Solomon Thomas, DT

There is only one person in this thread with an agenda, but thanks.

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Does anyone in this thread even common sense anymore?

Well, I do. I ban people that are just trying to be irritating.

Still pulling for Solly to step his game up.

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Still pulling for Solly to step his game up.

Yes. Agreed. Pulling for Solly Thomas can playing at NT/DT his game this Sunday!

Originally posted by JustWin2019:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
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I turned a lot of clips into gifs before the Ravens game just to realize tiny pic is not an option anymore and I don't know how to post self made gifs now so I went back and made a video, and I gotta say it was much more fun. Unfortunately I had a lot of things come up so I haven't had time to post much on here period, let alone go back and forth with Solomon's mother/part time psyhcic.

There's a lot to discuss, I unlocked peak trolling with myself, and I learned more about all Dline on the team with the rest of the DLine videos to come(considering Thomas is supposed to be comparable interior passrusher and the best run defender on the team). Let the "justwin" spin begin and a more in depth breakdown to follow.

...Oh, and I seriously apologize in advance.

So after being challenged to come up with examples from the Arizona game...the first clip is you going back to LAST YEAR to find a clip of him at DEFENSIVE END.

Do you see how ridiculous you are being?

You also reveal just how embarrassingly little you know about the game with these clips.

1. Thomas is not responsible for the gap outside a WR blocking down. He doesn't have the angle and his gap is inside. WR #83 picking off two other defenders on that run was what sprung that run, however.

2. LOL, after delaying and delaying the very next clip is you using this last game. Yes, Thomas over-pursued against zone blocking on this play (that cutback is the key to zone blocking). He was nowhere near as bad there as your hero, D.J. Jones, was against this vs. the Rams on the first drive of that game, however.

3. Hey look, in a video about RUN DEFENSE, you included a PASS PLAY (where he reads screen on what was, in fact, a screen). And you have the gall to act snarky in this video where you make a complete fool of yourself? Christ.

4. This is a good play by Thomas. He perfectly occupies a double team (neither blocker is able to peel off and block an unblocked defender) and keeps Tartt (who was lined up at linebacker on this play; Dre Greenlaw is covering the slot) completely free. The problem is Tartt got trucked by Peterson, instead of stopping this for what should have been no more than a gain of 2. Football. Novice.

5. And, just as I predicted. You don't grasp recognition or gap responsibility. At all. Thomas set the defense up to stop this by correctly recognizing where the play was going and jumping across the guard to his outside shoulder, despite originally being responsible for the A gap. Greenlaw's inability to beat the WR to the edge was what sprung the run here. I especially love how you post every play twice (because you couldn't find anything) and then insert irrelevant attempts at lowbrow meme crap after plays that show just how little you know about the game.

6. Oh goodie, your buddies in this thread tipped you off to this one. 3 weeks of running away for this.

7. Hey look, another play from LAST YEAR. Remember that Cardinals game we were talking about 4 weeks ago? Here, Thomas gets his foot stepped on and loses his balance. That's what happens when you're off balance and a pulling guard blind sides you (that's JR Sweezy, whom Thomas has dominated one-on-one in their matchups).

8. Hey look, yet another play from LAST YEAR. And this is a scheme F up by Saleh (badly timed run blitz). He was doing exactly what the coaches asked of him on that play.

9. A pass play where Murray rolls out and throws an incompletion? Like...that's your example of a lowlight against the run?

10. YES, another pass play where Thomas is surrounded by about 4 linemen on what turns into a sack. Excellent work here, bro.

11. Lookie here, ANOTHER pass play...this time when he's lined up at DE. He doesn't do anything against the OT at DE. You sure showed me!

12. Another pass play where Thomas, at DE, gets chipped by the WR and held. More excellent work by you.

13. A pass play from last year where Thomas is at DE.

I mean, are you so new to football that you don't even know the difference between a running play and a passing play? Seriously?

Not only are you clueless, but you are a liar. You clearly never played football. You are a novice. Every single post of yours is an embarrassment.

Like, you literally just owned yourself with that video.

Dear Mrs. Thomas,

You're like the guy who makes fun of someone with a crap car yet doesn't even own one. Where is your video? Where is your evidence? You posted these obscure links that (at least for me) showed full games instead of linked to specific plays... so you complain, make asinine claims and yet I'm the one who is putting in more effort to show examples.

*Another note: My comments below and whole lens for doing this is focused on your claims Thomas is an elite run defender, strongest player on the team, best athlete, and prototypical size/ frame for a lineman, and he's "never had negative plays" blah blah blah.

1. The point is not the angle or that he should have made that play (although Bosa has made that play), it shows just how terrible he is when engaged with a blocker and how his hands/feet aren't working together. He drops his hands and even a WR can block him easily. If you ever played football you know that your comments about how weight room strong someone is means absolutely nothing when they can't use their hands and translate it onto the field. Watch Bosa to see how a good dlineman looks when engaged, example #1 of how terrible Thomas' balance and hands/feet are when engaged.

