Seattle Seahawks thread

Originally posted by Niners99:
lol Russell Wilson is now 1-14 in games where the opposing team scores 25+ pts.

He's nothing without their D.

Whereas Aaron Rodgers, with a completely different offensive scheme, vastly superior o-line, and multiple elite targets, etc...is probably like 4-20 over the past 5 years or so when the opposing team scores 25+ What's your point?

It's funny how some here are validating their opinion of RW when he's obviously injured, and is working behind probably the worst o-line in the game. Heck, when I brought up Rodgers' poor performance in the playoff game against Seattle back in 2014/15 one of RW's fiercest critics shot back that Aaron was playing on a hobbled ankle.

Well, RW currently has a bum ankle, knee, and also a bum nipple. Food for thought there are 6 invididual offensive linemen in the NFL today who count more against their team's cap space than the entire Seattle starting o-line.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

In before LisaTwelve corrects you that he's 2-13 (Steelers last year and Falcons this year)........

But who's counting?

We don't count referees giving games to an above average game manager. Seattle lost that game we all know it. Let me guess....the fail Mary game was a win for rw too.

It's funny how some people actually have the audacity to compare Aaron Rodgers and his traditionally bad defenses and not great winning record when opposing teams score much easier against Green Bay to Russell Wilson and his inability to even throw a touchdown. Some people actually faults Rogers for having a bad playoff game against Seattle? Is that a joke or no? Playing against the number one elite defense and one of the best secondaries of all time and the quarterback struggles? What a concept. I can't believe that's even an argument but I do know coming from the source it was a serious statement. Im really trying not to laugh. That was the funniest thing I've read today. Maybe we should rip on some great quarterbacks that did poorly against the steel curtain in the 70s. Hahahaha. Wow.

And if we were talking better schemes or better receiving options, I don't think so. Baldwin last year was leading the league in touchdowns as a wide receiver and Jimmy Graham is the best tight end in the game not named Rob gronkowski. Lots of quarterbacks have bad offensive lines but they still managed to throw touchdowns against bad defenses. Russell Wilson cannot do this. He certainly can't do this this year. Horrible just horrible. Aaron Rodgers is an MVP and actually can pass the ball. Russell Wilson is not even close to an MVP player and can't lead his team back from anything. With an elite defense. Sad. Ignorance is bliss I guess to some

If you watched that game you would have seen Rodgers miss wide open no pressure throws. Throws that would have sealed the deal. Rodgers track record in the playoffs since their SB year has been mediocre, FYI.

And Wow -- 2-3 years ago Baldwin, Kearse, and the rest of the receiving core were no-name, non-drafted wannabes. Now they are all-world elite apparently. You can't compare the weapons at RW's disposal, on top of horrible o-line at the luxuries your favorite pocket passers have enjoyed. There is no comparison.

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

If you watched that game you would have seen Rodgers miss wide open no pressure throws. Throws that would have sealed the deal. Rodgers track record in the playoffs since their SB year has been mediocre, FYI.

I agree much like Brett Favre in the playoffs. Except Aaron Rodgers doesn't really cost his team games like Russell Wilson. Rogers misses some throws but he does not throw interceptions like they're going out of style like Russell Wilson has the past two years. Also, Aaron Rodgers is a great Passer Russell Wilson is not. Aaron Rodgers can run and throw and is more accurate than Russell Wilson.

And most importantly, if you knew anything about playoff football, Defense wins championships. So you should know that defenses play the most important role in the playoffs. If Aaron Rodgers even had a decent defense he would of had won more than one Super Bowl. That is the truth. The year Aaron Rodgers did win the Super Bowl his defense was pretty good. But nothing like in Seattle, not even close. Like we have said before even Alex Smith would have won two Super Bowl's in Seattle

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

If you watched that game you would have seen Rodgers miss wide open no pressure throws. Throws that would have sealed the deal. Rodgers track record in the playoffs since their SB year has been mediocre, FYI.

And Wow -- 2-3 years ago Baldwin, Kearse, and the rest of the receiving core were no-name, non-drafted wannabes. Now they are all-world elite apparently. You can't compare the weapons at RW's disposal, on top of horrible o-line at the luxuries your favorite pocket passers have enjoyed. There is no comparison.

You are actually trying to compare weapons right now? You have lost this argument much like all your other ones. Baldwin is the reigning leader in the league in touchdowns with 14 touchdowns last year. Let's see how he does the rest of this year. He is an awesome receiver and it's not his fault that Russell Wilson can't throw accurately to him or perform at even an average pace.It does not matter what he was two or three years ago. You do realize it is possible for a player to get a lot better. And that is what Baldwin is. Just as Russell Wilson has destroyed Jimmy Graham.Look at the game against San Francisco when he made that ridiculous one armed diving catch. Look at Jimmy Graham he has always been elite. And Aaron Rodgers is not my favorite pocket passer he's not top three in my opinion. But that's OK you're wrong again.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
If you watched that game you would have seen Rodgers miss wide open no pressure throws. Throws that would have sealed the deal. Rodgers track record in the playoffs since their SB year has been mediocre, FYI.

