Reuben Foster

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
MadDog is just butt hurt they didn't draft his crush Vander bust. It's all he has beat the table for leading up to the draft.Didn't happen so he is going to belittle a niners player as much as possible to make himself feel right. Time will tell if this was right or wrong.

Wash your mouth out, MadDog is the Webzone equivalent of Jimmy G, you should show respect.

don't disrespect the Jimmy

Never disrespect MadDog, he's a Webzone treasure.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Izyniner:
MadDog is just butt hurt they didn't draft his crush Vander bust. It's all he has beat the table for leading up to the draft.Didn't happen so he is going to belittle a niners player as much as possible to make himself feel right. Time will tell if this was right or wrong.

Wash your mouth out, MadDog is the Webzone equivalent of Jimmy G, you should show respect.

don't disrespect the Jimmy

Never disrespect MadDog, he's a Webzone treasure.

for some, mine are 408 and jonnydel.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

It is the hypocracy of the people who defend him. Let's be real. If he was playing for any other NFL team, he would be classified as a thug, a troublemaker, a loser. Because he is "one of us", people run to his defense as if he is a martyr.

The dude has been arrested twice since being a pro, failed a drug test, got kicked out of the combine and was passed by nearly every team in the draft because of character concerns. He hangs out with a shady woman who fights with others while he has a 9 year old daughter. Not sure why anyone would celebrate this guy as one of us.

It is a shame his family was so screwed up as a kid, but he is now a man with a family and team and. Franchise. And, being a guy who is continually in trouble with the law, whether you like some of the laws or not, is not acceptable to me. I'd rather have good players with good character than losers who continually attempt to sabotage the franchise. Instead of celebrating last year's movement forward, the team has to deal with his crap. It is a waste of time and energy for a team desperately needs a leader, not a guy with two strikes against him in the NFL drug protocol system after one year and someone surely up for a ssuspension regardless of this DV case.

People should be pissed off that he puts himself above the team through his behavior, instead of defending him. So, hell yeah. I am angry

So true.

805 said what many of us feel. then the defenders demand to know what other incidents he has been involved in. posters point them out but its like they are just pissin into the wind. the foster defenders or foster denials are very strong

While I agree to most of what all of you have said, especially the bit about blind defending of a player without knowing the details.

I can see an immature, troubled young man, who loves football and his teammates, and his teammates love him, I think that shows he isn't a bad person at heart.

I really think he'll never give us any trouble in the season, but yes I'm worried about him in the offseason.

He makes terrible decisions and seems to have anger and control issues, but I'm not giving up on him yet, he has the outlet of football in season, he needs to find one in the offseason.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
It is the hypocracy of the people who defend him. Let's be real. If he was playing for any other NFL team, he would be classified as a thug, a troublemaker, a loser. Because he is "one of us", people run to his defense as if he is a martyr.

The dude has been arrested twice since being a pro, failed a drug test, got kicked out of the combine and was passed by nearly every team in the draft because of character concerns. He hangs out with a shady woman who fights with others while he has a 9 year old daughter. Not sure why anyone would celebrate this guy as one of us.

It is a shame his family was so screwed up as a kid, but he is now a man with a family and team and. Franchise. And, being a guy who is continually in trouble with the law, whether you like some of the laws or not, is not acceptable to me. I'd rather have good players with good character than losers who continually attempt to sabotage the franchise. Instead of celebrating last year's movement forward, the team has to deal with his crap. It is a waste of time and energy for a team desperately needs a leader, not a guy with two strikes against him in the NFL drug protocol system after one year and someone surely up for a ssuspension regardless of this DV case.

People should be pissed off that he puts himself above the team through his behavior, instead of defending him. So, hell yeah. I am angry

So true.

805 said what many of us feel. then the defenders demand to know what other incidents he has been involved in. posters point them out but its like they are just pissin into the wind. the foster defenders or foster denials are very strong

While I agree to most of what all of you have said, especially the bit about blind defending of a player without knowing the details.

I can see an immature, troubled young man, who loves football and his teammates, and his teammates love him, I think that shows he isn't a bad person at heart.

