QB CJ Beathard - signs with Jacksonville | Page 491

slowriot · 2017-04-28T20:36:13-07:00

"He processes the game so well, tough as s---. Got a chance. He reminds me a lot of Kirk Cousins" - head coach Kyle Shanahan HEIGHT: 6'2" WEIGHT: 219LBS. ARM LENGTH: 30 5/8" HANDS: 9 3/8" DRAFT ANALYSIS: "C.J. Beathard had mostly fifth-, sixth-round grades from the teams I spoke with. Obviously has great NFL lineage, the Beathard name famous for talent evaluation, and I thought his tape was down a little bit this year. I thought he was better as a junior. Very smart, understands where to go with the football, better arm than expected when you really sit down and study him. I haven't seen him live, and the people who went to his Pro Day told me he had an excellent day." -- Mike Mayock OVERVIEW A lot of people know that the Hawkeyes' signal caller is the grandson of former NFL general manager Bobby Beathard -- but now C.J. is a father in own right after he and his girlfriend welcomed a girl (Lyla) into their world in December. He was the most prolific quarterback in Tennessee his final two years of high school (runner-up for one of the state's Mr. Football awards). As a redshirt freshman, Beathard played a little (9-27, TD, two INT) and the following year he saw the field more often (nine games, one start, 645 yards, five TD, two INT). He was given the reins of the offense as a junior, earning team MVP and second-team All-Big Ten honors by completing 61.6 percent of his passes for 2,809 pass yards, 17 touchdowns and just five interceptions. Beathard wasn't as effective as a senior (56.5 completion pct, 1,929 yards, 147TD, 10 INT) but is still considered a solid developmental prospect. ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Played in pro-style passing attack, working under center and from shotgun. Capable and confident rolling out. Squares shoulders to deliver strikes. Completed 57 percent of his passes outside of the pocket at Iowa. Showed improved touch on short throws. Footwork and pocket mechanics look solid. Throws with some natural accuracy despite pedestrian completion percentage. Better tape in 2015 as he had to overcome injuries to key targets in 2016. Has the arm strength to throw the deep out without laboring. Trusts his line and keeps eyes downfield. Plays with relatively calm demeanor. Good feel and timing for screen game. Knee brace slowed him some during senior season, but he has ability to escape the heat. Team leader with ability to handle adversity. Won't take unnecessary chances. WEAKNESSES Hesitation is a noticeable issue. Often late to pull trigger on throws toward the sideline, forcing receivers into boundary and out of the catch. Slow field scanner who tends to lock into a single side. Too much eye-balling and not enough manipulating. Poor feel for pocket pressure. Two-year sack total of 58 is too high in play-action attack. Anchors deep in pocket and rarely climbs pocket to safe harbor. Oblivious to backside pressure until it's too late. Needs more air under the long ball. Deep-ball accuracy has been terrible. Completed under 30 percent of throws beyond 20 yards in last two seasons at Iowa. Completed just 43 percent of throws beyond line of scrimmage to right sideline. DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 6-7 NFL COMPARISON Tom Savage BOTTOM LINE Pro-style quarterback who dealt with nagging injuries to key pass catchers and himself in 2016. His 2015 tape was more impressive, but deep-ball accuracy issues, poor pocket awareness, and unnecessary hesitation as a passer shows up in both seasons. Beathard plays checkers with safeties rather than chess, which could always hinder his ability to attack down the field with success. Could be a career backup who finds himself in the action at some point down the road. -Lance Zierlein

Oct 5, 2018 at 6:08 AM

#7351

NYniner85
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Although the game sealing play is one where Jimmy likely gets the ball out in time, Beathard did a couple things I hadn't seen Jimmy do yet, and that's deliver accurate deep passes and show a willingness to step into hits while keeping sound footwork in the pocket to make a play.

I hope Beathard continues to build on what he did last week to push Jimmy to be even better.

While I was impressed with beathard (my overall bar is low for him to begin with) and he will make SF games watchable, but outside of that pass to kittle (which he was wide open) what other deep pass did he attempt (and was successful) last week? I don't remember any?

I think that was a part of jimmy's game that he made strides in over the off season.

CJ looked a lot more in control compared to last yr which is nice. His accuracy looked better from the preseason. He still holds onto the ball wayyyyy too long. He's gotta see those blitzes and can't be afraid to throw the ball away instead of taking a sack.

All in all, I'm feeling a little better with him in there after watching this game.

