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Originally posted by All22:
Would Hyder have done so well if he was the #1 guy and all the pass protections were slid his way?

Yes, he would have. Already mentioned this but most of his sacks were when Arik Armstead was off the field.

Arik Armstead is ass. Dee Ford is great but never healthy. Defo is durable and productive but gone. This DL went from historical to being questionable in one season.
[ Edited by Heroism on Feb 11, 2021 at 10:50 AM ]
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Think positive


Lol. Its not like we are talking Solomon Thomas. AA is like John Paxon. He can bury some shots because of focus on Pippen and Jordan. Let's not treat him like he's Jed Buehler lol.

I see what you did there





Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Lol. Its not like we are talking Solomon Thomas. AA is like John Paxon. He can bury some shots because of focus on Pippen and Jordan. Let's not treat him like he's Jed Buehler lol.

The problem is he gets paid like Pippen, but plays like Paxon.
John Lynch, repeat after me:

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Originally posted by walker807:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by walker807:
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
I know hindsight is 20/20 but we really screwed up by going with this bum over paying Buckner. We at one time had a defensive line of Ford, AA, Buckner and Bosa. Now we have a defensive line full of question marks. Is Ford done? Was AA a one year wonder making his money off one on one match ups? Kinlaw flashed, will he continue to improve? How are Kinlaw's knees? Will Bosa be better, worse or the same after his injury? If we paid Buckner at least we would know for certain we got one stud that is gonna be ready to go game 1 2021.

We sign DeFo, we don't have Kittle locked up. Would you feel comfortable needing to pay Kittle with the new lower cap this year? How about Warner? It was never AA or DeFo. Do you seriously think it was a 'well we can keep one or the other' situation on equal footing? Where would you have found the 22 million dolla difference between last year and this year DeFo made that AA didn't? I wanted to keep DeFo, he broke the bank over his first 2 years though. Good for him though and got us a 1st in return so hopefully Kinlaw keeps eating squirrels.

Bingo.

We didn't screw up signing AA. We screwed up trading for Dee Ford.

Both were screw ups. Resigning AA was cool they just drastically overpaid him based off one good season during his contract year. The guy is nowhere near the player his contract would tell us he is.

Thats something that can certainly be said. This whole 'we chose AA over DeFo' thing has become the weakest hot take on the zone. Been repeated adnaseum to boot.

Yea I'm beyond that. One doesn't have anything to do with the other.
This may surprise people but Armstead was 3rd in the league this season for highest run stop win rate among edge defenders at 32%.
Originally posted by JTB1974:
This may surprise people but Armstead was 3rd in the league this season for highest run stop win rate among edge defenders at 32%.

He's 290 lbs edge defender. He should be stopping the run.

But that's not what he's getting paid to do at $17m avg per yr.
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
This may surprise people but Armstead was 3rd in the league this season for highest run stop win rate among edge defenders at 32%.

He's 290 lbs edge defender. He should be stopping the run.

But that's not what he's getting paid to do at $17m avg per yr.

2022 he gets paid $20m to stop the run...
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
This may surprise people but Armstead was 3rd in the league this season for highest run stop win rate among edge defenders at 32%.

He's 290 lbs edge defender. He should be stopping the run.

But that's not what he's getting paid to do at $17m avg per yr.

He's actually a DT, but had to play edge since we had no starting DEs
Originally posted by Heroism:
He's 290 lbs edge defender. He should be stopping the run.

But that's not what he's getting paid to do at $17m avg per yr.

True but I think he was double teamed alot this season due to not having Bosa and Ford. If you are an Oline and look and see that there is no Nick Bosa or Dee Ford, Who are you going to focus on? I also think that's why Hyder had such a good season. Nobody paid much attention to him. Armstead got all the attention.
[ Edited by JTB1974 on Feb 11, 2021 at 7:18 PM ]
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He's actually a DT, but had to play edge since we had no starting DEs

That's incorrect. He's been playing edge because 1) That's where Saleh wanted him. He's had him playing big end/strongside edge since 2017 2) Defo was a significantly better 3tech, so he gets priority at that spot; Kinlaw was drafted to play 3 tech; AA cannot play nose tackle. so there's no interior spot for him in base. He plays plenty of interior snaps in nickel and is ghost.
[ Edited by Heroism on Feb 11, 2021 at 7:20 PM ]
Originally posted by JTB1974:
True but I think he was double teamed alot this season due to not having Bosa and Ford. If you are an Oline and look and see that there is no Nick Bosa or Dee Ford, Who are you going to focus on? I also think that's why Hyder had such a good season. Nobody paid much attention to him. Armstead got all the attention.

I've said this multiple times, but Arik Armstead was NOT on the field for the majority of Hyder's sacks.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
This may surprise people but Armstead was 3rd in the league this season for highest run stop win rate among edge defenders at 32%.

He's 290 lbs edge defender. He should be stopping the run.

But that's not what he's getting paid to do at $17m avg per yr.

He's actually a DT, but had to play edge since we had no starting DEs

He played a ton of DE during his 10 sack season. So much so he wanted to be paid as DE and not a DT. Buck and DJ held down the interior and AA was DE in base downs. He"d bump inside when Ford was heslthy on obvious passing downs
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
This may surprise people but Armstead was 3rd in the league this season for highest run stop win rate among edge defenders at 32%.

He's 290 lbs edge defender. He should be stopping the run.

But that's not what he's getting paid to do at $17m avg per yr.

He's actually a DT, but had to play edge since we had no starting DEs

He played a ton of DE during his 10 sack season. So much so he wanted to be paid as DE and not a DT. Buck and DJ held down the interior and AA was DE in base downs. He"d bump inside when Ford was heslthy on obvious passing downs
We rotated a lot and and with Ford being hurt AA rotated to LDE a lot. But when everyone is healthy he's our LDT

if we can't find another edge then AA again, will not play at the best suited position for him
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We rotated a lot and and with Ford being hurt AA rotated to LDE a lot. But when everyone is healthy he's our LDT

if we can't find another edge then AA again, will not play at the best suited position for him

Again, this is flat-out wrong. Dee Ford was never a base player. Arik Armstead has been a base strong end/big end since 2017. LDT in Kocurek's wide 9 base(over alignment) is the 3tech, which was Defo in 2019 and Kinlaw in 2020. Unless they plan to move Kinlaw to nose, AA will play edge again in base in 2021.

Let's not make s**t up to justify substantially overpaying a mediocre player.
[ Edited by Heroism on Feb 11, 2021 at 8:07 PM ]
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