Robert Saleh - Head Coach - Tennessee Titans

ANNOYING.... can anyone just send a message to MT BALDY and tell him to just GET THE JOB DONE... with all the 1st rounders we have on DL, we should just be able to LINE THEM UP!!!

Originally posted by 9moon:
ANNOYING.... can anyone just send a message to MT BALDY and tell him to just GET THE JOB DONE... with all the 1st rounders we have on DL, we should just be able to LINE THEM UP!!!

I kind of agree. I'm not too worried about who lines up where. Sometimes with talented guys you just need to let them play. If you make them think too much they lose their athletic advantage.

Originally posted by 9moon:
ANNOYING.... can anyone just send a message to MT BALDY and tell him to just GET THE JOB DONE... with all the 1st rounders we have on DL, we should just be able to LINE THEM UP!!!

i wish he would just shut up. its almost like they are trotting him out there to build him up cuz they know alot of fans have just about had it with him. the fact that we had three threads in here last year which were allowed to defend him is besides the point

Originally posted by NCommand:

"This is what we're born to do!" @iamdeeford and defensive line coach Kris Kocurek were mic'd for the first padded practice of #49ersCamp. pic.twitter.com/7cVPCmxd6N

— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) July 30, 2019

Kocurek is going to prove to be such a big hire. He's going to have these boys hunting QBs!!!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Dude, how cool is that!? We get insight from a former NFL player who played in Kocurek's front.

So, that answers that question: this is a good ol' shoot'em up, bang bang, one-gapper.

Day should be perfect next to Buckner. From inactive to a key cog in this defense. That might be good news for Solomon Thomas at 2i???

Freaking great stuff NC! I was thinking the same exact thing about Thomas

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:

"This is what we're born to do!" @iamdeeford and defensive line coach Kris Kocurek were mic'd for the first padded practice of #49ersCamp. pic.twitter.com/7cVPCmxd6N

— San Francisco 49ers (@49ers) July 30, 2019

Kocurek is going to prove to be such a big hire. He's going to have these boys hunting QBs!!!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Dude, how cool is that!? We get insight from a former NFL player who played in Kocurek's front.

So, that answers that question: this is a good ol' shoot'em up, bang bang, one-gapper.

Day should be perfect next to Buckner. From inactive to a key cog in this defense. That might be good news for Solomon Thomas at 2i???

I don't know honestly. Day is solid, but think about the other guys we have that could play that same position. As you mentioned, Solomon Thomas, but let's not forget Street who is far away not only more explosive athletically, but unquestionably superior in raw power as well. Day is roughly 6-1 290 or so. Street is about the same (6-2 290ish). I think that may be the battle to watch. I definitely want to see how Street performs.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Finally, some confirmation on what I suspected all along. Saleh 'could' nix the amount W9 is run but I highly doubt it. Remember, coach Z ran the DL including personnel groupings last year. ShanaLynch specifically competed hard and won the Kocurek sweepstakes and then subsequently, went and got personnel to match his aggressive alignment. This is going to be a predominant alignment, early and often, base and nickel.

This is from a player who played in the W9 under Kocurek:

There are some HIGH exceptions for the @49ers D Line in 2019..@flu_dot_com keeps it 💯👀 pic.twitter.com/ZjugRppCYp

— NFL Total Access (@NFLTotalAccess) July 28, 2019

Andre! Awesome take here. How often does Kocurek use the wide-9 alignment in base and nickel/dime? With Bosa, Ford, Buckner and Thomas/Armstead, how often to you expect it to be used with the 49ers current personnel?

— NCommand (@NCommand55) July 29, 2019

Very often. Alot will defend on the the coordinator, but we used it effectively against the pass & run. What it takes to be effective against the run is a really good three technique DT that can penetrate upfield & maintain his gap. if not, it's succeptible against the run

— Andre Fluellen (@flu_dot_com) July 30, 2019

Andre is the man!!!

More answers...explains why Day may be starting over Jones right now?

One more question Andre, if possible. We know Buckner will wreck shop at 3T but with W9, are there essentially two true 3T's 1-gapping or is one player still playing more 1T and two-gapping? A mix inside?

— NCommand (@NCommand55) July 30, 2019

1) So another really important position is the 2tech (playing either head up on the guard or shaded inside). In all actuality, the 2texh needs the be the most explosive interior player, the 3tech needs to have a little more balance & control. Here is why...