Oct 5, 2018 at 6:14 AM

#7352

English
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Originally posted by Debryune:
Originally posted by scottym:
CJ (tough) Basthard.

this, I like.

yep!

Oct 5, 2018 at 6:27 AM

#7353

Willisfn4life
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Originally posted by scottym:
CJ (tough) Basthard.

That's awesome

Oct 5, 2018 at 9:01 AM

#7354

Ensatsu
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His toughness is what this team needs right now.

Since this team seems to be soft as marshmallows with 10+ injuries per game.

Oct 5, 2018 at 9:03 AM

#7355

Kolohe
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Hopefully the 9ers can get a 1st or 2nd round pick for him one day.

This is Beathard's chance to shine and if he can help guide the 9ers to maybe 7-9, teams may give the 9ers a call next off season!! Green Bay could use a good back up QB.

Trying to act like the Pats ya know!!!

Trust me I laughed typing that, then I just said screw it...press post!!!

Oct 5, 2018 at 9:25 AM

#7356

OnTheClock
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Although the game sealing play is one where Jimmy likely gets the ball out in time, Beathard did a couple things I hadn't seen Jimmy do yet, and that's deliver accurate deep passes and show a willingness to step into hits while keeping sound footwork in the pocket to make a play.

I hope Beathard continues to build on what he did last week to push Jimmy to be even better.

While I was impressed with beathard (my overall bar is low for him to begin with) and he will make SF games watchable, but outside of that pass to kittle (which he was wide open) what other deep pass did he attempt (and was successful) last week? I don't remember any?

I think that was a part of jimmy's game that he made strides in over the off season.

CJ looked a lot more in control compared to last yr which is nice. His accuracy looked better from the preseason. He still holds onto the ball wayyyyy too long. He's gotta see those blitzes and can't be afraid to throw the ball away instead of taking a sack.

All in all, I'm feeling a little better with him in there after watching this game.

Beathard last week, I think someone posted a stat, had less time to throw per pass attempt than any quarterback in the league has had so far this year. I want to believe that wasn't true but hard to ignore the numbers. I feel like maybe the perception that he holds it too long is overblown due to fans not realizing our line hasn't been pass blocking very well since Jimmy can escape rushes a lot of times with his quickness or fast release. With both tackles hurt last game and him still doing what he did, I was impressed.

Oct 5, 2018 at 12:55 PM

#7357

qnnhan7
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He thinks the team can make the playoffs. Should be put on concussion protocol for saying that.

Oct 5, 2018 at 1:03 PM

#7358

NYniner85
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Beathard last week, I think someone posted a stat, had less time to throw per pass attempt than any quarterback in the league has had so far this year. I want to believe that wasn't true but hard to ignore the numbers. I feel like maybe the perception that he holds it too long is overblown due to fans not realizing our line hasn't been pass blocking very well since Jimmy can escape rushes a lot of times with his quickness or fast release. With both tackles hurt last game and him still doing what he did, I was impressed.

I would imagine that is true due to the fact we lost both starting tackles...I'm not just talking about last game, this even goes back to college (holding onto the ball lack of pocket awareness). Dude was sacked 58x in two yrs at Iowa.

Not bashing him because he looked much more confident back there...he's gotta pull the trigger though. OL needs and WRs need to help him as well

Oct 5, 2018 at 1:07 PM

#7359

SLCNiner
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Hopefully the 9ers can get a 1st or 2nd round pick for him one day.

This is Beathard's chance to shine and if he can help guide the 9ers to maybe 7-9, teams may give the 9ers a call next off season!! Green Bay could use a good back up QB.

Trying to act like the Pats ya know!!!

Trust me I laughed typing that, then I just said screw it...press post!!!

Yes! Let's now trade one of the few players on this team that's tough enough to play in the league. Brilliant!

Oct 5, 2018 at 1:17 PM

#7360

kujon11
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one thing i didn't notice before is that his passes kind of flutter. seems to not have an issue hitting all the passes though

Oct 5, 2018 at 7:23 PM

#7361

LVJay
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
He thinks the team can make the playoffs. Should be put on concussion protocol for saying that.

LOL more than likely not gonna happen

However

If we find a way to sweep Tards and beat Raiders / Giants at Levis, that'll be 5 wins going into the bye week...................

Oct 5, 2018 at 7:38 PM

#7362

brodiebluebanaszak
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I like CJ. If we had a d, he would win games for us. He is better than last year.

