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Originally posted by zaghawk:
I appreciate that. I mean that's definitely a prediction that could happen. I think Schneider definitely knows he's on the hot seat, as far as MM as HC. I think he's got 1-2 years to prove more.

All that being said, I know I was ready for something new, I was actually on the fire Pete bandwagon for a while. He's not a bad coach, I just don't think he was able to bring it back to contendership.

I don't have a bold prediction for 25 or 26. It really could go either way, but as a fan I am obviously hoping it will be for the better.

Every pundit is handing the Chickens an A Grade for using a first round pick on a guard from a 2nd Tier School. I don't understand that at all. First, you don't waste first round picks on a guard. I don't care how big the need is. You certainly don't waste it on a guard from a 2nd Tier School.

Oh well, at least you did not trade up and waste three first round draft picks to select a North Dakota State guy, like some teams I personally know of.
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by zaghawk:
I appreciate that. I mean that's definitely a prediction that could happen. I think Schneider definitely knows he's on the hot seat, as far as MM as HC. I think he's got 1-2 years to prove more.

All that being said, I know I was ready for something new, I was actually on the fire Pete bandwagon for a while. He's not a bad coach, I just don't think he was able to bring it back to contendership.

I don't have a bold prediction for 25 or 26. It really could go either way, but as a fan I am obviously hoping it will be for the better.

Every pundit is handing the Chickens an A Grade for using a first round pick on a guard from a 2nd Tier School. I don't understand that at all. First, you don't waste first round picks on a guard. I don't care how big the need is. You certainly don't waste it on a guard from a 2nd Tier School.

Oh well, at least you did not trade up and waste three first round draft picks to select a North Dakota State guy, like some teams I personally know of.

Yep. I mean every team has well documented cases of great and extremely bad drafting. I don't know much about Grey Zabel, but ESPN had him as the mock draft pick. All I know is the Seahawks O-Line for over a decade has been an issue and fans like myself constantly questioning why the Hawks were drafting positions that were already strong. I am good with this pick. No one likes to use high draft picks for O-linemen because they don't garner a lot of highlights and attention. Yet we also all know football truly is won in the trenches. I blame fantasy football for bringing money and politics into draft decision making.
Originally posted by zaghawk:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by zaghawk:
I appreciate that. I mean that's definitely a prediction that could happen. I think Schneider definitely knows he's on the hot seat, as far as MM as HC. I think he's got 1-2 years to prove more.

All that being said, I know I was ready for something new, I was actually on the fire Pete bandwagon for a while. He's not a bad coach, I just don't think he was able to bring it back to contendership.

I don't have a bold prediction for 25 or 26. It really could go either way, but as a fan I am obviously hoping it will be for the better.

Every pundit is handing the Chickens an A Grade for using a first round pick on a guard from a 2nd Tier School. I don't understand that at all. First, you don't waste first round picks on a guard. I don't care how big the need is. You certainly don't waste it on a guard from a 2nd Tier School.

Oh well, at least you did not trade up and waste three first round draft picks to select a North Dakota State guy, like some teams I personally know of.

Yep. I mean every team has well documented cases of great and extremely bad drafting. I don't know much about Grey Zabel, but ESPN had him as the mock draft pick. All I know is the Seahawks O-Line for over a decade has been an issue and fans like myself constantly questioning why the Hawks were drafting positions that were already strong. I am good with this pick. No one likes to use high draft picks for O-linemen because they don't garner a lot of highlights and attention. Yet we also all know football truly is won in the trenches. I blame fantasy football for bringing money and politics into draft decision making.

I hate to defend the enemy but a lot of guards have been picked in the middle of the first round or earlier. For the 49ers, the last was Mike Iupati, just 15 years ago, with pick #17 (Zabel = 18). That turned out okay :)

The only other players, besides Zabel, I considered for the 49ers in my mocks that they selected were Emmanwori and Martinez. They may have found their next Kam Chancellor with Emmanwori but there was only one Kam.
[ Edited by 49erKing on Apr 27, 2025 at 7:00 AM ]
Not a big fan of Seattle's draft. Too boom/bust-y and also didn't really address WR question (granted its a weak outside WR class but still). The qb they got is extremely polarizing and raw. I like the oline they picked in the first, but he also has some question marks. It has the potential to be a complete disaster but also has potential to produce a couple of all-pros. Lol.
Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Not a big fan of Seattle's draft. Too boom/bust-y and also didn't really address WR question (granted its a weak outside WR class but still). The qb they got is extremely polarizing and raw. I like the oline they picked in the first, but he also has some question marks. It has the potential to be a complete disaster but also has potential to produce a couple of all-pros. Lol.