— Andre Fluellen (@flu_dot_com) July 31, 2019

2) playing a 1T puts alot of stress on the LB that may have the b gap, because there is ALOT of distance between the 1t and the 5t (defensive end). Playing the 2T (or 2i) helps balance out the integrity of the defense...

— Andre Fluellen (@flu_dot_com) July 31, 2019

3) so the 2tech has to be EXTREMELY quick because he's almost at a disadvantage to the offensive guard to get cut out of his gap. So it's all one gap, no reading or 2 gapping! In the words of Kris Kocurek "read is a 4 letter word!"

— Andre Fluellen (@flu_dot_com) July 31, 2019

Good information, and I understand the value of the wide 9 against 11 personnel on first and 3rd downs and short. I kind of agree with it. The wide 9 is a very good alignment if you want to put *pass pressure* on the QB without blitzing.

However, I think it can negate Bosa's quickness and hand speed and explosion in going after the passer or shedding blocks against the run, specially if he's on the OT's shoulders vs lining up yards away from the OT. Again, my pet peeve with the wide 9 is the angles against the run, and the wide spits it gives offenses to exploit on off tackle and trap plays. Wide 9 puts a lot of pressure on the two inside DT's to gap penetrate and gumm up the works as per the George Pearlas one gap penetration scheme back in the days, and again on 3rd and short or first and 10, even with 11 personnel - unless they are the rams kind of offense that pass more than run - I have misgivings using wide 9 on those downs.

What I'd rather use is the 3-3-5 personnel that Belicheat uses, and going with a typical over or under look without the wide splits of the wide 9 creating creases in the defense. Both Bosa and Ford can be hybrid OLB/DE's in that kind of a defense a la Haley as the Elephant and DE. Or just go straight nickel with a typical four man rush and run blitz if teams are running against the nickel.

Originally posted by Giedi:

What I'd rather use is the 3-3-5 personnel that Belicheat uses, and going with a typical over or under look without the wide splits of the wide 9 creating creases in the defense. Both Bosa and Ford can be hybrid OLB/DE's in that kind of a defense a la Haley as the Elephant and DE. Or just go straight nickel with a typical four man rush and run blitz if teams are running against the nickel.

Belichick doesn't play a "3-3-5." They do so much trying to qualify them is a mistake, and trying to duplicate what Belichick does is impossible because he's always evolving his scheme to fit his personnel.

James Light did an amazing breakdown on some of Belichick's current scheme. Go to his Twitter and search his posts if you really want to dive into what Belichick does. But be warned: it's a f**king ton of stuff lol.





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I wish we could pin posts so this one doesn't get lost in the shuffle. I know jd/thl would love to see this since there was a discussion about the gapping in the wide 9

Originally posted by NCommand:
Andre is the man!!!

More answers...explains why Day may be starting over Jones right now?

One more question Andre, if possible. We know Buckner will wreck shop at 3T but with W9, are there essentially two true 3T's 1-gapping or is one player still playing more 1T and two-gapping? A mix inside?

— NCommand (@NCommand55) July 30, 2019

1) So another really important position is the 2tech (playing either head up on the guard or shaded inside). In all actuality, the 2texh needs the be the most explosive interior player, the 3tech needs to have a little more balance & control. Here is why...

— Andre Fluellen (@flu_dot_com) July 31, 2019

2) playing a 1T puts alot of stress on the LB that may have the b gap, because there is ALOT of distance between the 1t and the 5t (defensive end). Playing the 2T (or 2i) helps balance out the integrity of the defense...

— Andre Fluellen (@flu_dot_com) July 31, 2019

3) so the 2tech has to be EXTREMELY quick because he's almost at a disadvantage to the offensive guard to get cut out of his gap. So it's all one gap, no reading or 2 gapping! In the words of Kris Kocurek "read is a 4 letter word!"

— Andre Fluellen (@flu_dot_com) July 31, 2019

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Giedi:

What I'd rather use is the 3-3-5 personnel that Belicheat uses, and going with a typical over or under look without the wide splits of the wide 9 creating creases in the defense. Both Bosa and Ford can be hybrid OLB/DE's in that kind of a defense a la Haley as the Elephant and DE. Or just go straight nickel with a typical four man rush and run blitz if teams are running against the nickel.

Belichick doesn't play a "3-3-5." They do so much trying to qualify them is a mistake, and trying to duplicate what Belichick does is impossible because he's always evolving his scheme to fit his personnel.