Oct 5, 2018 at 7:58 PM

#7363

Ark49er
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The box was stacked to try and control the run game while making CJ try and beat you. No team has or ever will stack the box and make Jimmy prove he can beat you with the passing game. Maybe Zona will play it straight up and not dare Beathard to beat them with the passing game. Hopefully the run game picks it up this week.

Oct 5, 2018 at 8:05 PM

#7364

ilikecheerleaders
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Although the game sealing play is one where Jimmy likely gets the ball out in time, Beathard did a couple things I hadn't seen Jimmy do yet, and that's deliver accurate deep passes and show a willingness to step into hits while keeping sound footwork in the pocket to make a play.

I hope Beathard continues to build on what he did last week to push Jimmy to be even better.

While I was impressed with beathard (my overall bar is low for him to begin with) and he will make SF games watchable, but outside of that pass to kittle (which he was wide open) what other deep pass did he attempt (and was successful) last week? I don't remember any?

I think that was a part of jimmy's game that he made strides in over the off season.

CJ looked a lot more in control compared to last yr which is nice. His accuracy looked better from the preseason. He still holds onto the ball wayyyyy too long. He's gotta see those blitzes and can't be afraid to throw the ball away instead of taking a sack.

All in all, I'm feeling a little better with him in there after watching this game.

Beathard last week, I think someone posted a stat, had less time to throw per pass attempt than any quarterback in the league has had so far this year. I want to believe that wasn't true but hard to ignore the numbers. I feel like maybe the perception that he holds it too long is overblown due to fans not realizing our line hasn't been pass blocking very well since Jimmy can escape rushes a lot of times with his quickness or fast release. With both tackles hurt last game and him still doing what he did, I was impressed.

Not less than any QB in the league. He had 2.57 seconds to throw, JG had 2.75. Before the last game, JG was ranked #15 in time to throw. At 2.57 seconds, CJ would be tied for 25th, with Luck and Dalton. NFL Next Gen stats modified their report this week, making 38 passes qualifying, so he's not on it right now. I snapped a screenshot though.

TT is time to throw.

As for deep passes, CJ hit 4 passes over 20 yards and 1 pass over 40 yards last Sunday.

He threw for 298 yards, 2 TDs, 2 questionable INTs, 19 yards rushing. But the best stat is only 1 sack behind a swiss cheese OL.

[ Edited by ilikecheerleaders on Oct 5, 2018 at 8:09 PM ]

Oct 6, 2018 at 7:32 AM

#7365

tohara3
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Originally posted by ilikecheerleaders:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Although the game sealing play is one where Jimmy likely gets the ball out in time, Beathard did a couple things I hadn't seen Jimmy do yet, and that's deliver accurate deep passes and show a willingness to step into hits while keeping sound footwork in the pocket to make a play.

I hope Beathard continues to build on what he did last week to push Jimmy to be even better.

While I was impressed with beathard (my overall bar is low for him to begin with) and he will make SF games watchable, but outside of that pass to kittle (which he was wide open) what other deep pass did he attempt (and was successful) last week? I don't remember any?

I think that was a part of jimmy's game that he made strides in over the off season.

CJ looked a lot more in control compared to last yr which is nice. His accuracy looked better from the preseason. He still holds onto the ball wayyyyy too long. He's gotta see those blitzes and can't be afraid to throw the ball away instead of taking a sack.

All in all, I'm feeling a little better with him in there after watching this game.

Beathard last week, I think someone posted a stat, had less time to throw per pass attempt than any quarterback in the league has had so far this year. I want to believe that wasn't true but hard to ignore the numbers. I feel like maybe the perception that he holds it too long is overblown due to fans not realizing our line hasn't been pass blocking very well since Jimmy can escape rushes a lot of times with his quickness or fast release. With both tackles hurt last game and him still doing what he did, I was impressed.

Not less than any QB in the league. He had 2.57 seconds to throw, JG had 2.75. Before the last game, JG was ranked #15 in time to throw. At 2.57 seconds, CJ would be tied for 25th, with Luck and Dalton. NFL Next Gen stats modified their report this week, making 38 passes qualifying, so he's not on it right now. I snapped a screenshot though.

TT is time to throw.

As for deep passes, CJ hit 4 passes over 20 yards and 1 pass over 40 yards last Sunday.

He threw for 298 yards, 2 TDs, 2 questionable INTs, 19 yards rushing. But the best stat is only 1 sack behind a swiss cheese OL.

Thanks for the stats there