Jimmy Graham to be traded to Seattle Seahawks

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

The reason I called her out on the pass attempts and including the 4-1 because she said that records are team based. But, then she put a team record after his games where he's thrown more than 25 att. Even she acknowledged that she was wrong in doing so. What's hard to get?

Let me break it down for you. She said that in a couple of games from the 2-9 record Wilson had his best games. So, the 2-9 is misleading(I agree that the Falcon game is he best gam Wilson ever played in the NFL) because of special team lapses, etc
But, She then put 4-1 record after his 25 att games, which includes the Packers playoff game in which Wilson threw 4int and relied on special teams to recover a onside, defense holding Rodgers from picking up a single first down, Marshawn going beast ode, etc just to give Wilson in a chance to win the game. THIS is the reason why I called her out. Can't have it both ways. And she owned up to it. So, I don't understand why can't see that?

Either way, I'm done in here talking about Wilson. I said how I feel about his game. If people want to view him as a elite, shoe in hall of famer then go right ahead. Time will tell who's wrong and who's right.

Some just doesn't use logic and just doesn't get it....not you LV Some people are that way. It's kinda sad but oh well

I too will cut down on making my points about Wilson. It's pretty obvious but it is what it is. Just a little unbelievable how some can't just call a spade a spade

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:


The reason I called her out on the pass attempts and including the 4-1 because she said that records are team based. But, then she put a team record after his games where he's thrown more than 25 att. Even she acknowledged that she was wrong in doing so. What's hard to get?

Let me break it down for you. She said that in a couple of games from the 2-9 record Wilson had his best games. So, the 2-9 is misleading(I agree that the Falcon game is he best gam Wilson ever played in the NFL) because of special team lapses, etc
But, She then put 4-1 record after his 25 att games, which includes the Packers playoff game in which Wilson threw 4int and relied on special teams to recover a onside, defense holding Rodgers from picking up a single first down, Marshawn going beast ode, etc just to give Wilson in a chance to win the game. THIS is the reason why I called her out. Can't have it both ways. And she owned up to it. So, I don't understand why can't see that?

Either way, I'm done in here talking about Wilson. I said how I feel about his game. If people want to view him as a elite, shoe in hall of famer then go right ahead. Time will tell who's wrong and who's right.

I got u the first time and glad u made the post

maybe willow needs his own thread for the ones that want to guzzle on his..... and all these limp biscuits trying to get friendly with Lisa

ewww . . .


Just a couple of things before we get the thread back to Jimmy . . .

I think we can all agree that looking at team record in a vacuum does not prove anything ~ good or bad ~ you gotta watch the games and assess all three phases, not to mention 22+ players in order to really assign credit OR blame.

I've never claimed that RW is elite / future HoF'er, etc. But, I do believe he is MUCH more than a game manager with intangibles up the ying yang. If elguapo and others (who don't root for the Hawks) disagree, seems he would be pleased as punch that RW is the Hawks franchise QB for the foreseeable future.

And yes indeedy, time will tell . . .


OK, Jimmy - it's all about you now


(edited a couple typos but, of course not befor it got quoted )

Originally posted by elguapo:

Some just doesn't use logic and just doesn't get it....not you LV Some people are that way. It's kinda sad but oh well

I too will cut down on making my points about Wilson. It's pretty obvious but it is what it is. Just a little unbelievable how some can't just call a spade a spade

Yep, you've done your job. You tried to inform fellow posters....as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but can't make it drink it

Originally posted by LisaTwelve:
ewww . . .


Just a couple of things before we get the thread back to Jimmy . . .

I think we can all agree that looking at team record in a vacuum does not prove anything ~ good or bad ~ you gotta watch the games and access all three phases, not to mention 22+ players in order to really assess credit OR blame.

I've never claimed that RW is elite / future HoF'er, etc. But, I do believe he is MUCH more than a game manager with intangibles up the ying yang. If elguapo and others (who don't root for the Hawks) disagree, seems he would be pleased as punch that RW is the Hawks franchise QB for the foreseeable future.

And yes indeedy, time will tell . . .


OK, Jimmy - it's all about you now

To his credit, your willow gets himself out of bad situations a lot (behind an average oline) and makes a lot of things happen when it shouldn't have.