Honestly, I feel like there is way too much value placed on WRs in the NFL. Yes, they are amazing to watch, big catches and big plays. But they become entirely useless if the O-line can't give time to the QB and/or help create a balanced rushing attack. If your defense is garbage, the offense has that much less time to work with or perhaps they start playing from behind which takes away the short balanced attack and now your stud WR is just getting double coverage all the time. My preference for how a football team should be built, is the one where the lines are amazing and all criticism will be that the RB/QB/WR/DB really isn't good, and are only good because of all the pressure/time the line creates.
Originally posted by zaghawk:
Honestly, I feel like there is way too much value placed on WRs in the NFL. Yes, they are amazing to watch, big catches and big plays. But they become entirely useless if the O-line can't give time to the QB and/or help create a balanced rushing attack. If your defense is garbage, the offense has that much less time to work with or perhaps they start playing from behind which takes away the short balanced attack and now your stud WR is just getting double coverage all the time. My preference for how a football team should be built, is the one where the lines are amazing and all criticism will be that the RB/QB/WR/DB really isn't good, and are only good because of all the pressure/time the line creates.

I mean I dont disagree but also dont fully agree lol

The WR impact can be overstated a lot of times, but also the lack of good WRs is felt when line DOES give enough time but guys are just not beating man coverage.

an elite WR isnt necessary at all to win, but so isnt any other position really...it does - as any skill position - get a lot of glory whereas the "dirty work" is often underappreciated. I mean, we have people who think Hargrave was worthless and yet if Hargrave doesnt make some pass rushing plays in the GB playoff game last year, we lose that game.

I think some elite outside WRs start to get underrated, especially in an era where speed and shiftiness and space are at premium

A guy like AJ Brown, even with all of his diva tendencies and who knows what else goes in his head, is starting to get underrated like crazy. I remember the jump Jalen Hurts had when Brown got to Philly. Brown is an outside WR that changes games because he scares the crap out of a corner. You press him he'll outmuscle you. You match him on a slant he will run over you. You single cover him with cushion he'll outrun you vertically.

we have AJ Brown instead of Deebo in the last SB...I think we win that game. Im not big on what ifs, but I do think an elite WR has a big impact when he leaves the team or comes to a new team.

Anyway, other thoughts on the seahawks draft ? Its interesting some of their content creators who watch tape are also far less thrilled with the draft than the media.
Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Originally posted by zaghawk:
Honestly, I feel like there is way too much value placed on WRs in the NFL. Yes, they are amazing to watch, big catches and big plays. But they become entirely useless if the O-line can't give time to the QB and/or help create a balanced rushing attack. If your defense is garbage, the offense has that much less time to work with or perhaps they start playing from behind which takes away the short balanced attack and now your stud WR is just getting double coverage all the time. My preference for how a football team should be built, is the one where the lines are amazing and all criticism will be that the RB/QB/WR/DB really isn't good, and are only good because of all the pressure/time the line creates.

I mean I dont disagree but also dont fully agree lol

The WR impact can be overstated a lot of times, but also the lack of good WRs is felt when line DOES give enough time but guys are just not beating man coverage.

an elite WR isnt necessary at all to win, but so isnt any other position really...it does - as any skill position - get a lot of glory whereas the "dirty work" is often underappreciated. I mean, we have people who think Hargrave was worthless and yet if Hargrave doesnt make some pass rushing plays in the GB playoff game last year, we lose that game.

I think some elite outside WRs start to get underrated, especially in an era where speed and shiftiness and space are at premium

A guy like AJ Brown, even with all of his diva tendencies and who knows what else goes in his head, is starting to get underrated like crazy. I remember the jump Jalen Hurts had when Brown got to Philly. Brown is an outside WR that changes games because he scares the crap out of a corner. You press him he'll outmuscle you. You match him on a slant he will run over you. You single cover him with cushion he'll outrun you vertically.

we have AJ Brown instead of Deebo in the last SB...I think we win that game. Im not big on what ifs, but I do think an elite WR has a big impact when he leaves the team or comes to a new team.

Anyway, other thoughts on the seahawks draft ? Its interesting some of their content creators who watch tape are also far less thrilled with the draft than the media.

I respect that opinion because that has also been shown for sure. At the end of the day, football is a team game, and you really need everything to work (good enough) to be a true contender.

Other thoughts on the Seahawks draft, I do like that the Seahawks addressed needs vs talent available or surprising prospects. You get cute with your drafting and sometimes you find these diamonds in the rough, but other times you get the "What the hell were you thinking" result in the end. And I personally am tired of it over the last 10 years.

The QB pick in round 3 was very interesting because this situation is very similar to the Flynn-RW draft, where you bring in a QB and the starting job is his, but then you draft a QB in the 3rd round too? I don't know how I feel about it and/or how it would turn out, but if the idea is just to get someone behind Darnold, keep him competitive and also have a thirsty hungry back-up ready to come in that has potential to be more. I guess it's not a bad situation either.

