Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

We will mix the concepts of one-gap football and two-gap football in a very unique way


The Leo isn't particularly unique in and of itself. Most defenses have some kind of unique name for their weakside edge player (Buck/Whip/Jack), but we will play him in a particularly loose alignment, and he's the one player along the front who isn't concerned with getting one-yard upfield and anchoring in this defense. He can line up standing up or with his hand in the ground, and sole focus is to be the primary pass rusher and wreak havoc in the backfield. Ultimately, what makes SF's defense unique is how the huge gap between the Leo and the next defensive lineman along the scrimmage is defended.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Defo just said Armstead is down 15 lbs.

side note: Defo is massive.

Damn so he's right around 275

Wow...that's great as long as he keeps making plays in the backfield at LEO on base downs.

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:

We will mix the concepts of one-gap football and two-gap football in a very unique way


The Leo isn't particularly unique in and of itself. Most defenses have some kind of unique name for their weakside edge player (Buck/Whip/Jack), but we will play him in a particularly loose alignment, and he's the one player along the front who isn't concerned with getting one-yard upfield and anchoring in this defense. He can line up standing up or with his hand in the ground, and sole focus is to be the primary pass rusher and wreak havoc in the backfield. Ultimately, what makes SF's defense unique is how the huge gap between the Leo and the next defensive lineman along the scrimmage is defended.

You didn't answer my question. How does the Leo get doubled when the left guard is occupied with the under tackle?

As I said, it depends on the formation as the position of the TE or if they have two Tight ends..

There are ways.

That still doesn't make any sense, but I'll stop asking because I don't want to seem like I am harassing you.

On a side note, it's okay not to know, and it's okay to ask questions and learn. I don't understand why this is so difficult for a lot of people on here. Some would rather pretend or muddy a discussion rather than being open to learning. I love to continue learning about the game. I love football.

Here we go, you are just trying to one up people. It makes perfect sense. On offense can move the Tight end around at the line of scrimmage to try and give the defence an alignment they don't expect and protect the QB. .

The defensive end to the tight end side needs to be a defensive player that can play the run. He does not have to be a big time pass rusher, but he has to play the C gap and stop the run. [He] must work for leverage and force and allow the Free Safety to work off of the him and fill where he is needed on run plays.

The best pass rusher on the team is usually the defensive end to the open side of the field. That puts him on the quarterback's blind side and makes him a C gap player in this defense. He is often aligned wider than this in order to give him a better angle of attack and allow him to play in space. We align him a yard outside of the offensive tackle most of the time. He has to play C gap run support but at the same time he is rushing the passer like it is third and ten. He has to be able to close down however if the tackle blocks down on him. (He) has to be one of your best football players. Size does not matter as much. We want an athletic player who can move around.

But both sides must have the ability to have one player to pass rush just incase the Tight End moves sides in transition before the snap.

In sub package where Elvis gets brought in.. Which will be the nickel and dime, the Leo 99% of the time will go one on one cause theres only gonna be one TE on the field at most that lines up on the strong side.

But Hero, isnt he a lil right cause what if the team places the TE on the weakside or motion him over the weakside to chip him up.

I was gonna say double but your LT shouldn't need help on third downs.

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:
Here we go, you are just trying to one up people. It makes perfect sense. On offense can move the Tight end around at the line of scrimmage to try and give the defence an alignment they don't expect and protect the QB. .

The defensive end to the tight end side needs to be a defensive player that can play the run. He does not have to be a big time pass rusher, but he has to play the C gap and stop the run. [He] must work for leverage and force and allow the Free Safety to work off of the him and fill where he is needed on run plays.

The best pass rusher on the team is usually the defensive end to the open side of the field. That puts him on the quarterback's blind side and makes him a C gap player in this defense. He is often aligned wider than this in order to give him a better angle of attack and allow him to play in space. We align him a yard outside of the offensive tackle most of the time. He has to play C gap run support but at the same time he is rushing the passer like it is third and ten. He has to be able to close down however if the tackle blocks down on him. (He) has to be one of your best football players. Size does not matter as much. We want an athletic player who can move around.

But both sides must have the ability to have one player to pass rush just incase the Tight End moves sides in transition before the snap.

Once again, that makes no sense. Time to bust out the MS Paint chalkboard.

The 4-3 under alignment protects the under pass rushers(under tackle and Leo). The broken blue lines show what assignments can be adjusted in the event the OL slides protection; however, the LEO still cannot be doubled.



Talking about where tight end is pointless because:

1.) The LEO plays on the opposite side of where tight end lines up. If a tight end goes to his side, the defense flips alignment.

2.) In the event of a balanced formation with two in-line tight ends, the LT and TE doubling the LEO doesn't preclude the rest of the OL from doubling another DL, which is explicitly what you stated. Tight end has no bearing on whether the rest of the OL can double someone.



Sorry, but you're dead wrong.

