Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Food for thought: Vic Fangio's defenses ranked in the bottom 50% of the league in pts allowed for 7 straight years - in fact, he ranked dead last in this category his last DC stint - before joining the 49ers. After his first year, it was #2 in the league.

Niner Talk criticized the hire in 2010 before of his horrific fielded defenses for multiple years - a Nolan-esque resume. And now he's a god on this forum.

Let's give Mangini a chance before we dismiss this hire. He could surprise a lot of people.

After what he did with backups he deserved that "title"

If Mangini was that smart/great why the hell was he coaching TE's here and not picked up by another team to actually coach something on D? Are we the only team that's aware of his greatness or did we settle for the only guy left?

There are tons of coaches that have coached on the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. Mike Nolan, John Harbaugh, Jason Tarver are a few.

Hue Jackson coached the Bengals secondary before he moved to QB coach and now is the OC for that team. It broadens their skill set and resume.

But where is/was the market interest for him? from what I've seen reported we were down to almost no other options. We didn't get who we wanted, we settled.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Food for thought: Vic Fangio's defenses ranked in the bottom 50% of the league in pts allowed for 7 straight years - in fact, he ranked dead last in this category his last DC stint - before joining the 49ers. After his first year, it was #2 in the league.

Niner Talk criticized the hire in 2010 before of his horrific fielded defenses for multiple years - a Nolan-esque resume. And now he's a god on this forum.

Let's give Mangini a chance before we dismiss this hire. He could surprise a lot of people.

After what he did with backups he deserved that "title"

If Mangini was that smart/great why the hell was he coaching TE's here and not picked up by another team to actually coach something on D? Are we the only team that's aware of his greatness or did we settle for the only guy left?

There are tons of coaches that have coached on the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. Mike Nolan, John Harbaugh, Jason Tarver are a few.

Hue Jackson coached the Bengals secondary before he moved to QB coach and now is the OC for that team. It broadens their skill set and resume.

But where is/was the market interest for him? from what I've seen reported we were down to almost no other options. We didn't get who we wanted, we settled.

I'm sure Vance Joseph was our primary choice, but at least Mangini has DC and HC experience - something that Joseph didn't have.

Vic Fangio didn't have market interest at the NFL. Hell, he couldn't even get a NFL gig and went to Stanford before joining the 49ers.

I wonder if the crew of the Titanic remained such adamant fans of the Captain when the ship was sinking. I bet if they could go back and do it over, they'd want a new Captain.

Fans of these 49ers who tell fellow 49er fans to go find a new team...smh. Come gameday we're all 49er fans, but it's like you can't criticize the team's moves without some knucklehead telling you to go root for another team.

Originally posted by insanemike27:
I posted this in the DC thread, thought maybe it would be relevant here and maybe some missed it.



Prior to becoming the defensive coordinator for the 49ers, Fangio's defenses only cracked the top 10 twice.

Defensive rankings by year.

'95-7th
'96-10th
'97-15th
'98-30th
'99-15th
'00-21st
'01-29th
'02-16th
'03-31st
'04-23rd
'05-31st

Whats your point? Fangio has already proven he is more than capable. Why get rid of an already successful coach for a garbage one that gets a chance to redeem himself, with this teams success hanging in the balance?

Originally posted by mato49er:
I wonder if the crew of the Titanic remained such adamant fans of the Captain when the ship was sinking. I bet if they could go back and do it over, they'd want a new Captain.

Fans of these 49ers who tell fellow 49er fans to go find a new team...smh. Come gameday we're all 49er fans, but it's like you can't criticize the team's moves without some knucklehead telling you to go root for another team.

Yup, and before Harbaugh this kind of thinking ran rampant around Nolan and that Singlecell dude. As if them having those jobs meant they knew better than us. LOL. How'd that work out.

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by insanemike27:
I posted this in the DC thread, thought maybe it would be relevant here and maybe some missed it.



Prior to becoming the defensive coordinator for the 49ers, Fangio's defenses only cracked the top 10 twice.

Defensive rankings by year.

'95-7th
'96-10th
'97-15th
'98-30th
'99-15th
'00-21st
'01-29th
'02-16th
'03-31st
'04-23rd
'05-31st

Whats your point? Fangio has already proven he is more than capable. Why get rid of an already successful coach for a garbage one that gets a chance to redeem himself, with this teams success hanging in the balance?

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Food for thought: Vic Fangio's defenses ranked in the bottom 50% of the league in pts allowed for 7 straight years - in fact, he ranked dead last in this category his last DC stint - before joining the 49ers. After his first year, it was #2 in the league.