James Light did an amazing breakdown on some of Belichick's current scheme. Go to his Twitter and search his posts if you really want to dive into what Belichick does. But be warned: it's a f**king ton of stuff lol.

New England Patriots 4-3 Even Front I just talked about vs Titans. 2 Gap & 1 Gap Hybrid. Very tough to run the ball against. First example is with Tampa 2 Coverage. Second is with 3 Buzz Coverage (SS Buzz). pic.twitter.com/dnskxkrgFp

— James Light (@JamesALight) January 16, 2018

Belichick had some nasty Blitz Coverages pressures vs the Chiefs in the first game. Blitz #1 - Both DE = Locked Rush. Interior 4 rushers read OL slide, end up with 3 Pop Out players & still have a free rusher. Blitz #2, same pressure Trailer tech so the defense is still 1. pic.twitter.com/z7gADtSsPw

— James Light (@JamesALight) January 14, 2019

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PATS are defending RAMS by playing 5UP on run downs . Instead of traditional 4-2 sub front, they are effectively playing an over 5-1 front This is to reduce the push combos on the rams wide zone scheme.

— Paul Alexander (@CoachPaulAlex) February 4, 2019

Exactly. Patriots are running their 4-3 Even Front. Typically only run vs base personnel, the Patriots ran it vs 12P & 11P with the Rams backed up on the last drive expecting run. Chung at Sam LB https://t.co/jjQjn5KTyW https://t.co/O4EYWbBf7l

— James Light (@JamesALight) February 4, 2019

Bellicheat is definitely a very creative playcaller, but he does use the 3-3-5 defense.

[Wikipedia]
Changes to New England's defensive scheme over time[edit] Over time, New England has also used a 4–3 defense and increased its usage of nickel defense.[27] Belichick believes that teaching the techniques and fundamentals of his defense is more important than what alignment his defenses use, noting that he used a 4–3 defense when he coached the Cleveland Browns.[28]
Belichick served as head coach of the Browns from 1991–1995, and was only able to compile a 36–44 regular season record, along with a 1–1 mark in the 1994 NFL playoffs. Belichick's tenure as head coach of the Patriots has been far more successful. After going 5–11 in the 2000 campaign, he has not had a losing season since. As of the end of the 2018 NFL season, Bill Belichick has recorded 225 regular season victories as Patriots head coach, as well as guiding the team to 30 playoff victories. Belichick's Patriots have won 16 AFC East division titles, 9 AFC Championships and 6 Super Bowl titles.
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in American football, a nickel defense (also known as a 4–2–5 or 3–3–5) is any defensive alignment that uses five defensive backs, of whom the fifth is known as a nickelback.

Duuude, Giedi, I know you didn't just use Wikipedia to substantiate your claim lol.

The people I posted above are high-level football coaches. James Light is one of the best X's and O's resources on the Internet. I believe he has connections to Belichick's assistants as well. If you really want to simplify what Belichick does, 5-1-5 is probably the most accurate thing. But again, that doesn't do it justice because those 5 upfront change sooo much. Read James Light's stuff above. He analyzes film and provides position breakdowns for each spot on the field. It's really good stuff.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Duuude, Giedi, I know you didn't just use Wikipedia to substantiate your claim lol.

The people I posted above are high-level football coaches. James Light is one of the best X's and O's resources on the Internet. I believe he has connections to Belichick's assistants as well. If you really want to simplify what Belichick does, 5-1-5 is probably the most accurate thing. But again, that doesn't do it justice because those 5 upfront change sooo much. Read James Light's stuff above. He analyzes film and provides position breakdowns for each spot on the field. It's really good stuff.

No problem. I understand where you are coming from. But Bellicheat uses a lot of fronts and a lot of personnel situation substitutions. He comes from the 3-4 system, but clearly his defense is multiple, and basically a lot of the defense he used against the rams is nickel based. Again, nickel can be 5-1-5 or 3-3-5, and again, Bellicheat mixes and matches what he needs against the various offensive systems he is faced against.

Football isn't complicated. It's the cat and mouse game that can be though.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I wish we could pin posts so this one doesn't get lost in the shuffle. I know jd/thl would love to see this since there was a discussion about the gapping in the wide 9

That's awesome to have that former player respond with insight into Koceruk. I was actually looking at some tape to help illustrate what Fluellen meant with how the 2i is so important. I'll post it, along with the tweets to support the film, hopefully tonight.