Solomon Thomas, DT

Originally posted by tjd808185:

It's laughable that people think that no other rookie would make a difference here. We lost 5 games by under 3 points with little offense whatsoever but Watson wouldn't do anything here. Nope. Just ignore that he's leading the league in TD's because Houston apparently had the #1 ranked offense last year. If we keep saying it someone will believe us that it's true. I'll give you guys a hint. Watson's ability to extend plays allows Fuller to get open down the field. Obviously they got more talent than us but the 3-4 plays Watson would make a game would easily have given us some wins this year.

Lattimore would have no impact here because we have no pass rush. Ever think that a good secondary allows you to be more aggressive? Cameron Jordan is nice but outside of him how much is on that d line. Fairly got hurt for the year.

Common sense isn't allowed in here.

Apparently one is supposed to wait 3 years to get anything out of a 3rd overall pick because two other guys had 2 sacks each through 8 games 15 years ago.

It's quite normal to expect nothing out of top 5 draft picks and when other players are doing well on other teams that we could have had there is no way they would have the same success here.

Rinse and repeat 2500 times in the same thread.

That about sums up the church.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
It's laughable that people think that no other rookie would make a difference here. We lost 5 games by under 3 points with little offense whatsoever but Watson wouldn't do anything here. Nope. Just ignore that he's leading the league in TD's because Houston apparently had the #1 ranked offense last year. If we keep saying it someone will believe us that it's true. I'll give you guys a hint. Watson's ability to extend plays allows Fuller to get open down the field. Obviously they got more talent than us but the 3-4 plays Watson would make a game would easily have given us some wins this year.

Lattimore would have no impact here because we have no pass rush. Ever think that a good secondary allows you to be more aggressive? Cameron Jordan is nice but outside of him how much is on that d line. Fairly got hurt for the year.

Ever think our coaches teach different things and expect different things out of our corners? We're playing Thomas all over the place instead of keeping him in role that he's most comfortable in....yet you expect same results as Lattimore has in New Orleans?

Maybe you can mix and match in Madden easy enough but time and time again we've seen successful players go to different teams and suddenly drop off in play.

Nnamdi Asomugha is probably one of the better examples.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
It's laughable that people think that no other rookie would make a difference here. We lost 5 games by under 3 points with little offense whatsoever but Watson wouldn't do anything here. Nope. Just ignore that he's leading the league in TD's because Houston apparently had the #1 ranked offense last year. If we keep saying it someone will believe us that it's true. I'll give you guys a hint. Watson's ability to extend plays allows Fuller to get open down the field. Obviously they got more talent than us but the 3-4 plays Watson would make a game would easily have given us some wins this year.

Lattimore would have no impact here because we have no pass rush. Ever think that a good secondary allows you to be more aggressive? Cameron Jordan is nice but outside of him how much is on that d line. Fairly got hurt for the year.

I think that's fair...but the thing is we won't actually know either-way cause they aren't on our team end of the day. Watson has two stud WRs and I'd have to say that OL is better than ours. Still Watson has been much better than expected, also the reality of it is he should have been the top pick looking back....he shouldn't have been available if we're doing what ifs.

Latt has been coming on, good for him and the Saints...I don't see a CB as worthy of the 3rd overall pick end of the day (I wouldn't have hated him if we traded further down). I actually like Witherspoon, he was one bright spot yesterday.

None of them are final products that's the whole point...the DL position IMO isn't a spot that shows instant monster production in most cases. Hence why people bring up productive DL that really didn't show their full potential as a rookie.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think that's fair...but the thing is we don't actually know eitherway cause they aren't on our team end of the day. Watson has two stud WRs and I'd have to say that OL is better than ours. Still Watson has been much better than expected, also the reality of it he should have been the top pick looking back and shouldn't have been available if we're doing what ifs.

Latt has been coming on, good for him and the Saints...I don't see a CB as worth a 3rd overall pick end of the day (I wouldn't have hated him if we traded further down). I actually like Witherspoon, he was one bright spot yesterday.

None of them are final products that's the whole point...the DL position IMO isn't a spot that shows instant monster production in most cases.

Watson IMO is the only guy you can make a case for over Thomas at this point just because he's playing awesome and he's a QB. However if Kyle Shanahan passed on him then it is what it is. Not only are his playmakers much better with Houston but his scheme isn't as complicated and O'Brien knows he's on the hot seat, him adjusting his scheme for a rookie QB isn't a big deal, especially because he has the players around him to make it work.

We hired Kyle for his scheme, it would be stupid to have him come here and then change it around for a player even if it's a QB. It took Matt Ryan a good year to master the offense but Watson would've been picking it up right off the bat? I think Watson is a terrific young man but I don't see that happening. Too giant of a leap from his Clemson system to Kyle's scheme.

And yes all these guys could've come here and looked like studs but that's all hypothetical. We have no idea and considering the state of our team I'd put money on them not looking as good as they are in their current situations.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Common sense isn't allowed in here.

Apparently one is supposed to wait 3 years to get anything out of a 3rd overall pick because two other guys had 2 sacks each through 8 games 15 years ago.