Niner Talk criticized the hire in 2010 before of his horrific fielded defenses for multiple years - a Nolan-esque resume. And now he's a god on this forum.

Let's give Mangini a chance before we dismiss this hire. He could surprise a lot of people.

After what he did with backups he deserved that "title"

If Mangini was that smart/great why the hell was he coaching TE's here and not picked up by another team to actually coach something on D? Are we the only team that's aware of his greatness or did we settle for the only guy left?

There are tons of coaches that have coached on the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. Mike Nolan, John Harbaugh, Jason Tarver are a few.

Hue Jackson coached the Bengals secondary before he moved to QB coach and now is the OC for that team. It broadens their skill set and resume.

But where is/was the market interest for him? from what I've seen reported we were down to almost no other options. We didn't get who we wanted, we settled.

We settled on another coach with a lot of experience and made him an assistant. After thinking about it for a few days, I'm on board with the FO plans. We are taking the leagues failed head coaches and assembling a misfit coaching staff. These coaches had to have made their way to the top of the coaching tree by being good assistant coaches in the first place. Baalke is assembling a coaching staff as if it were a 53 man roster, it's f n brilliant if you ask me.

The hire is a good scheme fit and won't be a big change from what they've been doing under Fangio. Of course, there's more to it than just being a scheme fit. We'll see how well Mangini can scout the opposing offense, prepare the gameplan, and perform on Sundays. Some of us wanted to go to a base 4-3 to get Borland on the field. That most likely will not be happening. Mangini is very much a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" type of hire with regards to scheme. He does have a lot to prove and who knows how active he was with defensive play calls in his HC stints.

I'm not too worried about Mangini the a*****e coach. That was him as a HC. He shouldn't be in a position to have that type of influence here. The team's morale and drive should come from Tomsula.

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by insanemike27:
I posted this in the DC thread, thought maybe it would be relevant here and maybe some missed it.



Prior to becoming the defensive coordinator for the 49ers, Fangio's defenses only cracked the top 10 twice.

Defensive rankings by year.

'95-7th
'96-10th
'97-15th
'98-30th
'99-15th
'00-21st
'01-29th
'02-16th
'03-31st
'04-23rd
'05-31st

Whats your point? Fangio has already proven he is more than capable. Why get rid of an already successful coach for a garbage one that gets a chance to redeem himself, with this teams success hanging in the balance?

Talent will make or break a coach, is what I see in those stats.

Originally posted by mato49er:

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by insanemike27:

I posted this in the DC thread, thought maybe it would be relevant here and maybe some missed it.



Prior to becoming the defensive coordinator for the 49ers, Fangio's defenses only cracked the top 10 twice.

Defensive rankings by year.

'95-7th
'96-10th
'97-15th
'98-30th
'99-15th
'00-21st
'01-29th
'02-16th
'03-31st
'04-23rd
'05-31st

Whats your point? Fangio has already proven he is more than capable. Why get rid of an already successful coach for a garbage one that gets a chance to redeem himself, with this teams success hanging in the balance?

Why? Maybe because Fangio did not like the direction that the team was heading. We blocked Washington from interviewing him while we were still searching for a HC. He felt disrespected and did not force him to stay. The last thing this franchise needs is a coaching staff who doesn't want to be here.

The stats weren't about whether or not Fangio was a good coordinator. Instead they were posted to prove that just because someone like Mangini didn't produce a top 5 defense prior to becoming our DC doesn't mean he can't pull it off with the talent we have.

We makin' the playoffs next season?

Originally posted by thl408:
I think it helps that Mangini has been in the NFC West for two seasons. Although he's been working on the offensive side of the ball, it still provides a bit of familiarity with division foes and cuts down on ramp up time. Plus he already knows the defensive personnel. We'll see how he performs as a game planner.

Originally posted by thl408:
The hire is a good scheme fit and won't be a big change from what they've been doing under Fangio. Of course, there's more to it than just being a scheme fit. We'll see how well Mangini can scout the opposing offense, prepare the gameplan, and perform on Sundays. Some of us wanted to go to a base 4-3 to get Borland on the field. That most likely will not be happening. Mangini is very much a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" type of hire with regards to scheme. He does have a lot to prove and who knows how active he was with defensive play calls in his HC stints.

I'm not too worried about Mangini the a*****e coach. That was him as a HC. He shouldn't be in a position to have that type of influence here. The team's morale and drive should come from Tomsula.

I am not worried about that part he learned from the best with the hoddie. .

Jed and Trent are hiring the Italian Raiders Rejects as the 49ers coaches. Awwwwsome!! All we need know is a godfather and we can have our own episode of the Mob wifes.