the nfl should be embarassed

Originally posted by hofer36:
with the performance of gene sterratore and his crew....first of all im not blaiming them for the loss...they missed a all time great play by bowman but niners forced fumble....the running into the kicker penalty had more of an impact on the game as it denied niners a chance to move the ball downfield and gave seattle great field position and they scored (niners should have stopped them--so they cant really complain)

the embarassment comes from this being, supposedly one of their top crews and all of them miss bowman swiping the ball

and they dont know their own rule book, as to the fact that hittting the punters plant leg is roughing not running into the kicker, as mike perreria pointed out...damn, andy lee's ankle bent under the pressure exerted by the seahawk player...im sure pete carroll gladly trades a 5 yard penalty for taking out a pro bowl punter, even if he did have a bad game

i would be making this post if it happened in the bronco ats game, it is just an embarassment to a great game...and it is not the first embarassing game for the refs...jerome boger and his crew last superbowl, allowing cary williams o hit a ref, allowing bruce miller to be held on jones kickoff return for td and then not throwing a flag when all ravens players deliberately hold on their last punt.. again ravens were better team and beat niners regardless of refs, it is just embaraasing rodger goodall..to quote chris carter "cmon man"

It is always on a team to win the game but I completely agree. The issue isn't just them missing it, its loopholes in the rules that don't allow things to be reviewed. If they have to review every score, situations like those you described should be reviewed as well. Especially the fumble. I also think what Maragos did to Lee was intentional. He added a little extra roll. The NFL asks a lot of the refs and I really think what it comes down to is which ones made the least amount of mistakes in the previous playoff games. That crew was NOT very good but I have seen worse too.

And who ever asked the NFL to institute the review of every single score? That was dumb and totally slows down the game. 75% of scoring plays have nothing to look at again except for replay value.

If they ceased reviewing every single score(and under 2 minute stuff), gave the HCs 1 more challenge, open up everything to review, the game would actually go faster

I would like to see a team completely leave the field in response to one of these atrocious calls. Like the Packers started to do right after the Fail Mary but before they pussied out and returned for the extra point. Someone has to put a check on these refs. If the league won't hold them accountable, the teams should. Hijack the game. Make a bold statement.

Erm... not the reason we lost the game fellas.

Originally posted by NickSh49:
Erm... not the reason we lost the game fellas.

over simplistic response is over simplistic

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Erm... not the reason we lost the game fellas.

Not sure if their talking about just this game. Officiating is just bad every game and for us it cost us a game or two.

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by NickSh49:
Erm... not the reason we lost the game fellas.

over simplistic response is over simplistic

The OP stated he's not blaming the loss on the refs. The calls did not cost us the game.

Just pointing out it was a poorly officiated game, and the NFL is generally a poorly officiated sport. That's a fact.

Originally posted by hofer36:
with the performance of gene sterratore and his crew....first of all im not blaiming them for the loss...they missed a all time great play by bowman but niners forced fumble....the running into the kicker penalty had more of an impact on the game as it denied niners a chance to move the ball downfield and gave seattle great field position and they scored (niners should have stopped them--so they cant really complain)

the embarassment comes from this being, supposedly one of their top crews and all of them miss bowman swiping the ball

and they dont know their own rule book, as to the fact that hittting the punters plant leg is roughing not running into the kicker, as mike perreria pointed out...damn, andy lee's ankle bent under the pressure exerted by the seahawk player...im sure pete carroll gladly trades a 5 yard penalty for taking out a pro bowl punter, even if he did have a bad game

i would be making this post if it happened in the bronco ats game, it is just an embarassment to a great game...and it is not the first embarassing game for the refs...jerome boger and his crew last superbowl, allowing cary williams o hit a ref, allowing bruce miller to be held on jones kickoff return for td and then not throwing a flag when all ravens players deliberately hold on their last punt.. again ravens were better team and beat niners regardless of refs, it is just embaraasing rodger goodall..to quote chris carter "cmon man"

Great post but the above statement is not true. The Ravens were not better. Take away the kickoff return (and don't forget the blatant hold of Crabtree on the last sequence in the red zone in the SB) and the Niners win...

The problem with the refs deciding games with bad calls is the better team is not determined. In yesterday's game, the Niners really dominated in the first half and the Hawks in the second. Which team is better? If they played the game in SF (and should have if it weren't for a bad call in New Orleans against Brooks) the Niners probably win.

