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4everFaithful · 2015-01-22T15:39:08-08:00

How do you feel about this hire? I like it.

Jan 21, 2016 at 3:39 PM

carlgo
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Nobody likes that 49er staple of using prevent and bend but don't break defenses. Got to get pass rushers, LBs, play up and be aggressive or the D will live on the field. I worry because the D was set up that way even when the Niners weren't scoring any points and really needed the ball back. Don't know if other DCs would have this scheme or not.

[ Edited by carlgo on Jan 21, 2016 at 3:42 PM ]

Jan 21, 2016 at 3:45 PM

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dtg_9er
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Originally posted by carlgo:
Nobody likes that 49er staple of using prevent and bend but don't break defenses. Got to get pass rushers, LBs, play up and be aggressive or the D will live on the field. I worry because the D was set up that way even when the Niners weren't scoring any points and really needed the ball back.

In fairness, 9ers coach Dick Nolan was one of, if not the main, inventor of the bend don't break defense...and one of the most successful coaches at the time. Always came close, but never made the SB. Mangini is the opposite type DC. He likes sending players from almost ever position on blitzes and uses many variations in the backfield. Fangio was closer to Nolan Sr than most DCs we've had.

Jan 21, 2016 at 3:47 PM

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Phoenix49ers
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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Unless he has options, Vrabel would be nuts to decline this offer.

The only way he declines imo is if the Texans give him a hefty raise and a firm guarantee of becoming DC in a year or two though that is meaningless if O'Belichick gets fired in the meantime.

Jan 21, 2016 at 4:15 PM

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TheWooLick
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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Unless he has options, Vrabel would be nuts to decline this offer.

The only other reason I could think of would be if he thought being a DC for Chip would be a bad career move because of the discrepancy in TOP that Chip's offense creates.

Jan 21, 2016 at 4:17 PM

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DonnieDarko
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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Unless he has options, Vrabel would be nuts to decline this offer.

Unless Vrabel thinks he'll get canned after 1 year if the D under performs. Which isn't fair obviously, we need to accumulate more talent on D.

Jan 21, 2016 at 6:33 PM

#2856

ltrain
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Welcome back f**ker

Jan 21, 2016 at 6:53 PM

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TyCore
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crap

Jan 21, 2016 at 7:05 PM

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njninersfan420
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Didn't expect vrabel to reject, oh well

Jan 22, 2016 at 1:57 PM

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LifelongNiner
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by carlgo:
Nobody likes that 49er staple of using prevent and bend but don't break defenses. Got to get pass rushers, LBs, play up and be aggressive or the D will live on the field. I worry because the D was set up that way even when the Niners weren't scoring any points and really needed the ball back.

In fairness, 9ers coach Dick Nolan was one of, if not the main, inventor of the bend don't break defense...and one of the most successful coaches at the time. Always came close, but never made the SB. Mangini is the opposite type DC. He likes sending players from almost ever position on blitzes and uses many variations in the backfield. Fangio was closer to Nolan Sr than most DCs we've had.

I wasn't around to see Nolan, but would he have gotten that from his time with Tom Landry?

Jan 22, 2016 at 2:03 PM

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