Now, he'll have JG to throw to... Jimmy will catch most of those jump balls thrown his way. I wish we had someone like that on our team and Kap would love it too!

Originally posted by elguapo:
Ok. Now this is reaching. Sorry but Lynch IS THE BEST rb in the nfl. Stats DOES NOT ALWAYS TELL all. Dam. When are some of you going to get it.

MONTANA is the best qb ever and his stats would put him maybe out of the top 10. Bradshaw has "won" 4 SUPERBOWLS but he isn't even a top 10 or IMO 20 qb.

Stop it seriously. For you people using stats to refute that RW isn't much more than a solid to good game manager although he doesn't perform close to good in clutch situations like this last year and even in the nfcc games is very telling.

Lynch is the undisputed best back in the league. Done deal. Maybe 90 to 95 percent would agree so just stop with the stats. Dam!

Where did I say anything about Wilson including if I think he is a game manager or not? I was only commenting on your continue reference on Lynch being the best back in the league. I have my opinions about Wilson but I can care less about the debate since its senseless with how deep the trenches are dug in on both sides.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:


The reason I called her out on the pass attempts and including the 4-1 because she said that records are team based. But, then she put a team record after his games where he's thrown more than 25 att. Even she acknowledged that she was wrong in doing so. What's hard to get?

Let me break it down for you. She said that in a couple of games from the 2-9 record Wilson had his best games. So, the 2-9 is misleading(I agree that the Falcon game is he best gam Wilson ever played in the NFL) because of special team lapses, etc
But, She then put 4-1 record after his 25 att games, which includes the Packers playoff game in which Wilson threw 4int and relied on special teams to recover a onside, defense holding Rodgers from picking up a single first down, Marshawn going beast ode, etc just to give Wilson in a chance to win the game. THIS is the reason why I called her out. Can't have it both ways. And she owned up to it. So, I don't understand why can't see that?

Either way, I'm done in here talking about Wilson. I said how I feel about his game. If people want to view him as a elite, shoe in hall of famer then go right ahead. Time will tell who's wrong and who's right.

this is why i'm getting annoyed. NOBODY is claiming that about Wilson in here. As i've mentioned, I would pick Kap over Wilson anyday. However, you guys were using the 2-9 stat as an argument to proof that Wilson is nothing more than a game manager and elguapo kept saying when Wilson has to put the team on his back, he fails. Stats aren't everything, but when a QB is 4-1 when he has over 25 attempts, when Lynch's numbers are night and day pre-Wilson and post-Wilson, it is proof that he is doing something right. Whether it's his uncanny ability to evade defenders or his pure knack for throwing up prayer balls and having them caught, it has helped to win them a championship.

The bigger problem here is the hypocrisy of elguapo continuously calling people out for being apologists, blind or seahawk fans, when he himself doesn't see the irony that Wilson is a SB winning QB and ours isn't.

Originally posted by Fanofthegame:

Where did I say anything about Wilson including if I think he is a game manager or not? I was only commenting on your continue reference on Lynch being the best back in the league. I have my opinions about Wilson but I can care less about the debate since its senseless with how deep the trenches are dug in on both sides.

Sorry I grouped in both lynch and RW. you never said anything about RW, and I wasn't trying to imply you did. I was referring to lynch being the best back in the nfl regardless of his stats. Just as CJ in Detroit may be the best wr or top 3 at least although his STATS might not reflect that. Stats often times does not show who the best at their position is. Lynch is quite a bit better than Murray, it's not even that close actually.

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

this is why i'm getting annoyed. NOBODY is claiming that about Wilson in here. As i've mentioned, I would pick Kap over Wilson anyday. However, you guys were using the 2-9 stat as an argument to proof that Wilson is nothing more than a game manager and elguapo kept saying when Wilson has to put the team on his back, he fails. Stats aren't everything, but when a QB is 4-1 when he has over 25 attempts, when Lynch's numbers are night and day pre-Wilson and post-Wilson, it is proof that he is doing something right. Whether it's his uncanny ability to evade defenders or his pure knack for throwing up prayer balls and having them caught, it has helped to win them a championship.

