Jimmy Graham to be traded to Seattle Seahawks

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by Fanofthegame:

Originally posted by LVJay:
It's not the same BuZz... this one's a knock off??

Banned webzone BuZz is on .net now. Pretty sure he is still banned from this board.

they'll never know what hit them

Originally posted by bors:
how the hell does BuZz get banned. ???

idk, man... I guess some peeps have low tolerance for terrible grammar

I heard BuZz has two English degrees from the same schools as RedAlice.

Originally posted by Black24Razor:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by Fanofthegame:

Originally posted by LVJay:
It's not the same BuZz... this one's a knock off??

Banned webzone BuZz is on .net now. Pretty sure he is still banned from this board.

they'll never know what hit them

Originally posted by bors:
how the hell does BuZz get banned. ???

idk, man... I guess some peeps have low tolerance for terrible grammar

I heard BuZz has two English degrees from the same schools as RedAlice.

I want to visit that place!

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

I don't care what spin job they try and put on but, 2-9 is horrible. Especially, with a historical defense that will usually hold opponents to below 18 pts. The times that they need RW to do his job.......well, you get 2-9.

I'm sure Kap can't be that bad. I've seen him lead some high scoring shoot outs.

Interesting that Andrew Luck is 11-16

It IS A TELLING STAT, especially since those other qbs don't have one of the BEST DEFENSES of ALL TIME not to mention RUNNING GAMES. Wilson almost never has to throw over 25 to 30 times a game and when he is forced to throw or take the game into his own hands HE FAILS..2-9

Kap faces better defenses and I believe was 6-8. It is a very very telling stat and even more so when other qbs do it with a lot less help. AGAIN BEST D AND RUNNING GAME.

stop making excuses and realize that rw is a good game manager WHEN he isn't forced to win the game himself.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
what's kaps record?

I don't care what spin job they try and put on but, 2-9 is horrible. Especially, with a historical defense that will usually hold opponents to below 18 pts. The times that they need RW to do his job.......well, you get 2-9.

I'm sure Kap can't be that bad. I've seen him lead some high scoring shoot outs.

Interesting that Andrew Luck is 11-16

Kap is 6-8-1. That's actually amazing

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

I don't care what spin job they try and put on but, 2-9 is horrible. Especially, with a historical defense that will usually hold opponents to below 18 pts. The times that they need RW to do his job.......well, you get 2-9.

I'm sure Kap can't be that bad. I've seen him lead some high scoring shoot outs.

Interesting that Andrew Luck is 11-16

It IS A TELLING STAT, especially since those other qbs don't have one of the BEST DEFENSES of ALL TIME not to mention RUNNING GAMES. Wilson almost never has to throw over 25 to 30 times a game and when he is forced to throw or take the game into his own hands HE FAILS..2-9

Kap faces better defenses and I believe was 6-8. It is a very very telling stat and even more so when other qbs do it with a lot less help. AGAIN BEST D AND RUNNING GAME.

stop making excuses and realize that rw is a good game manager WHEN he isn't forced to win the game himself.

I agree.

It amazes me how people can't see this. He is a qb that still has many flaws but, get overlooked because his defense and running game are ELITE(Top overall respectively).Also, special team ranked near the top. The only area that ranks near the bottom is passing.

All of this, leaves Wilson with one job, and thats to not f**k it up. Although, as we seen on the SB he has trouble with that task.

At this moment, he's just a game manager, that shows flashes of brilliance, coupled with luck. What was it , like over ten fumbles and ALL recovered? If that is not luck, I don't know what is....

I'm hoping the Hawks pay him a large amount guaranteed. Because soon enough they will live to regret it without Lynch and high priced defensive players coming off injuries.

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Kap is 6-8-1. That's actually amazing

Damn that is really good.

Originally posted by elguapo:
It IS A TELLING STAT, especially since those other qbs don't have one of the BEST DEFENSES of ALL TIME not to mention RUNNING GAMES. Wilson almost never has to throw over 25 to 30 times a game and when he is forced to throw or take the game into his own hands HE FAILS..2-9

Kap faces better defenses and I believe was 6-8. It is a very very telling stat and even more so when other qbs do it with a lot less help. AGAIN BEST D AND RUNNING GAME.

stop making excuses and realize that rw is a good game manager WHEN he isn't forced to win the game himself.

Granted, the 2-9 doesn't look too good
I think this is a regurgitated conversation but, seems a bit unrealistic to look at records in a vacuum. In five of those games RW had a passer rating of 100+ and in two of them 96+ suggesting reasons other than his performance (or lack thereof) as the reason for the losses in those situations (e.g., special teams breakdown on punt returns and trick plays come to mind for a couple). Just like he's not the sole reason for the Hawks sucess in the past three seasons, he's likely not the sole reason for the 2-9 record in games where the opposition scores 24 or more.

As for "almost never has to throw 25 to 30 times" . . .
~ of RW's 48 regular season games, he has attempted 25 or more passes in 28 of them (17-11)
~ of RW's 8 post season games, he has attempted 25 or more passes in 5 of them (4-1)

Originally posted by elguapo:
It's kinda funny that Wilson's two good games came against average defenses. Sorry by that's the truth. Atl was horrible and Carolina, your got to be kidding me? 21st in points without Star L???? But hey, as you said they won 5 in a row. Wow. Whatever makes it sound better I guess. They were 7-8-1 by the way and Atlantas defense......well.....they didn't have one. I hope you're noticing a pattern here bc it's pretty easy to see. I just don't know why it's so hard for fans to just call a spade a spade and admit that a player isn't as good as advertised or in RWs case, not even close. But oh well. I'm just glad I'm not in denial.

