we should take Brian Burns #2 overall) (Kyle ascended late and it looks like they made the right choice)

You see how it's a mix of both sides? It's called objectivity.

You would love to make up fairytales that say otherwise,...lol. But reality is reality.

You really think you proved you knew something when you cheered for the top ranked player all of his last college season? Not exactly a shot in the dark.
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But enough deflecting and back to Bosa. Fact of the matter is anyone that will watch you continue to drag out less than 1 accurate downfield completion per game as proof of anything compared to guys chucking it 80 and 90 times a season down there shows that you simply don't know when to quit on something you made a mistake posting as proof.

On the list you provided,...he is far last in the # of downfield completions per game. We dont test downfield and when we do...the "gotcha" moments account for most of the measly 14 accurate completions.

Our downfield passing game -- especially around the boundaries -- is lacking until it's not. It needs to be addressed this offseason if we want to win a ring. If we just want to make the playoffs and cross our fingers,...then we are fine already.

Posting silly stats you didn't understand wont change it,...nor will it change that painfully-missed wide open Sanders throw for the game.

Bringing up Bosa in't deflecting anything. It's an example of how you are in this forum with your comments. You go out of your way to argue and belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you. You find any sort of "fact" and label that as the only possible reality.

Bosa is a health concern because of genetics. His dad got hurt and his brother at some pt, so obviously he's gonna be hurt not realizing that it's football and people get hurt regardless.

He's got short arms, so he will suck vs tackles who have long arms (which is basically every tackle in the NFL) YET not bringing up that he's a technique savant with real power and + bend/explosion. Hero who's opinion I actually value backs up that comment as gibberish. BUT never the less you went on doing you...YouR comments come off as someone who thinks they know everyone and don't value other people's input or opinion EVEN if they are more knowledgeable then yourself from a football standpoint.

Back to JG.

I agree the sample size is small. I also gave some reasons as to why it might be....

-No deep threat
-Our best receiver is a TE who runs his routes in the middle of the field
-We lost our starting OTs for months
-Lost our best IOL PP after the saints game (where JG was airing it out)
-Look at our personnel overall, it is built to throw a f**k ton of vertical routes OR is it built to run the ball, get the ball out quickly, and get YAC?? Our IOL is clearly better at RB vs PP.
-SF actually had the most explosive plays in the NFL this yr and we're 2nd on overall pts. Didn't really need to throw the ball deep on low percentage plays.

Look I'm not gonna argue with you for an hr over this. It's Saturday and I'm not getting banned because of you.

I agree it's a small sample size BUT in that sample size he did well, which has been my pt with JG. That article was never intended to say he's Mahomes 2.0 and if you read the whole thing it talks about the good/bad....he's not incapable of throwing it deep. He needs help to negate pressure and have an actual deep threat.

I agree they need to add an outside threat and have that aspect of the offense.

Done arguing over this.

Originally posted by TheBhagwan:

Alex Smith > Jimmy Garoppolo

The only thing Alex has ever done better than Jimmy is throwing the ball way instead of forcing or taking a sack. His best attribute was not completing a pass lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Lol stats that posters themselves dont understand are so easy to pick apart. Back to those in a sec but 1st off....

Did you watch the same games we watched? He was great on busted coverages in the middle of the field. Do you have any stats for passes deep down the field outside the hashes?

Let's isolate THAT area. How often did we even test the field out over there with our WRs once you take Kittle's designed plays out?

You know what that does, right? It condenses the field for the defense,...something DBs and Safeties LOVE....which is going to be a problem sooner or later if the guy cant scramble or avoid negative plays consistently when the pressure comes.

Do you really deny that this was the case all season? If you dont test problem areas per your coaches masterful design,...and nearly all of your deep throws are on designs to Kittle or WRs streaking open down the middle of the field...OF COURSE YOUR ACCURACY IS GOING TO JUMP UP with alot fewer attempts, and with a coach that smartly plays to what you are good at.

I dont need a list sorted to look cute, yet doesnt address the areas we clearly see are lacking.

Me personally? I want that 51.85% to have a LOWER accuracy % and more attempts in 2020 (and completions if it's possible) especially down and outside by the boundaries. It stretches the field. Complete or thrown out of bounds (but I'll admit,...I dont know if he has the arm strength to?),...it makes the defense work harder. What concept of football are you guys missing here?