2. Your argument on this play is that one time someone else did worse? Good one! Just admit that he doesn't use his hands and got engulfed/ran way out of the way and this happens consistently. The only reason he had production in college was that he could fire out and overpower terrible lineman in the pac 12 and got away without using his hands. Now that he's playing against grown men and this won't get it done. You've said consistently that the result of the play matters in terms of judging players (it doesn't) so on this play Kamara has a huge run in Thomas' gap. Keep digging that hole for yourself.

3. I added this to show how Thomas 1. Terrible instincts 2. Does a lot of fake hustling. If you played football you would know what I'm talking about every team has them. What he does is pumps his arms and acts like he's trying to get involved in the play but he never wants to. If he would have ran towards to RB he could have made a TFL. Unlike Bosa, Buckner, and AA they might make a wrong step but they flow to the football. Half of Thomas' game film is him acting like a safety running behind the play. He's not a playmaker, he's not anything right now.

4. This isn't his worst play by any means but this is one of the best run defenders in the NFL we are talking about he can do better than that. The center and guard are trying to get movement on him and that's exactly what they were able to do. Pushed him to the side and even turned him around while opening that B gap. Again he doesn't try to use his hands and gets turned to his side (not a big deal) but he doesn't try to get back in position and gets pushed out of the play. What you would want to see is anchor better and he tried, but he's getting overpowered and his feet are on skates.

5. GAP RESPONSIBILITY?! On this play? Are you a personal trainer? Cause I'm certain you run a spin class.

This is where I know you're full of it. Do you really think this is a good play? You do know its possible not to get bent in half 4 yards down the field trying to anchor against a double team right? My god. Again, prototypical Thomas play... fires off, no hand usage, feet suck/aren't married to hands, moved and controlled easily by the offensive lineman. PANCACKED.

6. So now you don't have an excuse you just try to change the subject? Same as last play. PANCACKED.

7. Here come the excuses. His foot got stepped on? Are you sure about that? Nah. I don't think it was but maybe I'll try all 22 for another angle. Even if it was WATCH SOLOMON'S HANDS! They suck! he can't even get rid of an OL who is trying to go the second level. It's embarrassing honestly. The way he was thrown by the guard is another example of how terrible his balance is... just awful.

8. You're not getting it. He was doing his assignment but once you know the play is being cut back, elite run defenders disengage and make the play. He doesn't because he's not even close to an elite run defender. So far he's been blocked easily with one guy and that guy maybe a WR. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get blocked by a kicker tbh.

9. Added these to show how awful he is at pass-rushing from any spot (since you said he's comparable to Buckner and AA). This may be the worst passrush I've ever seen. He pretends to have a motor but if he really did it would be towards the play. He's running around acting like a FS not even passing the line of scrimmage. This isn't just a one-time thing this happens A LOT. And if he wasn't a top 3 pick he would be benched by 32 teams with this kind of "hustle".

10. You keep saying the result of the play matters but only when it helps your argument.

11 & 12. I just posted these to show how the "high motor" label you want to give him is bogus. If he's not getting enough playing time we should more of this "motor" people have been talking about. I don't see it and anyone who actually gives an unbiased take on Thomas can see that he takes more plays off and plays fewer snaps.

You really are not in touch in reality. I'm very happy you posted though cause now...

Originally posted by northoakland510:
Still pulling for Solly to step his game up.

Same. Most of us are. The time is now.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
He is healthy, which is more than half the DL can say. This would be a great time for him to go on a tear.

And, if AA leaves next year - Solly will probably take his spot.

If so, then I hope ST replicates AA's new found excellence.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Dear Mrs. Thomas,

You're like the guy who makes fun of someone with a crap car yet doesn't even own one. Where is your video? Where is your evidence? You posted these obscure links that (at least for me) showed full games instead of linked to specific plays... so you complain, make asinine claims and yet I'm the one who is putting in more effort to show examples.

*Another note: My comments below and whole lens for doing this is focused on your claims Thomas is an elite run defender, strongest player on the team, best athlete, and prototypical size/ frame for a lineman, and he's "never had negative plays" blah blah blah.

1. The point is not the angle or that he should have made that play (although Bosa has made that play), it shows just how terrible he is when engaged with a blocker and how his hands/feet aren't working together. He drops his hands and even a WR can block him easily. If you ever played football you know that your comments about how weight room strong someone is means absolutely nothing when they can't use their hands and translate it onto the field. Watch Bosa to see how a good dlineman looks when engaged, example #1 of how terrible Thomas' balance and hands/feet are when engaged.

