Calvin Johnson retires

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Originally posted by Zachary13White:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Just 9 season played. Same with lynch if he retires as reported. Only 8 for Willis. 2007 draft class has some top tier talent retiring early. I don't have any of the 3 of them as hall of famers. All 3 great players but didn't hang around long enough. Lynch with the best chance cus of the ring.

All of them will get in without a doubt

Without a doubt? Daaaamnn your confident. There's still alot of players that are waiting to get in, also there's players in the nfl now that are leaving soon that are more deserving, and hall of famers like Charles Woodson.

Like the guy said, I don't think they stayed around long enough to get into the hall of fame. If it only takes 6-7 seasons to get into the hall of fame, then it's not much of a hall of fame.

Its not about how long u played, its about how dominant you were when u did. They were all the best at their position during their prime

If odell beckham retired RIGHT NOW, would he make the hall of fame? If you say no, then your point doesnt have credibiltiy since I believe in his first 16 games hes beat every WR in the history of football in terms of TD's Yards so far (I could be wrong but hes definitly top 5 in his first 16 games without a doubt), and hes still just climbing and putting up monster numbers..

Therefore, yes, how long you played, does play a factor, because if he retired tomorrow he would never see the hall of fame.

There is one player with less than 40 games played in the PFHOF, there are 83 Hall of Famers who have played less games than Calvin Johnson. 135 is clearly more than enough.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Originally posted by Zachary13White:

Originally posted by crabman82:
Just 9 season played. Same with lynch if he retires as reported. Only 8 for Willis. 2007 draft class has some top tier talent retiring early. I don't have any of the 3 of them as hall of famers. All 3 great players but didn't hang around long enough. Lynch with the best chance cus of the ring.

All of them will get in without a doubt

Without a doubt? Daaaamnn your confident. There's still alot of players that are waiting to get in, also there's players in the nfl now that are leaving soon that are more deserving, and hall of famers like Charles Woodson.

Like the guy said, I don't think they stayed around long enough to get into the hall of fame. If it only takes 6-7 seasons to get into the hall of fame, then it's not much of a hall of fame.

Its not about how long u played, its about how dominant you were when u did. They were all the best at their position during their prime

If odell beckham retired RIGHT NOW, would he make the hall of fame? If you say no, then your point doesnt have credibiltiy since I believe in his first 16 games hes beat every WR in the history of football in terms of TD's Yards so far (I could be wrong but hes definitly top 5 in his first 16 games without a doubt), and hes still just climbing and putting up monster numbers..

Therefore, yes, how long you played, does play a factor, because if he retired tomorrow he would never see the hall of fame.

There is one player with less than 40 games played in the PFHOF, there are 83 Hall of Famers who have played less games than Calvin Johnson. 135 is clearly more than enough.

thats crazy that somebody is in the HOF with that little games played

no one will ever pass rice

he is the GOAT

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

30 years old. sucks.

one of the best, if not the best WR of the modern era.

6'5, 230lbs. Ran a 4.3. Amazing hands and athleticism, and a great teammate.

What is your definition of the "modern era"? I dont know what that is but in no way does he compare to Jerry Rice thats for sure.

Rice through 9 seasons:

708 receptions
11,776 yards
118 touchdowns

Rice also had Montana and Young throwing him the ball, with Walsh as his coach... lets not act like that didnt factor in his success

A great statistical season for Montana and Young can now be had by any above-average QB due to the way the rules have changed to favor the passing game. If Jerry Rice played in today's league - where you can't touch the WR and you can't even breathe on a QB without getting a 15 yard penalty and a fine - he would have put up even bigger numbers. Those guys had to earn those catches and TDs back then. Now, the defense isn't even allowed to defend.

Originally posted by jrg:
Calvin Johnson played 9 seasons. Comparing the two through the first 9 seasons:

Johnson:
731 receptions
11,619 yards
83 touchdowns

Owens:
669 receptions
9772 yards
95 touchdowns

Originally posted by jrg:
Rice through 9 seasons:

708 receptions
11,776 yards
118 touchdowns

HUH! Nuff said!!!

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Originally posted by Zachary13White:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Just 9 season played. Same with lynch if he retires as reported. Only 8 for Willis. 2007 draft class has some top tier talent retiring early. I don't have any of the 3 of them as hall of famers. All 3 great players but didn't hang around long enough. Lynch with the best chance cus of the ring.

All of them will get in without a doubt

Without a doubt? Daaaamnn your confident. There's still alot of players that are waiting to get in, also there's players in the nfl now that are leaving soon that are more deserving, and hall of famers like Charles Woodson.

Like the guy said, I don't think they stayed around long enough to get into the hall of fame. If it only takes 6-7 seasons to get into the hall of fame, then it's not much of a hall of fame.

Its not about how long u played, its about how dominant you were when u did. They were all the best at their position during their prime

If odell beckham retired RIGHT NOW, would he make the hall of fame? If you say no, then your point doesnt have credibiltiy since I believe in his first 16 games hes beat every WR in the history of football in terms of TD's Yards so far (I could be wrong but hes definitly top 5 in his first 16 games without a doubt), and hes still just climbing and putting up monster numbers..

Therefore, yes, how long you played, does play a factor, because if he retired tomorrow he would never see the hall of fame.

Thats a terrible example, Odell has only played 2 seasons, thats a completely different scenerio than what we are discussing with Calvin. Let me tell you this, if Odell continues to play at this high of a level and then decides to retire at the age of 30 like Calvin did, yes without a doubt he'd be a HOFer as well.