Now to pick apart this silly list posted on a whim:

1) that cute percentage is accounting for 14 accurate completions,...lol. 14!! That's less than 1 per game and is tied with Sam Darnold (missed 3 games),...and ahead of Casey Keenum, Jacoby Brissett, Drew Brees, Ryan Tannehill, Mason Rudolph, Kyle Allen, Joe Flacco.

2) In fact,...the only guy on this list of 32 with 14 or less completions that didn't miss (multiple) starts is..... Jimmy G. This list doesnt highlight Jimmy,...it calls him out. He was among the worst in the league at completing passes deep down the field,..and this is even mixing in the middle of the field.

3) He has 27 attempts on that list,...far and away less total and less per game than any other starter. Only Casey Keenum begins to get close and he was benched.

The thing is,...you just have to know what you are really looking at when you post.

And on Jimmy,... I like him! Give him Shanahan and outside of Kap he's our best QB since Steve Young IMO,...(I was never really a Garcia fan).

With a great team around him and a great coach, he at least gives you a chance. But I'm not gonna sit here and act like the way our field is shrunken on offense will not hurt us come playoff time,...nor am I going to pretend like he's an elite QB.

The book is out on our guy. We need marked improvement or a better solution if we want another trophy.

Oh look! he's back to throw out his subjective comments and try to act like he's smarter than everyone in here HA. You should do yourself a favor and say IMO after your comments.

Still waiting for my Bosa apology from you....

When asked to throw it deep he completed a good % of his passes. Plain and simple. Why don't you ask kyle why they didn't throw outside the numbers more? Go ask him why they didn't throw the ball deep more? I don't have an answer for that and neither do you.

Our best receiver for most of the season was Kittle. Guess where most of his routes are run??? They had no true deep threat for a good portion of the yr and had backup OTs playing for a while. All that s**t plays a part in how you can scheme. Who cares about "designed plays"? Last I saw that's the f**king job of our HC/OC to DESIGN plays to beat a coverage.

Jimmy's real issue with deep passing was when he was under pressure (like the article stated). There are multiple reasons for that. I'm also not saying he's some deep threat passing monster. I'm saying he CAN make those throws.

Post ACL injury and our only legit deep threat guy had butter fingers....and people wonder why we didn't go deep outside the numbers much? Wtf?

Everyone gets so hard up on the deep ball. Those TDs and plays are awesome and super exciting but end of the day they're not worth any more as far as points go. I don't care what QB you are a deep ball is a low % throw in comparison to short on intermediate stuff.

If you can consistently hit the short/mid stuff and move the chains and score points the deep ball isn't a necessity. Scheme wise having the deep ball threat obviously opens things up though but trying to chit on Jimmy cuz we didn't throw deep a bunch more is pure stupid.

Originally posted by TheBhagwan:

Alex Smith > Jimmy Garoppolo

Can mods just ban this dude? Clearly not here for anything but trolling with thus garbage.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bringing up Bosa in't deflecting anything. It's an example of how you are in this forum with your comments. You go out of your way to argue and belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you. You find any sort of "fact" and label that as the only possible reality.

Bosa is a health concern because of genetics. His dad got hurt and his brother at some pt, so obviously he's gonna be hurt not realizing that it's football and people get hurt regardless.

I havent been wrong about Bosa...aside from our opportunity to draft him. $1000 wired tomorrow if you find 1 post where I suggested he's going to be injured this year,...or we shouldntve drafted him because of injury problems.

Lol it's impossible for you to get that money because it's not posted here by me. You take the easy route,...which is jumping into different threads than the one u were beat up in and making up stuff that cant be quoted or sourced. No one is fooled.

Done arguing over this.

Over what? There's nothing to argue,....numbers are numbers.

Jimmy is a good QB that may not have what it takes to be the difference in the playoffs like a # of other QBs when needed. He's certainly serviceable.

Yet,...we may happen to have a great roster for 1-2 more years though,....and probably want to strike the iron while it's hot,....so therein lies the conflict.

