Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

So far who is winning the trade (2nd round pick) for JG, us or the Pats?

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Not an easy question to answer but I'd say the 49ers

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
So far who is winning the trade (2nd round pick) for JG, us or the Pats?

?

Not an easy question to answer but I'd say the 49ers

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-complicated-haul-jimmy-garoppolo-trade-still-growing

Well, at least Jimmy G wasn't the worst QB on the field last night. Speight had trouble throwing a forward pass.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
So far who is winning the trade (2nd round pick) for JG, us or the Pats?

?

Not an easy question to answer but I'd say the 49ers

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-complicated-haul-jimmy-garoppolo-trade-still-growing

Meh, they should have just drafted a player with that 2nd rounder. This is what they got with that 2nd rounder:

In total, New England made 10 moves that involved at least one asset originating from the Garoppolo trade, netting six players:

CB Duke Dawson
LB Christian Sam
CB Joejuan Williams
RB Damien Harris
T Yodny Cajuste
QB Jarrett Stidham

Oh, and the book still isn't closed on this trade, as the Patriots have the Bears' fourth-rounder in next year's draft.

Meh.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Agree to disagree. Jimmy didnt look great before he got hurt last year, missed almost a full season rehabbing, has had mixed reviews in camp so far, and played horrendous in his first preseason action.

If you add all that up, I dont understand why me and others saying it is "concerning" is some off the wall, outlandish opinion to have.

Reluctantly I'm agreeing with you. I think Jimmy has some serious mechanical flaws with this throwing motion. From the waist up, he's ideal. He has a quick zippy delivery and that's ideal. What worries me the most is that he doesn't step into his throws and many of his throws are made with his body leaning every so slightly backwards. This is very troublesome!

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
JG looked like he hadn't played QB for a year!

lmao

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I'm more concerned with Jimmys footwork than his stat line.

This

What about his footwork? Half his throws, he didn't have any space to step into because the blitzer was hitting him.

Looked slow, not on the balls of his feet, not stepping up into a pocket. Things like that. I think it's probably a non factor though just like his stat line last night.

I'm all for criticizing when it's warranted but was there really much of a pocket to step up into? I certainly don't want him making that near pick 6 type of throw if he can't laser it in there(would actually prefer he see the DB in the area and throw the ball away).

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

So far who is winning the trade (2nd round pick) for JG, us or the Pats?

?

Not an easy question to answer but I'd say the 49ers

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-complicated-haul-jimmy-garoppolo-trade-still-growing

Meh, they should have just drafted a player with that 2nd rounder. This is what they got with that 2nd rounder:

In total, New England made 10 moves that involved at least one asset originating from the Garoppolo trade, netting six players:

CB Duke Dawson
LB Christian Sam
CB Joejuan Williams
RB Damien Harris
T Yodny Cajuste
QB Jarrett Stidham

Oh, and the book still isn't closed on this trade, as the Patriots have the Bears' fourth-rounder in next year's draft.

Meh.

I think Belichick didn't want to have a straight on comparison between Jimmy G and Player B. Although Stidham and Harris have looked good in preseason. I liked Williams and Cajuste in college. But I'd still say the 49ers won the trade we have seen what Jimmy can do when healthy and he's a difference maker.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
C'mon man, that's the most hater comment ever. No coach has ever actually believed that. Many will be confident in their chess game abilities but they still know it's all about execution by the players on the field. That's why Walsh, Holmgren and Shanny sr were absolute sticklers about every last detail of every play. Because for things to work later, they have to work now. When that happens, it's unstoppable. But they never expect themselves to just, "wow" everybody.

Also, what have teams done to, "adjust" to Kyle's system? For real? I want to know. You guys act like this was an actual game with a game-plan and scripted plays. It wasn't. We didn't even see Jimmy run a bootleg slide concept which is a staple of this offense. It looked like we ran 2 of the oldest concepts in the game just to get some simple reads going. We ran a couple china concepts and a slant/flat. I couldn't see what the other batted pass was, but it wasn't like we were running the kinds of plays Shanny is so great at. Why show that stuff in pre-season? No point. You can work on it in practice just as easily.

you are right. there is no fancy dancy adjustment to kyles so called system... the other teams defense just does a pass rush and we fold. if you are not concerned about our pass protection. you are just whistling past the end zone my friend. and yes,, last year we saw teams do the adjustments and we come out stumbling in the second half of games. as if we are stunned other teams figured us out. thus all the losses. thus unable to win on the road.. then you thrown in our team was not ready to play many games last year. which is totally on your coach

This is classic CC deflection off what he said. You said Kyle thinks he can just wow people and that other teams won't adjust. I said nothing about not being concerned about pass protection. Really. Not. One. Word.

You're talking in such generalizations you sound like Cohn. "last year we saw teams do the adjustments and we come out stumbling in the second half of games." Go watch the KC game and tell me the same thing.