You gotta understand that retiring at the age of 30 is going to start becoming much more common now with all the research that has been released on concussions... if for that sole reason you are gonna rob Willis and Calvin of the HOF than there will be A LOT of other greats down the line who will also retire like they did and you'll be robbing all of them of what they accomplished.

So do you also believe that Barry Sanders and Jim Brown dont deserve to be in the HOF because they retired early? Because if not, that's sinply ridiculous. They without a doubt deserve to be in the HOF and are arguably the 2 greatest backs of all time

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:
Rice also had Montana and Young throwing him the ball, with Walsh as his coach... lets not act like that didnt factor in his success

Son, it is evident that you do not WATCH football. At least not when the aforementioned players and coach were in operation. As was stated earlier, with the rule changes, Joe to Jerry or Steve to Jerry would have been Showtime on the Gridiron. To give you an idea of what I'm talking about, check out the game between the Niners and the Eagles in Sept of 1989. Joe was getting his a$$ kicked by the best front 7 in the NFL at the time on CONCRETE!!! Any of your QB's today would have either come out of the game or their coach would have thrown in the towel (a la Seifert vs Eagles 1994). There were also better defenses at that time who would absolutely kill quite a few offenses today. And, by the time Jerry got to the Niners, DC's had had enough of Joe and Bill and had come up with defenses to slow them down (Fritz Shurmure of the Rams and Bill Belechik of the Giants) though it didn't always work. And Jerry used to consistently beat the best corner in the league, Mr. Prime Time himself Deion Sanders. Jerry's success is a product of hard work, talent, and determination. PERIOD

Originally posted by NinerTy:

Originally posted by jrg:
Calvin Johnson played 9 seasons. Comparing the two through the first 9 seasons:

Johnson:
731 receptions
11,619 yards
83 touchdowns

Owens:
669 receptions
9772 yards
95 touchdowns

Originally posted by jrg:
Rice through 9 seasons:

708 receptions
11,776 yards
118 touchdowns

HUH! Nuff said!!!

I agree that Rice was the man, but you at least have to tip your cap to Owens and Johnson. Great receivers!

Originally posted by NinerTy:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Rice also had Montana and Young throwing him the ball, with Walsh as his coach... lets not act like that didnt factor in his success

Son, it is evident that you do not WATCH football. At least not when the aforementioned players and coach were in operation. As was stated earlier, with the rule changes, Joe to Jerry or Steve to Jerry would have been Showtime on the Gridiron. To give you an idea of what I'm talking about, check out the game between the Niners and the Eagles in Sept of 1989. Joe was getting his a$$ kicked by the best front 7 in the NFL at the time on CONCRETE!!! Any of your QB's today would have either come out of the game or their coach would have thrown in the towel (a la Seifert vs Eagles 1994). There were also better defenses at that time who would absolutely kill quite a few offenses today. And, by the time Jerry got to the Niners, DC's had had enough of Joe and Bill and had come up with defenses to slow them down (Fritz Shurmure of the Rams and Bill Belechik of the Giants) though it didn't always work. And Jerry used to consistently beat the best corner in the league, Mr. Prime Time himself Deion Sanders. Jerry's success is a product of hard work, talent, and determination. PERIOD

Lol, so youre gonna sit there and try to tell me that you honestly believe that Montana/Young, Walsh, and even having Taylor/Owens on the opposite end had no positive influence on his career?... cmon son.

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Lol, so youre gonna sit there and try to tell me that you honestly believe that Montana/Young, Walsh, and even having Taylor/Owens on the opposite end had no positive influence on his career?... cmon son.

Jerry's best season was probably 1995 with almost 1850 yards. That season Steve Young threw the ball 429 times.

Calvin's best season statistically was in 2012 where he had 1960 yards. Stafford threw the ball 650 times.

Point being, yes Jerry had all world QB play but Johnson had the benefit of a over 200 more passing attempts, all the rules to benefit WR's and still only finished with 100 more yards. Can you imagine how many yards Rice would've had in 1995 if Young threw the ball 650 times? That's 1.5 seasons for Young to get 650 attempts. Rice probably hits 2800 yards. Now factor in if he had played that season with sissy 2012 rules and he probably goes directly to the HOF following that season

Originally posted by NinerG94:

Originally posted by 4everFaithful:

Lol, so youre gonna sit there and try to tell me that you honestly believe that Montana/Young, Walsh, and even having Taylor/Owens on the opposite end had no positive influence on his career?... cmon son.

Jerry's best season was probably 1995 with almost 1850 yards. That season Steve Young threw the ball 429 times.

Calvin's best season statistically was in 2012 where he had 1960 yards. Stafford threw the ball 650 times.

Point being, yes Jerry had all world QB play but Johnson had the benefit of a over 200 more passing attempts, all the rules to benefit WR's and still only finished with 100 more yards. Can you imagine how many yards Rice would've had in 1995 if Young threw the ball 650 times? That's 1.5 seasons for Young to get 650 attempts. Rice probably hits 2800 yards. Now factor in if he had played that season with sissy 2012 rules and he probably goes directly to the HOF following that season

I see your point, but what if it was Stafford and not Young throwing Rice the ball?

Somewhat related. I bet Stafford is very happy he signed his mega deal before a season without CJ. Now we find out if he is the qb that the media continues to portray him.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
no one will ever pass rice

he is the GOAT

Played 20 years. That will never happen again.

So say a Rookie WR in today's NFL could manage another 15 seasons.

They would have to catch 100 passes every year for 15 years to catch Rice's 1549 receptions.

Need to avg 1,526 yards every year for 15 years to catch 22,895.

Catch 13 TD's every year for 15 years to catch 197 receiving TD's.

Mind bottling.

Maybe if Megatron played 15 years with Tom Brady.