2. Your argument on this play is that one time someone else did worse? Good one! Just admit that he doesn't use his hands and got engulfed/ran way out of the way and this happens consistently. The only reason he had production in college was that he could fire out and overpower terrible lineman in the pac 12 and got away without using his hands. Now that he's playing against grown men and this won't get it done. You've said consistently that the result of the play matters in terms of judging players (it doesn't) so on this play Kamara has a huge run in Thomas' gap. Keep digging that hole for yourself.

3. I added this to show how Thomas 1. Terrible instincts 2. Does a lot of fake hustling. If you played football you would know what I'm talking about every team has them. What he does is pumps his arms and acts like he's trying to get involved in the play but he never wants to. If he would have ran towards to RB he could have made a TFL. Unlike Bosa, Buckner, and AA they might make a wrong step but they flow to the football. Half of Thomas' game film is him acting like a safety running behind the play. He's not a playmaker, he's not anything right now.

4. This isn't his worst play by any means but this is one of the best run defenders in the NFL we are talking about he can do better than that. The center and guard are trying to get movement on him and that's exactly what they were able to do. Pushed him to the side and even turned him around while opening that B gap. Again he doesn't try to use his hands and gets turned to his side (not a big deal) but he doesn't try to get back in position and gets pushed out of the play. What you would want to see is anchor better and he tried, but he's getting overpowered and his feet are on skates.

5. GAP RESPONSIBILITY?! On this play? Are you a personal trainer? Cause I'm certain you run a spin class.

This is where I know you're full of it. Do you really think this is a good play? You do know its possible not to get bent in half 4 yards down the field trying to anchor against a double team right? My god. Again, prototypical Thomas play... fires off, no hand usage, feet suck/aren't married to hands, moved and controlled easily by the offensive lineman. PANCACKED.

6. So now you don't have an excuse you just try to change the subject? Same as last play. PANCACKED.

7. Here come the excuses. His foot got stepped on? Are you sure about that? Nah. I don't think it was but maybe I'll try all 22 for another angle. Even if it was WATCH SOLOMON'S HANDS! They suck! he can't even get rid of an OL who is trying to go the second level. It's embarrassing honestly. The way he was thrown by the guard is another example of how terrible his balance is... just awful.

8. You're not getting it. He was doing his assignment but once you know the play is being cut back, elite run defenders disengage and make the play. He doesn't because he's not even close to an elite run defender. So far he's been blocked easily with one guy and that guy maybe a WR. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get blocked by a kicker tbh.

9. Added these to show how awful he is at pass-rushing from any spot (since you said he's comparable to Buckner and AA). This may be the worst passrush I've ever seen. He pretends to have a motor but if he really did it would be towards the play. He's running around acting like a FS not even passing the line of scrimmage. This isn't just a one-time thing this happens A LOT. And if he wasn't a top 3 pick he would be benched by 32 teams with this kind of "hustle".

10. You keep saying the result of the play matters but only when it helps your argument.

11 & 12. I just posted these to show how the "high motor" label you want to give him is bogus. If he's not getting enough playing time we should more of this "motor" people have been talking about. I don't see it and anyone who actually gives an unbiased take on Thomas can see that he takes more plays off and plays fewer snaps.

You really are not in touch in reality. I'm very happy you posted though cause now...

It's pretty clear at this point that you're some child whom mommy is letting use the computer. What a rambling, juvenile, embarrassing post.

Not sure why I'm even continuing to waste my time on you.

You put in more effort to show examples? You told me FOUR weeks ago that you would give me "time stamps" FROM THE ARIZONA GAME of Thomas STRUGGLING INSIDE VS. THE RUN. You proceeded to run away and return after having gone back to last year to get a few plays, using pass plays, and using plays of him at defensive end. In total, you showed exactly 4 whole plays of Thomas inside on a running play from this season, and only 1 from the Arizona game we were talking about. Of those 4 plays, one was perfect play vs. a double team, another was him being double teamed and neither blocker blocking anybody else on a play that went nowhere near him. Oh, and you also used two plays from AFTER that Arizona game, just to further show that you had absolutely nothing at the time you were talking crap.

And I provided numerous examples that worked just fine for everybody else.

1. He was blocked only because of the angle. And he's in his gap. There is absolutely nothing wrong with his hand use on this play. Furthermore, if you're going to go the weight room vs. "playing strength "route, what you are then criticizing is the coaching staff for not teaching him properly. Because anybody can learn technique. Technique is not ability. Lastly, this was a play at defensive end and shows absolutely nothing pertaining to what we were discussing. You can't even stick to the argument because you have absolutely no facts to support it.