I really think he'll never give us any trouble in the season, but yes I'm worried about him in the offseason.

He makes terrible decisions and seems to have anger and control issues, but I'm not giving up on him yet, he has the outlet of football in season, he needs to find one in the offseason.

I don't know - he's made some mistakes, but this situation is all about his girl friend. She's the one who concocted this whole thing.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
While I agree to most of what all of you have said, especially the bit about blind defending of a player without knowing the details.

I can see an immature, troubled young man, who loves football and his teammates, and his teammates love him, I think that shows he isn't a bad person at heart.

I really think he'll never give us any trouble in the season, but yes I'm worried about him in the offseason.

He makes terrible decisions and seems to have anger and control issues, but I'm not giving up on him yet, he has the outlet of football in season, he needs to find one in the offseason.

i think it is perfectly reasonable to be wary of waking up every sunday morning and seeing foster doing something bad on saturday night. did that with aldon all the time

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
While I agree to most of what all of you have said, especially the bit about blind defending of a player without knowing the details.

I can see an immature, troubled young man, who loves football and his teammates, and his teammates love him, I think that shows he isn't a bad person at heart.

I really think he'll never give us any trouble in the season, but yes I'm worried about him in the offseason.

He makes terrible decisions and seems to have anger and control issues, but I'm not giving up on him yet, he has the outlet of football in season, he needs to find one in the offseason.

i think it is perfectly reasonable to be wary of waking up every sunday morning and seeing foster doing something bad on saturday night. did that with aldon all the time

lol, the stuff you worry about

it's been over a year and only one incident, (if the DV case drops)

Every team needs one knucklehead.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Basically, the judge has to determine if he thinks it's credible that the victim in question is plausibly lying about it not happening. If he feels there's enough evidence to show that she's lying now and for a jury to see the evidence, things will move forward. If not, it won't go any further than the preliminary hearing.

I'd be really surprised to see a plea deal - especially with Foster's attorney looking for a quick trial. They feel like the onus is all on the prosecution to prove that the victim is lying and that Foster really did harm the woman.

If Foster really didn't hurt her, he shouldn't agree to any plea deal IMO. I wouldn't. I just think this case is gonna be too hard to get 12 people to all agree that he, without a doubt, did it.

From her new story and video to the claim by the DA that he punched her 8-10 times in the head and all she had from that was a swollen lip and ruptured ear drum.... I mean...c'mon. A guy the size of Foster is punching someone, out of rage, 8-10 times, they're gonna have some serious damage done, to the point where you'd probably be able to see the marks on her today.

*IF* the truth is that he didn't hit her, then I agree - I'd pursue a trial on both a moral and ethical point of view to exhonorate himself. But if the *truth* is that he did hit her (in some fashion - and only he would know that in his heart of hearts) I'd settle. First of all, it's more a buisness decision than a legal or moral decision at that point. If he can plea down the charges, he has a good chance of getting back on the field with the 49ers before somebody takes his job permanently. Uncertainty is bad for business, that's why businesses always settle if the uncertainty materially affects their business, even though the truth is that they are not guilty and the facts are arguable.

Reuben still has the Alabama drug issue and he's still on Goodell's substance watch program (as far as I know) and he's running out of *get out of jail cards.* He is lucky the Victim is recanting her testimony in the DV issue, I don't know if he'll be as lucky in the Alabama case - ie from an evidence point of view. He has potential technical violations both in obstruction of justice and a firearms charge here in Calif. - those don't go away even with the Victim's recantation. If he does proceed to trial, he potentially will have to appear on both cases and attorney's aren't cheap, specially if they are good. If he settles, both sides can stipulate to not reveal more information than what is already on public knowlege - that protects him from Goodell's investigations with regards to the NFLconduct policy. That eliminates one legal case and he can concentrate on the Alabama issue and possibly plead that down to a lesser charge too. Then once the Alabama case is settled, he can focus on his appeal of his possible suspension from the NFL. Fighting a 3 front war and still trying to play football is not the best strategy to keep his job and play well, in my opinion.