Another rehashment - I think we need some new material
Maybe I'm wrong but, it would stand to reason that most QB's have better games against lessor defenses.
In any case, each can only play the games on the schedule . . .
It's a SSS but, of the top 12 regular season games of RW's career (120+ passer rating), 6 were vs. top 10 defenses for total record of 11-1

Originally posted by LisaTwelve:

Originally posted by elguapo:
It IS A TELLING STAT, especially since those other qbs don't have one of the BEST DEFENSES of ALL TIME not to mention RUNNING GAMES. Wilson almost never has to throw over 25 to 30 times a game and when he is forced to throw or take the game into his own hands HE FAILS..2-9

Kap faces better defenses and I believe was 6-8. It is a very very telling stat and even more so when other qbs do it with a lot less help. AGAIN BEST D AND RUNNING GAME.

stop making excuses and realize that rw is a good game manager WHEN he isn't forced to win the game himself.

Granted, the 2-9 doesn't look too good
I think this is a regurgitated conversation but, seems a bit unrealistic to look at records in a vacuum. In five of those games RW had a passer rating of 100+ and in two of them 96+ suggesting reasons other than his performance (or lack thereof) as the reason for the losses in those situations (e.g., special teams breakdown on punt returns and trick plays come to mind for a couple). Just like he's not the sole reason for the Hawks sucess in the past three seasons, he's likely not the sole reason for the 2-9 record in games where the opposition scores 24 or more.

As for "almost never has to throw 25 to 30 times" . . .
~ of RW's 48 regular season games, he has attempted 25 or more passes in 28 of them (17-11)
~ of RW's 8 post season games, he has attempted 25 or more passes in 5 of them (4-1)

damn lol

Good god

Lol don't put the 2-9 record solely on Russell, because it's a team game......proceeds to put team record next to a singular stat

"of RW's 8 post season games, he has attempted 25 or more passes in 5 of them (4-1)"

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Lol don't put the 2-9 record solely on Russell, because it's a team game......proceeds to put team record next to a singular stat

"of RW's 8 post season games, he has attempted 25 or more passes in 5 of them (4-1)"

Yes, it's just pathetic now. Rw apologist.

I guess stating the obvious is now called regurgitating eveidence. And trying to argue and do spin jobs to counter the facts that rw is not that good and when is counted on, disappoints

Maybe if kap ever goes 2-9 against teams that score 24 points or more WITHOUT THE BEST RB AND DEFENSE......whoops. He hasn't. He has done astoundingly well.

Most of us are NOT like these dillusional apologist Seahawks fans. We criticise kap when it's HIS FAULT and judge him on that. Seahawks fans are more in denial and I guess aren't either intelligent enough to accept reality or simply creating their own reality. Either way, it's slightly amusing and quite pathetic. Sad really.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Yes, it's just pathetic now. Rw apologist.

I guess stating the obvious is now called regurgitating eveidence. And trying to argue and do spin jobs to counter the facts that rw is not that good and when is counted on, disappoints

Maybe if kap ever goes 2-9 against teams that score 24 points or more WITHOUT THE BEST RB AND DEFENSE......whoops. He hasn't. He has done astoundingly well.

Most of us are NOT like these dillusional apologist Seahawks fans. We criticise kap when it's HIS FAULT and judge him on that. Seahawks fans are more in denial and I guess aren't either intelligent enough to accept reality or simply creating their own reality. Either way, it's slightly amusing and quite pathetic. Sad really.

The pot is calling the kettle black.

And our fan base is every bit as delusional and biased as theirs is or can be, Niner Talk is very much proof of that as are a load of the comments that get made in this thread. One cannot measure which fan base is more delusional, it is all just guesswork or assumptions to the fact.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Lol don't put the 2-9 record solely on Russell, because it's a team game......proceeds to put team record next to a singular stat

"of RW's 8 post season games, he has attempted 25 or more passes in 5 of them (4-1)"

You're right, I should have left off the team record for those games, as my main point was to refute the claim that RW "almost never has to throw 25-30 times" - when in fact, he has done exactly that in more than half of all the games he's played so far.

Originally posted by LisaTwelve:

Originally posted by elguapo:
It IS A TELLING STAT, especially since those other qbs don't have one of the BEST DEFENSES of ALL TIME not to mention RUNNING GAMES. Wilson almost never has to throw over 25 to 30 times a game and when he is forced to throw or take the game into his own hands HE FAILS..2-9

Kap faces better defenses and I believe was 6-8. It is a very very telling stat and even more so when other qbs do it with a lot less help. AGAIN BEST D AND RUNNING GAME.

stop making excuses and realize that rw is a good game manager WHEN he isn't forced to win the game himself.

Granted, the 2-9 doesn't look too good
I think this is a regurgitated conversation but, seems a bit unrealistic to look at records in a vacuum. In five of those games RW had a passer rating of 100+ and in two of them 96+ suggesting reasons other than his performance (or lack thereof) as the reason for the losses in those situations (e.g., special teams breakdown on punt returns and trick plays come to mind for a couple). Just like he's not the sole reason for the Hawks sucess in the past three seasons, he's likely not the sole reason for the 2-9 record in games where the opposition scores 24 or more.

As for "almost never has to throw 25 to 30 times" . . .
~ of RW's 48 regular season games, he has attempted 25 or more passes in 28 of them (17-11)
~ of RW's 8 post season games, he has attempted 25 or more passes in 5 of them (4-1)

You can't use QB rating to suggest he did enough to win those games. Alex Smith used to put up good QB ratings, but when you look at what he did overall, it simply wasn't enough to win the game. A bunch of safe throws will make that QB rating skyrocket, but they won't have enough of an impact to put you ahead. Granted, I didn't bother to look up Wilson's stats in those games, but my point is QB ratings are often misleading.