As far as the content creators, they watch more football than me, so they probably know way more than me. But also all content whether mainstream or content creators, are designed to get views for advertisement $ and views are obtained generally by sparking emotions (often negative) in viewers/listeners. This is why Steven A Smith is one of the highest paid sports media people despite not being a former pro athlete (among the top 5), the constant criticism is what the hell does he know about X sport (mostly true), but he's very good at stirring the pot and that's what matters in that industry. So I guess I take content creators takes with a major grain of salt, is it really their true opinion? or do they know the Seahawks draft was generally logical, so the best way to get views is by saying how terrible it was, so they can get a lot interaction? and as soon as the podcast is over, they're just like "hell yeah I'm gonna get a lot of views with that one, a lot of people are gonna be so mad, check the comments".

I am happy with the Seahawks draft, we all know it's not proof it's gonna pan out, but if the picks do workout, they are all places I would love to the Seahawks succeed and the areas not drafted that lost significant talent (i.e. WR), I am okay with taking a step back. Especially considering the team took a step back in that position where they were already strong and not mediocre, so the step back may just put them average or slightly below average as opposed to completely horrible. I am cautiously optimistic as a Seahawk fan.
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Originally posted by InfernoDaLuz:

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I speculated this might be the case when Petey parted ways with the Seaco*ks. Now the newly minted Raiders coach is confirming this is exactly what happened. It was a power play. Period. Seahawks owner Paul Allen hired Pete Carroll to run the club in 2010. Carroll, in turn, chose his GM in the form of John Schneider. But Petey called the shots. It is very similar to the arrangement that the York family struck with Kyle Shanahan. The Yorks hired Kyle first. He's the boss. Shanahan hired John Lynch to be the GM. But the buck stops at Kyle's door. Period.

But in the case of the Seahawks, the apple cart up north took a tumble when Paul Allen died and daughter Jody was given the keys to run the team. She didn't have the kind of hots for Petey that her daddy did. She liked getting it from the Schneid instead. So? The Schneid pulled a power play that led to Petey's exit from Seattle. Petey's a bit diplomatic in this article. He claims Schneider "deserved his chance" to run the team. But you just don't leave a job like that. Nor that kind of coin. I suspect there were some hard feelings when this change took place. You just won't hear it from Petey because he's back in the saddle with the Raiders now.

However, a power play like this one rarely works out. Just ask Trent Baalke. The former 49ers GM got into a rift with HC Jim Harbaugh. There was room for only one big ego at 49ers HQ. So Harbaugh got the boot. End result? The winning ways under Harbaugh came to an end. Baalke drove Good Ship 49ers straight into the turf and, in the end, he got canned by the York Fam. Seattle, meanwhile, missed the playoffs last season under new HC Mike MacLoser. So, the SeaTurds dumped Geno Smith and turned to a familiar face in new QB Dam Sarnold. I have a feeling this upcoming season will be the last for both MacLoser and The Schneid. Somewhere, Pete Carroll will be smiling.
Man I can't wait for week 1...for multiple reasons.

Seahawk fans talking trash is definitely one of them.

I know there is a lot of uncertainty with our roster but boy are Seahawk fans feeling confident and I don't understand why. Feels like they're living off their defensive turn around in the 2nd half of last year and sure it looks great on paper but when you look back they didn't face any team that was dangerous on offense.

The two top 10 scoring offenses they faced in that span they lost those games giving up 30 points to GB and 27 to the Vikings...both home games for them.

They went 1-1 against us and the win they got was a last second win with Nick Bosa off the field cuz of injury, no George Kittle, no Aiyuk and a gimpy Trent Williams.

Bring them on and hopefully both teams are healthy for this one and we get to see where each squad is. I like our odds.
Originally posted by genus49:
Man I can't wait for week 1...for multiple reasons.

Seahawk fans talking trash is definitely one of them.

I know there is a lot of uncertainty with our roster but boy are Seahawk fans feeling confident and I don't understand why.

I am curious what Seahawk fans you are talking to, because I live in the Seattle-area I am surrounded by Seahawks fans and most of the sentiment is kind of the same as mine. Optimistic, excited, but also understanding we have no idea what this team actually is since its a major reboot. Does it seem like this team may be headed up while the Niners are headed down, yes. But does it mean the Seahawks will automatically perform? no. Does it mean the Niners are automatically trash, no.

As far as I'm concerned the Rams and the Niners are still the gate keepers for the NFCW headed into this next season, but...am I excited that the Seahawks could come in and change all of it this year provided the right pieces were picked/drafted/traded and MM turns this team into what he wants it to be over the next few seasons. Am I excited that the Rams and the Niners could find themselves on their way down over the next few seasons with aging high paid veterans and/or having to make tough calls losing key players and depth when big contracts have no been made. Absolutely.
[ Edited by zaghawk on Jun 12, 2025 at 2:05 PM ]
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