Football is constant, punch, counter-punch. "As if we are stunned other teams figured us out." LOLOLOLOL. C'mon, it wasn't like we were running Chip Kelly's playbook where he only had 75 plays and only ran 20 per game. For real, I actually kept a playbook of Chip Kelly's time here, I drew out all the plays and he only ran 75 different plays all year. Shanny has well over 300 plays and adjustments in those plays. I've watched the games and when we struggled containing a pass rusher, guess what we'd do. We'd start chipping with a TE or RB or keep a TE in to block or run play-action on an outside receiver sweep to get a DE to stem outside. But no, you're right, because you say we didn't make any adjustments it must mean we didn't.

Just because there are other factors besides the play-calling happening doesn't mean the coach didn't make adjustments. I don't think you realize how stupid you're calling Kyle if he weren't to make adjustments. That's the kind of crap Jim Hostler did. If you can't see the difference between Kyle and Hostler.......maybe we need to have you evaluated.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I'm more concerned with Jimmys footwork than his stat line.

This

What about his footwork? Half his throws, he didn't have any space to step into because the blitzer was hitting him.

Looked slow, not on the balls of his feet, not stepping up into a pocket. Things like that. I think it's probably a non factor though just like his stat line last night.

I'm all for criticizing when it's warranted but was there really much of a pocket to step up into? I certainly don't want him making that near pick 6 type of throw if he can't laser it in there(would actually prefer he see the DB in the area and throw the ball away).

Not a great pocket no. And I think if it's a regular season game he would step into the throws and take the hit. He played not to get hurt which I do not mind as long as in week 1 the issues are gone.

Jimmy T. O'Sullivan

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Right -- but then did the Broncos 2nd string not also have exposure to the playbook? Because players from the same opposing team were being exploited by the exact same offense they were exposed to all week. And since the ones played the ones and the twos played the twos... it's not a matter of a talent mismatch.

Sorry I got lost in what you said. Did you mean why did CJ and Mullens get plays with playaction and Jimmy didn't?

In short, I took your thought to be "They had a jump on Garoppolo because they saw the offense all week."

What I'm saying is that the rest of the Broncos roster was also exposed to the Shanahan offense all week... but were dominated by it once the twos and threes came in. Why would they not, similarly, have the jump on Mullens/Beathard? Apologies if I'm misunderstanding your initial thought.

So I'm only addressing the, "why didn't Jimmy have any playaction passes?". Here were the two plays that I think are examples as to why Jimmy did not run any playaction, situations Kyle may have wanted to avoid. Few things to keep in mind, the two teams have scrimmaged very recently, DEN runs a similar offense, Fangio may have told his defenders "don't fall for that".


I know there's little gameplanning in the preseason, but after seeing so many bootlegs in practice, DEN defenders aren't likely to keep falling for it, and may be looking for it. Every single Jimmy pass came out of shotgun. That's a coach being ultra protective.

Originally posted by thl408:

So I'm only addressing the, "why didn't Jimmy have any playaction passes?". Here were the two plays that I think are examples as to why Jimmy did not run any playaction, situations Kyle may have wanted to avoid. Few things to keep in mind, the two teams have scrimmaged very recently, DEN runs a similar offense, Fangio may have told his defenders "don't fall for that".


I know there's little gameplanning in the preseason, but after seeing so many bootlegs in practice, DEN defenders aren't likely to keep falling for it, and may be looking for it. Every single Jimmy pass came out of shotgun. That's a coach being ultra protective.

Yeah those bootlegs Denver has been seeing all offseason and that's Dakota Watson so he's been seeing it for longer. Props to Kyle for seeing that and exploiting it with the big run with Mostert.

Came here for OVER REACTION tuesday, got it!

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
The decision-making is my concern, but perhaps he needs only time. Even in the five victories in 2017, Jimmy threw 5 interceptions vs. 7 TDs. He started 2018 by throwing 3 interceptions against Minnesota. But then he threw no picks against Detroit or KC. Perhaps Jimmy just needs time. During his five games at New England, he threw zero picks vs. 5 TDs. He had two years of practice before he replaced Brady in 2016. He hasn't had that yet here.

People always forget the Garoppolo threw a soul crushing (and what would have been a game-losing) pick 6 vs. Detroit. He was bailed out by an unrelated penalty.

People always forget that we had a comfortable lead in that game against Detroit, until our sieve-like defense started to give up yards in bunches and got gashed continually.

His performance in that game was excellent. His performance in the first 2.5 games was excellent. Every single one of those games would have gone into the win column, except the defense could not stop anything or anybody. The Chiefs were scoring at will against us in that third game last year, forcing Jimmy to make some very unusual and unsafe plays in an attempt to play catchup.

The fact that our defense could stop anyone or couldn't hold a lead isn't the QB's fault. Had Jimmy G. been given a defense that gave up an average of 17 points a game, he probably would not have been injured and the 49ers would have gotten off to a 3-0 start.