And Wow -- 2-3 years ago Baldwin, Kearse, and the rest of the receiving core were no-name, non-drafted wannabes. Now they are all-world elite apparently. You can't compare the weapons at RW's disposal, on top of horrible o-line at the luxuries your favorite pocket passers have enjoyed. There is no comparison.

You are actually trying to compare weapons right now? You have lost this argument much like all your other ones. Baldwin is the reigning leader in the league in touchdowns with 14 touchdowns last year. Let's see how he does the rest of this year. He is an awesome receiver and it's not his fault that Russell Wilson can't throw accurately to him or perform at even an average pace.It does not matter what he was two or three years ago. You do realize it is possible for a player to get a lot better. And that is what Baldwin is. Just as Russell Wilson has destroyed Jimmy Graham.Look at the game against San Francisco when he made that ridiculous one armed diving catch. Look at Jimmy Graham he has always been elite. And Aaron Rodgers is not my favorite pocket passer he's not top three in my opinion. But that's OK you're wrong again.

You really think it's RW and not the Seahawk's scheme? Payton's offense I would assume is entirely different than Bevell's in addition to the personnel running it. And you're not going to give RW any slack with that o-line of his and the slew of injuries he's trying to overcome?

And yeah Doug Baldwin is all RW needs. He's actually currently on pace to surpass his numbers from last year in receptions and yards, but of course not TD's. So if Baldwin is all that and getting better he should be turning more of those receptions into touchdowns instead of slacking.

And really no slight benefit of the doubt at all for RW considering he's been injured since week 1 and they have arguable the worst o-line in the league? Even a healthy Marshawn Lynch would get nowhere behind this line.

From pfft after Q1 of the season:

32. Seattle Seahawks (32)Starters: LT Bradley Sowell, LG Mark Glowinski, C Justin Britt, RG Germain Ifedi, RT Garry Gilliam

The Seahawks had the worst line in the league on paper heading into the season, and it has proved to be just that through four weeks. Seattle will be hoping the return of rookie Germain Ifedi can improve matters, but in 60 snaps so far, he hasn't suggested he will be much of an upgrade. Justin Britt has been a relative bright spot at center, with a very strong game against the Jets after three more average performances, but the rest of the starters have been poor. Bradley Sowell and J'Marcus Webb, in particular, have just reinforced why they were given up on as starting propositions by previous teams, while Garry Gilliam at RT has been struggling, especially against the Rams. The Seahawks' offense is hamstrung by the lack of investment in the line.

Originally posted by sspiker:

I love how whiny the .NET is about referees. Every loss.

Most fanbases are whiny about officiating after a loss, but I've noticed most gripe about 1-2 calls (particularly game-changing calls), while .NET believes its a game-long conspiracy.

It's delicious.

Well, if anyone deserves to whine, it'd be the Raiders . . . 23 penalties?!? Yikes!
Pretty impressive that they were able to overcome that and pull out a victory regardless of whether the calls were warranted or not (I didn't see the game or hear any commentary other than the total so, I don't know what the general consensus is)

Originally posted by Morgan49:

Next up is a probably pretty embarrassed and pissed off Bills team.

Good luck with that.

I'm thinking the Hawks may be a bit embarrassed and pissed as well - so, there's that . . .

Richard Sherman: Lack of penalties on Saints was "egregious"

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

You really think it's RW and not the Seahawk's scheme? Payton's offense I would assume is entirely different than Bevell's in addition to the personnel running it. And you're not going to give RW any slack with that o-line of his and the slew of injuries he's trying to overcome?

And yeah Doug Baldwin is all RW needs. He's actually currently on pace to surpass his numbers from last year in receptions and yards, but of course not TD's. So if Baldwin is all that and getting better he should be turning more of those receptions into touchdowns instead of slacking.

And really no slight benefit of the doubt at all for RW considering he's been injured since week 1 and they have arguable the worst o-line in the league? Even a healthy Marshawn Lynch would get nowhere behind this line.

