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Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:
I'm so confused with his situation...is he released or what

If cut before new league year dead cap is all in 24. If wait until new league year 9ers have option to designate it post June and spread it over 2 years

They can cut him now and designate it post June 1.

Yup, there's definitely more to this. Let him and his agent test the market, he might be coming back.
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Originally posted by pd24:
They can cut him now and designate it post June 1.

Not til Wednesday when the new year starts. Same reason Russ hasn't officially been released yet.

The NFL salary cap being what it is, there are a few additional twists. A player can be cut as soon as the new league year begins in March and still be designated a June 1 cut, thus saving some cap space in the current year while pushing some of the hit into the following year. Teams are limited to the early (pre-June 1) designation of no more than two players per year as June 1 cuts. This is done to accommodate players who would prefer to be available in free agency immediately rather than wait until June 1 when many teams are close to out of funds for free agency. However, no matter when a player is cut, whether before or after June 1, if he is designated a June 1 cut the team cutting him does not realize any cap savings until after June 1. So a player cut in March but designated a June 1 cut remains on the books of the team cutting him for salary cap purposes even though he is free to sign with any other team immediately. The important thing to note here is that June 1 cuts, though they create more cap space in the current year than pre-June 1 cuts (at the expense of creating more dead money in the following year), do not create ANY cap space until after June 1, long after the free agent market for most of the best players has played out. Thus June 1 cuts, which are sometimes represented as an effective tool for creating extra cap space in free agency, are actually all but useless for that purpose, as you cannot access that cap space until after June 1. The only effective salary cap benefit of a June 1 cut is for use in signing draft picks and other late offseason transactions after a team has been tapped out in free agency.

[ Edited by krizay on Mar 11, 2024 at 8:57 PM ]
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Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by pd24:
They can cut him now and designate it post June 1.

Not til Wednesday when the new year starts. Same reason Russ hasn't officially been released yet.

The NFL salary cap being what it is, there are a few additional twists. A player can be cut as soon as the new league year begins in March and still be designated a June 1 cut, thus saving some cap space in the current year while pushing some of the hit into the following year. Teams are limited to the early (pre-June 1) designation of no more than two players per year as June 1 cuts. This is done to accommodate players who would prefer to be available in free agency immediately rather than wait until June 1 when many teams are close to out of funds for free agency. However, no matter when a player is cut, whether before or after June 1, if he is designated a June 1 cut the team cutting him does not realize any cap savings until after June 1. So a player cut in March but designated a June 1 cut remains on the books of the team cutting him for salary cap purposes even though he is free to sign with any other team immediately. The important thing to note here is that June 1 cuts, though they create more cap space in the current year than pre-June 1 cuts (at the expense of creating more dead money in the following year), do not create ANY cap space until after June 1, long after the free agent market for most of the best players has played out. Thus June 1 cuts, which are sometimes represented as an effective tool for creating extra cap space in free agency, are actually all but useless for that purpose, as you cannot access that cap space until after June 1. The only effective salary cap benefit of a June 1 cut is for use in signing draft picks and other late offseason transactions after a team has been tapped out in free agency.

All the cuts can't take place until the new league year begins. No? Russ might not officially be cut, but he already took visits and agreed to a new contract.
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Originally posted by pd24:
All the cuts can't take place until the new league year begins. No? Russ might not officially be cut, but he already took visits and agreed to a new contract.

The cuts that are or may be designated post June 1st can't be cut until new league starts
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Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by pd24:
All the cuts can't take place until the new league year begins. No? Russ might not officially be cut, but he already took visits and agreed to a new contract.

The cuts that are or may be designated post June 1st can't be cut until new league starts

I see. Thanks
I guess assuming makes an ass out of you and me, which are in the word assume. "You" isn't referring to anyone specifically in this forum. Apparently it's not a forgone conclusion Armstead is getting cut or released or will be.
I think there is a possibility where he tests his market and realizes that his market is not very good. Then he comes back on a significant pay cut.
Originally posted by Brucey72:
I think there is a possibility where he tests his market and realizes that his market is not very good. Then he comes back on a significant pay cut.

That's always a possibility but Saleh or Ryans will probably sign him first.
Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Buckner and AA essentially traded/released for financial reasons...for Kinlaw and Hargrave. Ouch.

Way to oversimplify bro

Oh OK. Buckner gone to resign AA and Ward instead. We draft Kinlaw. Then we sign Hargrave to a Buckner-like deal. Then release AA for cap reasons. Kinlaw signs elsewhere.

Better?
I like the idea of Sheldon Rankins at DT. He has played the 3 years under Saleh and Demeco. Could be good add to interior DL to help replace Armstead
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Brucey72:
I think there is a possibility where he tests his market and realizes that his market is not very good. Then he comes back on a significant pay cut.

That's always a possibility but Saleh or Ryans will probably sign him first.

Also, that's just not economically feasible with the dead cap unless he signs for the minimum. I'm hoping for a late breaking resolution where we find a win-win for both parties. Otherwise, we cut him outright with no foreseeable reunion this year.
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Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Chance he comes back but maybe not. That tweet said nothing. Lol
Originally posted by pd24:
Chance he comes back but maybe not. That tweet said nothing. Lol

Not groundbreaking obviously, but teams being interested is at least a relevant tidbit. We have no $$$
Sucks because i think he got better every year then just got unhealthy. Imo they would have had no issue restructuring his deal with an extension, but his health struggles forced their hand.
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