2. Funny, because that's Harris's gap. And no, it does not happen regularly. If it happened regularly you wouldn't have taken 4 weeks to come up with a video with only 4 plays of him against the run while playing inside this year. Also, that's not what "engulfed" means. Thomas is not engulfed; he's pursuing from the backside and, against zone runs, it's very easy to over-pursue and run yourself out of a chance to play the cutback. I bring up D.J. Jones because you think he's awesome, yet that first drive against the Rams game, he was far worse than this. Your criticism is selectively applied to Thomas. No player is perfect, but only with Thomas do certain posters on this forum try to magnify his mistakes.

3. OK, you're an alt. I have seen this exact same comment, almost word-for-word, from one of your alts. This is just pure nonsense from someone who never played football. "Fake hustling"...Christ. And no, Murray looks him off and Thomas mistakenly thinks there's somebody underneath on the other side when there isn't. And again, you're not including these plays to "show" anything. You're including them because you couldn't come up with the actual goods when I challenged you.

4. The goal of any combination block is to get movement and peel off on the linebacker. If you don't/can't peel off, that's a failure to execute. And as I have said before, nobody is going to completely anchor two directions at once. For the umpteenth time, here's Dana Stubblefield in his prime (universally regarded as one of the best run defenders in the NFL during this time) showing all the things I've been saying about taking on double teams: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFHykAMerjI&t=3m28s . You would whine about him getting "blown off the ball" on this play, yet that post blocker committing to him as long as he did on the down block is what allowed Gary Plummer to stuff that run. And notice, the only reason Stubblefield's journey "on skates," as you put it, ever even stops where it does, is the left guard recognizes Plummer is coming in unblocked and he tries to react but is too late. The problem is, Tartt ain't Gary Plummer.

5. Do you see either lineman peeling off and blocking another defender? Do you see the run going anywhere near him? There isn't a player in the league who could actually anchor against a post blocker with that wide an angle. And he's even chipped by the center initially, making this a quasi-triple team.

6. I'm simply pointing out how you ran away for four weeks and completely changed the argument. This is Thomas trying to force tie up a double team on a play not designed to double team him. You see, things like this could be learning experiences if he hadn't been spending 95% of his snaps at defensive end his first two years.

7. Yes, his foot was stepped on. https://i.imgur.com/ejN3xdG.jpg . That'll affect your balance. And watch #78's left leg after he steps on Thomas's foot.

8. I don't think there's a guy in the league who would have actually made that play in that situation. He's already out of the play before a lineman even touches him. Blocked by WRs? How about blocked by QBs? Lance Briggs must have sucked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ62ipz1EFE

While you're complaining about Thomas being in his gap and not freelancing his way around wide receiver blocks when he was at DE back in 2018, Dre Greenlaw is letting receivers kill him and actually failing to turn runs back inside. Priorities.

9. Again, Thomas has literally chased plays down from 20 yards back to make tackles, both in college and in the pros. In that clip where Buckner gets obliterated vs. a double team in the Lions game last year that I posted the gif of, Thomas may have prevented a touchdown by chasing down the ball carrier from several yards back. That's just one of many examples of him staying with plays. There was a play in his first preseason game vs. the Chiefs where he chased something else down from way back, just off the top of my head. There was a play in the Redskins game his rookie year as well which the color commentator pointed out. Oh, and as for pass rush - first of all, you're not going to win every rep. When he was playing inside (before Blair's injury), he had a higher QB hits per snaps played ratio than Buckner or Armstead. As I said, let's see how he does when he's getting 40+ snaps per game inside. Even Aaron Donald wouldn't be doing much more than Thomas with Thomas's low inside snap counts. Oh yeah, and on this play, Thomas is reacting to the fake. As soon as he sees Murray rolling right, he moves in the same direction. What do you want him to do, teleport there?

10. You keep showing plays that have nothing to do with the actual argument. And again, what's wrong here? He was double teamed and Murray started moving around. There's absolutely nothing to note there.

11 & 12. 11 Has nothing to do with motor and everything to do with Thomas being a DT who has no moves off the edge and trying to bull rush a Pro Bowl OT. He's horrible at playing DE. Nobody ever said otherwise. 12...again, not sure what you're expecting from him. You want him to play Junior Seau style out-of-control and just run himself to exhaustion on plays he's out of?

Yeahhh. I'm done. No more. Lol.

Come back please when Thomas is playing for league minimum in a couple years for a garbage team.

If that's with this account or another one after you get banned again for breaking webzone rules.

I tried guys. I really did.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Yeahhh. I'm done. No more. Lol.

Come back please when Thomas is playing for league minimum in a couple years for a garbage team.

If that's with this account or another one after you get banned again for breaking webzone rules.

I tried guys. I really did.

who got banned?

also...

Please this young man show up ASAP ! I don't blame Lynch and Shanahan for taking him 3rd overall, his tape is amazing, so crazy how he hasn't translated his skill over as of now.

Solly NEEDS to join Von Miller's pass rushing summit AND train with the Bosa brothers in the off season if he wants to turn his career around.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

For real.