From pfft after Q1 of the season:

32. Seattle Seahawks (32)Starters: LT Bradley Sowell, LG Mark Glowinski, C Justin Britt, RG Germain Ifedi, RT Garry Gilliam

The Seahawks had the worst line in the league on paper heading into the season, and it has proved to be just that through four weeks. Seattle will be hoping the return of rookie Germain Ifedi can improve matters, but in 60 snaps so far, he hasn't suggested he will be much of an upgrade. Justin Britt has been a relative bright spot at center, with a very strong game against the Jets after three more average performances, but the rest of the starters have been poor. Bradley Sowell and J'Marcus Webb, in particular, have just reinforced why they were given up on as starting propositions by previous teams, while Garry Gilliam at RT has been struggling, especially against the Rams. The Seahawks' offense is hamstrung by the lack of investment in the line.

I do give rw some slack. He isn't helped all that much from his ol however he still has time to pass especially with their short passing game. Baldwin is in the slot often so he definitely has time to pass to him but fails to. Graham is a machine and doesn't go deep often so he definitely has time from the ol to pass to him as well. Did I mention the rb passes? Has time for that too. He choked during that game against the worst or one of the worst defenses in the NFL and made a poor throw to end the game. Inexcusable. Their running game the first few weeks was definitely good enough just ask Michael and look at his numbers. Lynch would be breaking tackles like his old self so you are wrong assuming he wouldn't be going anywhere.

Good players show up when their team needs them.
The ol is bad but good enough for rw to not do so poorly.
No tds the last 3 games?
Bevel has put rw in a position to succeed and he is not answering the call.
That Seattle defense is putting rw in a position to succeed and he is simply not.
Baldwin is on pace to get yards but you claimed if he was so good which he is why isn't he turning those catches into tds?? Is that a joke? Rw is the answer. And if you think it's the ol your dreaming.
Graham is still an elite te and he is not getting the opportunities bc of rws poor play.
You can't blame poor passing on the injuries rw has had. He can plant his feet and throw. He isn't a good passer that's all there is to it. Very good runner.
Stop cutting him slack. Many other qbs don't have good ols either and don't have Baldwin and graham and do so much better. Many other qbs (besides Denver) don't have the most important piece to winning either which is an elite defense and still perform better than rw. Now that's a fact.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Just a random observation:

The terrible SF 49ers, with "terrible QBs", no WRs, a running game not running on all cylinders have still scored more points than the Seahawks this season....144 to 131.

Let that sink in.

It hasn't been brought up because of the losing. With a midpack D, the Niners are over .500 easily, maybe better. We used to have more than a midpack D not so long ago, and maybe even last year's team could have been considered mid pack.

Maybe they'll call Niner points garbage time, and Seahawks just holding a tight lead like the way Harbaugh used to be. LOL.

But then again, Carroll was never like that. 58-0 against Cards a few years ago, huge blowout of Bills too, us 42-13. "Pete never takes plays off, full throttle to wall, 60 minutes, 75 minutes if needed....".....has been the mantra I've been told.

I think it's safe to say more could be had from that team. It proves what many of us have known for years but needed "proof" before we could be taken seriously.

Wilson is a slightly above average quarterback at actually producing, with some elite qualities to win ballgames that are dead tight in scoring but not something you can rely upon all the time.

And all of that is with a strong running game. Now that it's not so strong anymore, he's looking mediocre.

The same way Cam, Kap, RG3, etc. have all looked at times. People actually thought he was an exception.

Funny.

THIS!

Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
when does the media start turning on these douches? THATS when the true crash can commence...

After trump or hilary gets nominated, then impeached the very next day

Guys, my buddy went to NC State.

He went there this weekend, said he checked out the bookstore and saw a bunch of nondescript #16 jerseys, but no #16 jerseys (Wilson)....said he felt sad, lol.

I guess it goes to show you that the truth hurts down there......they hate him at that school.

Either that or they are embarrassed at their alumnus' play.

I'll ask if they had Glennon jerseys there.....will report back.

The reason the Seahawks can't afford better OL is their Defense and Russy are taking up all their cap space. If Russy would've taken less money they could afford better lineman. This is what the cap does. He wanted to get paid and now he's reaping what he sowed.

Just heard another cry baby Hawk fan crying about refs on moving the chains. These people are too much.

Originally posted by Seattle49er:

Just heard another cry baby Hawk fan crying about refs on moving the chains. These people are too much.

Not sure what there is to cry about. The Seahawks got 11 penalties. As far as I know they were all earned. The only one I wasn't sure on was the holding on Shead on a tipped ball - but they didn't show a replay so I'll assume the hold happened ahead of the pass. As for the rest, around half were pre snap so it's not really in doubt. If people are complaining about the penalties the Saints didn't get, well either they played a clean game or they were better at reading what the refs would or would not allow this game. As a Seahawks fan, I don't really care what the refs did or didn't call on the Saints. The Seahawks played a sloppy game and got penalized appropriately. That's in their control and they need to clean things up. This game is hard enough without stupid mental errors like a false start on Michael when they were inside the 10 with only seconds left to play. No ref made him do that!