The NFL is a joke right now. The two best teams in the league and a ref crew of clowns.....just inexcusable with the money the league makes every year. The obvious solution is to have 2 refs in the booth...one to look over the play to see if penalties are missed and another to look at penalties called on the field to determine if they are valid. Replays come on the TV in 15 seconds so speed is not an issue With the technology the league has today, there is simply no excuse for missing any calls.

This shows the mindset of the owners, keep the refs on a part time basis. Where does that money they save from not having full time refs go? For humanitarian causes? Or does it go right in the pockets of the owners. I don't want to see full time lawyers or insurance agents or basketball refs be part time help for the NFL. The NFL thinks there is no problems with their part time refs. They also believed concussions were not an issue when two over-sized men collide at full speed.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

This shows the mindset of the owners, keep the refs on a part time basis. Where does that money they save from not having full time refs go? For humanitarian causes? Or does it go right in the pockets of the owners. I don't want to see full time lawyers or insurance agents or basketball refs be part time help for the NFL. The NFL thinks there is no problems with their part time refs. They also believed concussions were not an issue when two over-sized men collide at full speed.

Good post.

I'm not one to spend other peoples money but c'mon NFL. You have the highest grossing sport of the 3 major sports and you're nickel and diming with part time referees? All professional sports should have full time refs and umpires, but the NFL due to how much money it's making really need to start the trend. The sports entertainment industry is making hand over fist money. The NFL alone is making the type of money that allows for Goodell to make $30 million a few year back as a salary, yet we can't get refs who not only know the rules but also that are required to be accountable for blown or missed calls? How about some system that starts taking away or docking game checks for whole crews that are habitually inept? Make you think twice about tossing that yellow out there for questionable sht wouldn't it?

Nobody is asking for them to try and call every single infraction. The speed of the game has increased astronomically over the past 20 years and that would be impossible to ask. So taking that into consideration it seems like common sense for the league to stop trying to have the refs micro manage games due to having Goodell and the front office adding new rules and interpretations to these rules that only cause refs to get mixed up and confused when trying to distinguish the difference between roughing the kicker and running into the kicker which seems to be as black and white as it comes yet "one of the best crews in the NFL" found a way to fck it up royally.

They just need to institute more reviews/challenges for plays like Lee's interference and Bowman's picks. It'll slow down the game but it'll be worth it for the victimized team.

Originally posted by BobS:

Fans that continually complain about the officiating are the ones who should be embarrassed. You have 7 guys watching 22 that are going full speed at field level, there will be mistakes. They all balance out, the officials are not determining the outcome of games the way many of you biased homers think. If the NFL really cared who won a team with a small following like the Seahawks would not be in the Super Bowl.

I heard that a ref (not sure if it was the head ref) in this game was also reffing college hoops games in the days prior to the NFC championship game. All because the NFL is too cheap to pay their officials full time.

The NFL should be embarrassed. Fatigue should not be an issue for officials prior to any game, let alone league championship games. Biased homerism has nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

This shows the mindset of the owners, keep the refs on a part time basis. Where does that money they save from not having full time refs go? For humanitarian causes? Or does it go right in the pockets of the owners. I don't want to see full time lawyers or insurance agents or basketball refs be part time help for the NFL. The NFL thinks there is no problems with their part time refs. They also believed concussions were not an issue when two over-sized men collide at full speed.

They do have the money to pay for full-time refs.

The National Football League continues to be the most lucrative sports league in the world.
The NFL's 32 teams are worth, on average, $1.17 billion, 5% more than last year. The Cleveland Browns, a lousy team for years in a midsize market, sold for almost $1 billion last year.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2013/08/14/the-most-valuable-nfl-teams/

There is a problem and it should be obvious.

This is like having a part time police force for a major city.

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by BobS:

Fans that continually complain about the officiating are the ones who should be embarrassed. You have 7 guys watching 22 that are going full speed at field level, there will be mistakes. They all balance out, the officials are not determining the outcome of games the way many of you biased homers think. If the NFL really cared who won a team with a small following like the Seahawks would not be in the Super Bowl.

I heard that a ref (not sure if it was the head ref) in this game was also reffing college hoops games in the days prior to the NFC championship game. All because the NFL is too cheap to pay their officials full time.

The NFL should be embarrassed. Fatigue should not be an issue for officials prior to any game, let alone league championship games. Biased homerism has nothing to do with it.

It was Seretore. He does NCAA basketball as well as NFL games.

Refs are not underpaid

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