There isin't an easy solution here aside from perhaps a change of pace guy like Tayson Hill mixing in (lol....Kap back here would be really outside the box,...but I'll entertain the thought at least)....or you know what? Jimmy proving people wrong and improving in a couple of the areas I listed.

Not saying it's impossible. Only saying dont come on here and make up stuff that deserves to be shot down as revisionist history. I dont know if we can just hide a QB throughout the playoffs because the running game is so good.

Our negative plays dropping back and deep outside game needs to get better if we're to win it all this year.

Originally posted by genus49:

Post ACL injury and our only legit deep threat guy had butter fingers....and people wonder why we didn't go deep outside the numbers much? Wtf?

Everyone gets so hard up on the deep ball. Those TDs and plays are awesome and super exciting but end of the day they're not worth any more as far as points go. I don't care what QB you are a deep ball is a low % throw in comparison to short on intermediate stuff.

If you can consistently hit the short/mid stuff and move the chains and score points the deep ball isn't a necessity. Scheme wise having the deep ball threat obviously opens things up though but trying to chit on Jimmy cuz we didn't throw deep a bunch more is pure stupid.

All kinda of reasons as to why they didn't chuck it deep more. SF did lead the league in explosive plays this yr, was 2nd in pts, and went 13-3...but hey let's throw Beathard back there and chuck it all game, I'm sure we'd win more games lol.

With all that said they do need a speed guy on the outside. Spreads the field out and helps everyone including our QB. Gonna need our IOL to PP a little better as well. We don't have kyler Murray running around to extend plays.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Bringing up Bosa in't deflecting anything. It's an example of how you are in this forum with your comments. You go out of your way to argue and belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you. You find any sort of "fact" and label that as the only possible reality.

Bosa is a health concern because of genetics. His dad got hurt and his brother at some pt, so obviously he's gonna be hurt not realizing that it's football and people get hurt regardless.

I havent been wrong about Bosa...aside from our opportunity to draft him. $1000 wired tomorrow if you find 1 post where I suggested he's going to be injured this year,...or we shouldntve drafted him because of injury problems.

Lol it's impossible for you to get that money because it's not posted here by me. You take the easy route,...which is jumping into different threads than the one u were beat up in and making up stuff that cant be quoted or sourced. No one is fooled.

Done arguing over this.

Over what? There's nothing to argue,....numbers are numbers.

Jimmy is a good QB that may not have what it takes to be the difference in the playoffs like a # of other QBs when needed. He's certainly serviceable.

Yet,...we may happen to have a great roster for 1-2 more years though,....and probably want to strike the iron while it's hot,....so therein lies the conflict.

There isin't an easy solution here aside from perhaps a change of pace guy like Tayson Hill mixing in (lol....Kap back here would be really outside the box,...but I'll entertain the thought at least)....or you know what? Jimmy proving people wrong and improving in a couple of the areas I listed.

Not saying it's impossible. Only saying dont come on here and make up stuff that deserves to be shot down as revisionist history. I dont know if we can just hide a QB throughout the playoffs because the running game is so good.

Our negative plays dropping back and deep outside game needs to get better if we're to win it all this year.

Lol right you were all about Bosa for sure....never bought up articles about genetics and how Bosa might be injury prone lol. You never brought up arm length being an issue, never talked about lack of top end athletics etc etc...I'm not scanning 900 pages of the Bosa draft thread. We all know what you said. You were wrong, it's cool happens. There's plenty of other posters that saw those posts as well.

Numbers can be manipulated to prove whatever you want. You can say Jimmy sucks because of all the INTs and I can say he was top 5 in TD throws. Both are true and neither is proof of anything. You can say he sucks at deep passing because he doesn't have many completions and I can say he was accurate on those passing attempts. Neither is absolute in proving anything at this pt. Kid doesn't have a large enough sample size in general to determine anything imo.

FWIW I'm not defending jimmy and I've actually been critical of him for the past month. He's got issues BUT there are things that led to those issues outside of just him and his play. All of that plays a part.

No one in here thought this was a super bowl roster back in August. They have things that they can improve on overall...AND the fact that they played as well as they did and still have places to improve, is a positive not a negative imo.

Not taking sides, but put me down for *All in with NY*....Lol.

Originally posted by TheBhagwan:

Alex Smith > Jimmy Garoppolo

This type of post is banworthy