It's quite normal to expect nothing out of top 5 draft picks and when other players are doing well on other teams that we could have had there is no way they would have the same success here.

Rinse and repeat 2500 times in the same thread.

That about sums up the church.

Explains why there are none to be found in your posts.

What seems like common sense...

Let a young kid play and see what he turns into before his rookie contract is up....or judge him as a finished product midway through his rookie season?

Any news on the timeframe for him returning? 3 weeks? 6 weeks (or more)?

Originally posted by genus49:

Ever think our coaches teach different things and expect different things out of our corners? We're playing Thomas all over the place instead of keeping him in role that he's most comfortable in....yet you expect same results as Lattimore has in New Orleans?

Maybe you can mix and match in Madden easy enough but time and time again we've seen successful players go to different teams and suddenly drop off in play.

Nnamdi Asomugha is probably one of the better examples.

What role is Thomas suited best for?

Originally posted by ltrain:
Any news on the timeframe for him returning? 3 weeks? 6 weeks (or more)?

It's at least 6 weeks from what is being reported. I doubt Shanny will rush him back to the line.

Originally posted by genus49:

Explains why there are none to be found in your posts.

What seems like common sense...

Let a young kid play and see what he turns into before his rookie contract is up....or judge him as a finished product midway through his rookie season?

3rd. Overall. Pick. Who has done nothing.

Is that enough sense for you??

What you are saying is we basically took a project at #3 right?? Holy hell is your logic twisted man.

I'm sorry to tell you but we don't have 4 years to see if the 3rd overall pick is better than street free agents.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

It's at least 6 weeks from what is being reported. I doubt Shanny will rush him back to the line.

Good. Leger Douzable is 10x the player Soloman is.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
What role is Thomas suited best for?

The same one you claimed a few months ago.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Good. Leger Douzable is 10x the player Soloman is.

lol...ok

Originally posted by genus49:

Watson IMO is the only guy you can make a case for over Thomas at this point just because he's playing awesome and he's a QB. However if Kyle Shanahan passed on him then it is what it is. Not only are his playmakers much better with Houston but his scheme isn't as complicated and O'Brien knows he's on the hot seat, him adjusting his scheme for a rookie QB isn't a big deal, especially because he has the players around him to make it work.

We hired Kyle for his scheme, it would be stupid to have him come here and then change it around for a player even if it's a QB. It took Matt Ryan a good year to master the offense but Watson would've been picking it up right off the bat? I think Watson is a terrific young man but I don't see that happening. Too giant of a leap from his Clemson system to Kyle's scheme.

And yes all these guys could've come here and looked like studs but that's all hypothetical. We have no idea and considering the state of our team I'd put money on them not looking as good as they are in their current situations.

So let me get this straight.

We are not allowed to be concerned with Soloman's poor play because he is a rookie and we are supposed to wait 4 year until his rookie contract is up to reserve judgment and the rookies who are playing well elsewhere would suck here too.

Gotcha.

For the record on Watson. Y'all better go check how Fuller and Hopkins did last year without Watson. Also, is their Oline better than ours? Is Miller better than Hyde? Is their group of unknown TE's better than ours? Is O'Brien a better coach than Shanny?

The answers to those are NO.

Originally posted by genus49:

The same one you claimed a few months ago.

Ok. I agree with you on that.

But why isn't he playing there now?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think that's fair...but the thing is we don't actually know eitherway cause they aren't on our team end of the day. Watson has two stud WRs and I'd have to say that OL is better than ours. Still Watson has been much better than expected, also the reality of it he should have been the top pick looking back and shouldn't have been available if we're doing what ifs.

Latt has been coming on, good for him and the Saints...I don't see a CB as worth a 3rd overall pick end of the day (I wouldn't have hated him if we traded further down). I actually like Witherspoon, he was one bright spot yesterday.

None of them are final products that's the whole point...the DL position IMO isn't a spot that shows instant monster production in most cases.

Watson IMO is the only guy you can make a case for over Thomas at this point just because he's playing awesome and he's a QB. However if Kyle Shanahan passed on him then it is what it is. Not only are his playmakers much better with Houston but his scheme isn't as complicated and O'Brien knows he's on the hot seat, him adjusting his scheme for a rookie QB isn't a big deal, especially because he has the players around him to make it work.

We hired Kyle for his scheme, it would be stupid to have him come here and then change it around for a player even if it's a QB. It took Matt Ryan a good year to master the offense but Watson would've been picking it up right off the bat? I think Watson is a terrific young man but I don't see that happening. Too giant of a leap from his Clemson system to Kyle's scheme.

And yes all these guys could've come here and looked like studs but that's all hypothetical. We have no idea and considering the state of our team I'd put money on them not looking as good as they are in their current situations.

agreed...Watson seems to have those Wilson type qualities and while he threw for a buttload of yards and TDs he also threw 3 INTs yesterday (and a pick 6). That was my main issue with him in college...how will he translate to a pro-style and can he actually not be a turnover machine.

Kyle wants who he wants at QB and like you said we brought him in for his scheme. So why not find the guy who best fits that? They got LT deals so they could have time to find the right guys.

People can't be patient apparently.