I think with out fantastic Defensive line pieces the idea of 4-3 and 3-4 will become redundant this year and that will be fantastic because it means opposition offenses won't know where the BOOM, BASH, SNACK, KAPLOP is going to come from. Isn't that the idea? Retooled and reschooled, we will attack from more than one position depending on how and where we see there is a weakness in the offensive line. Especially with so many talented big guys on our defence. The hybrid defence that we will play this year isn't exactly a mixture of 4-3 and 3-4 concepts, but rather a combination between philosophies of 4-3 and 3-4 via different gap control and responsibilities. Even the terms "4-3" and "3-4" may sound a bit redundant now in the NFL, as defenses are so focused on moving and using unique players all over the field more that there isn't a "base" D a team usually rely on.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:
Here we go, you are just trying to one up people. It makes perfect sense. On offense can move the Tight end around at the line of scrimmage to try and give the defence an alignment they don't expect and protect the QB. .

The defensive end to the tight end side needs to be a defensive player that can play the run. He does not have to be a big time pass rusher, but he has to play the C gap and stop the run. [He] must work for leverage and force and allow the Free Safety to work off of the him and fill where he is needed on run plays.

The best pass rusher on the team is usually the defensive end to the open side of the field. That puts him on the quarterback's blind side and makes him a C gap player in this defense. He is often aligned wider than this in order to give him a better angle of attack and allow him to play in space. We align him a yard outside of the offensive tackle most of the time. He has to play C gap run support but at the same time he is rushing the passer like it is third and ten. He has to be able to close down however if the tackle blocks down on him. (He) has to be one of your best football players. Size does not matter as much. We want an athletic player who can move around.

But both sides must have the ability to have one player to pass rush just incase the Tight End moves sides in transition before the snap.

Once again, that makes no sense.

The 4-3 under alignment protects the under pass rushers(under tackle and Leo). The broken blue lines shows what assignments can be adjusted in the event the OL slides protection; however, the LEO still cannot be doubled.



Talking about where tight end is pointless because:

1.) The LEO plays on the opposite side of where tight end lines up.

2.) In the event of a balanced formation with two in-line tight ends, the RT and TE doubling the LEO doesn't preclude the rest of the OL from doubling another DL, which is explicitly what you stated. Tight end has no bearing on whether the rest of the OL can double someone.



Sorry, but you're dead wrong.

So you are actually agreeing with me, you state in 2) that the LEO can be double teamed by a RT and TE. I never stated it doesn't preclude someone else being double teamed.

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:
. I never stated it doesn't preclude someone else being double teamed.

No, you implied that others will benefit from Elvis from being double teamed, which is wrong.

Originally posted by GoldenGateGlory:
Correct Weight.
AA is gonna be the big improver and the beast we need to consume what Elvis gives us.
I am not talking about burgers.
I am talking about gaps based on Elvis being double teamed.

You have it reverse: The LEO is the beneficiary of others getting double teamed, not the other way around. Hence why you want him to be your best pass rusher. He's going to be one-on-one a lot.

In an obvious passing situation, most teams will only have 1 TE and usually don't keep him in to block....also if the weakside OT (typically the LT) needs help blocking the opponents top pass rusher, they'll keep a back in the backfield to chip/help. In this case it's still a one-on-one scenario for the LEO.

I guess you could keep a TE on the weakside to double the LEO, but all you'd be doing is taking away a potential receiver allowing the defense to tighten up on the outside or blitz from the opposite end.

Also, if we are in fact running the same scheme the Seahawks and Jags used, the LEO flips alignment based upon strength of side.

Originally posted by SaksV:
In an obvious passing situation, most teams will only have 1 TE and usually don't keep him in to block....also if the weakside OT (typically the LT) needs help blocking the opponents top pass rusher, they'll keep a back in the backfield to chip/help. In this case it's still a one-on-one scenario for the LEO.

I guess you could keep a TE on the weakside to double the LEO, but all you'd be doing is taking away a potential receiver allowing the defense to tighten up on the outside or blitz from the opposite end.

Exactly.

or playing two Tight Ends where one can also act as part of the receiving corp. This formation happens all the time especially against good defences.

The most dominant offense in the NFL isn't the spread, the read-option or the pistol. The best offense in today's NFL is the two-tight end attack.

It's fast becoming a major part of every pro playbook. The set has revitalized the tight end position and made it as important as wide receiver or running back.

The New England Patriots and San Francisco 49ers have made the dual tight end look their de facto offense of choice. Each has been used to dominate their respective conferences in recent seasons.

Just what makes the two-tight end set so appealing in the modern offense? The reason is it can read and react to shifts and changes on both the 4-3 and 3-4 defencive alignments

That is why the Patriots are a 5 billion times better team when the GRONK plays and is fully fit and functioning.

That is why Vernon Davis was so effective in the Alex Smith and early Colin K years.

Teams prefer not to keep a tight in to block. You're just asking to get green dog'd.