The gun charge will be at most a fine and the gun gets taken away.
And the weed, I've read here it's a 2nd degree charge which is just having some weed (not a lot) in his car. He hasn't tested positive for weed as of now

A good friend of mine is a cop in Tuscaloosa, no he wasn't the one who arrested Foster, but I asked him and Alabama law is that at 2nd degree it was less than 2 ounces IIRC.

If both of you are right, then I think the DA would be amenable to a settlement (or should be considering the negative publicity that might happen to him and his office, if the DA loses the case to Reuben), ie possibly drop all charges in exchange for community service/public service kind of penalty. Or, as 49ersATT said, a fine and loss of the gun. Same with the Alabama case, from a business point of view (not a legal point of view), Reuben should do his best to pursuade the DA to be lenient and settle it with him. As of right now, the DA has no case against Reuben on the DV issue with the DA's main witness so hostile to the DA.

So has many games do we now think he's gonna miss?

Originally posted by Lobo49er:
So has many games do we now think he's gonna miss?

I'll wait until it's 100% certain that he isn't going to jail before I worry about that.

As for the gun violation, this is not Aldon Smith...who had a gun in his suitcase or something like that in the airport. Another time he said the word BOMB in the airport and someone, a law enforcement or TSA guy, heard him. Also Reuben is not the NYG WR(?) who carried a gun into a bar/nite club and then proceeded to shoot himself in the groin. (Really). Reuben is a guy from another state having a weapon in his house . (Yes it was loaded, but i don't know if one was in the chamber or not). So the DA can run with this gun violation all he wants but this is an entirely different kettle of fish from the Aldon gun episodes. Also another time Aldon had a party , it got out of hand and he touched off a cap in the middle of all the revelers. (Really). again, this was NOT Reuben.

Now, if the DA really has no case with the recant, and i were Reuben's atty, i would certainly consider mentioning to him that his client just wants this to go away, and he will have no intention of saying anything about the case nor the DA in public....which if Reuben did nothing wrong, he might make some verbal complaints about the DA later. IF i were reuben's Atty, i would tell him Reuben just wants this behind him and not a word gets repeated hereafter. Just want the DA to know that and that there are no hard feelings in an otherwise bizarre case.

Also i would repeat the Aldon episodes and let the DA know that this is NOT Aldon #2.

Then, i think ,i would go home and start saying the beads..and hope this goes away. Also as has already happened, Reuben just needs reminding if he even J walks again he is adios. And not just from here but anywhere. Then, i think, i would go home and repeat saying the beads.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

So has many games do we now think he's gonna miss?

8 is the minimum. Imo

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
As for the gun violation, this is not Aldon Smith...who had a gun in his suitcase or something like that in the airport. Another time he said the word BOMB in the airport and someone, a law enforcement or TSA guy, heard him. Also Reuben is not the NYG WR(?) who carried a gun into a bar/nite club and then proceeded to shoot himself in the groin. (Really). Reuben is a guy from another state having a weapon in his house . (Yes it was loaded, but i don't know if one was in the chamber or not). So the DA can run with this gun violation all he wants but this is an entirely different kettle of fish from the Aldon gun episodes. Also another time Aldon had a party , it got out of hand and he touched off a cap in the middle of all the revelers. (Really). again, this was NOT Reuben.

Now, if the DA really has no case with the recant, and i were Reuben's atty, i would certainly consider mentioning to him that his client just wants this to go away, and he will have no intention of saying anything about the case nor the DA in public....which if Reuben did nothing wrong, he might make some verbal complaints about the DA later. IF i were reuben's Atty, i would tell him Reuben just wants this behind him and not a word gets repeated hereafter. Just want the DA to know that and that there are no hard feelings in an otherwise bizarre case.

Also i would repeat the Aldon episodes and let the DA know that this is NOT Aldon #2.

Then, i think ,i would go home and start saying the beads..and hope this goes away. Also as has already happened, Reuben just needs reminding if he even J walks again he is adios. And not just from here but anywhere. Then, i think, i would go home and repeat saying the beads.

Prayer works!
https://youtu.be/SrcPy3HiiUk

No new leaks, huh?

Originally posted by mayo49:
No new leaks, huh?

no leaks that discredit the vid either