The bigger problem here is the hypocrisy of elguapo continuously calling people out for being apologists, blind or seahawk fans, when he himself doesn't see the irony that Wilson is a SB winning QB and ours isn't.

No hypocracy at all, maybe you should look up the definition. You are like that guy on princess bride that shouts inconceivable and doesnt know the word.....you are just being foolish and short sighted regarding this argument. Again, I still said RW is a good game manager but he is not when forced to take the team on his back.

We have provided more than just his 2-9 record
We have provided qbr towards the end of games where they are behind
We have also included his bad post season play

Again, assuming if RW throws more than 25 times a game DOES NOT imply he took the team on his back if hes 4-1 in those games you suggested. It may have been a game plan against a bad defense or secondary, not bc they were behind and needed to pass. Did you think about that? Probably not.

Also you said he must be doing something right???? No. Not really.

Was Bradshaw on the steelers?
Was brad Johnson on TB?
Was Trent dilfer on Balt?

Hope you get my drift. Doing something right as you suggest must mean not screwing up and lettin the running game and defense do almost ALL THE WORK.

You stated lynchs stats got better when RW got there. NOPE. that is a weak argument. The oline is a lot better at run blocking and lynch is also a BETTER rb than he was years ago and although you may suggest Wilson has made lynch better it is quite the opposite. Lynch constantly faces 8 in the box sometimes 9 so teams are prepared to stop lynch and most of the time cannot.

Please think before posting at these very rational statements. RW is a sb winning qb and kap is not??? Kap would have had 2 rings the last 2 years on Seattle.

Wimp lol

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Thank you, at leat someone gets me

I agree, with the rest. Sometimes I wonder if I'm on a seahag webzone.

Rumor has it, bunch of Cawk lovers posing as 49er fans trying to stir it up from time to time.

I'm not the one saying it, I'm just saying

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

this is why i'm getting annoyed. NOBODY is claiming that about Wilson in here. As i've mentioned, I would pick Kap over Wilson anyday. However, you guys were using the 2-9 stat as an argument to proof that Wilson is nothing more than a game manager and elguapo kept saying when Wilson has to put the team on his back, he fails. Stats aren't everything, but when a QB is 4-1 when he has over 25 attempts, when Lynch's numbers are night and day pre-Wilson and post-Wilson, it is proof that he is doing something right. Whether it's his uncanny ability to evade defenders or his pure knack for throwing up prayer balls and having them caught, it has helped to win them a championship.

The bigger problem here is the hypocrisy of elguapo continuously calling people out for being apologists, blind or seahawk fans, when he himself doesn't see the irony that Wilson is a SB winning QB and ours isn't.

Talk about being annoyed....I provide you with context as to why I called out Lisa, and all you focus on is the last paragraph.

Also, as for that last paragraph, take a look at pg or two back, and you'll see a poster calling RW top 4 qb. If I'm not mistaken, that would qualify as being called elite.

Furthermore, I don't see the irony of RW being a SB winner, while Kap isn't and what that has to do with anything.

Originally posted by LVJay:

Rumor has it, bunch of Cawk lovers posing as 49er fans trying to stir it up from time to time.

I'm not the one saying it, I'm just saying

Yep. You just have to weed out the trolls. Gotta give props to Lisa, Zaghawk for showing their true colors, though.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Talk about being annoyed....I provide you with context as to why I called out Lisa, and all you focus on is the last paragraph.

Also, as for that last paragraph, take a look at pg or two back, and you'll see a poster calling RW top 4 qb. If I'm not mistaken, that would qualify as being called elite.

Furthermore, I don't see the irony of RW being a SB winner, while Kap isn't and what that has to do with anything.

So so true. He did call him a top 4 qb. LIAR. LIAR. HUMPERDINK HUMPERDINK.

I was right about the princess bride guy. He is it. The guy who doesn't know what he's saying haha.

I Also loved how he used RW as a sb winner to try to disprove anything at all???? I think someone's dipped into the crazy pills again

Holy cow Guapo's on a roll. The boy just loves to go on and on with his nonsense spew :P

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Holy cow Guapo's on a roll. The boy just loves to go on and on with his nonsense spew :P

And you love to point it out without owning up to your falsities, delusional posts and utter denial. Keep the great posts coming.