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Originally posted by buck:
Trade Kaepernick, Stevie Johnson, and Patrick Willis to the Brown for Gordon and Manziel.
Trade our first, Bowman, Boone, Hyde and Staley to Tampa Bay for the #1 pick.
Use the number #1 pick to draft Dorial Green-Beckham.
Originally posted by lordsilva25:
I'm so disgusted that when I go to the bathroom I.forget to wipe.
Originally posted by Empire49:
Originally posted by buck:
Trade Kaepernick, Stevie Johnson, and Patrick Willis to the Brown for Gordon and Manziel.
Trade our first, Bowman, Boone, Hyde and Staley to Tampa Bay for the #1 pick.
Use the number #1 pick to draft Dorial Green-Beckham.
The thought of trading Bowman away makes me sick. Come on, man.
Acquiring Manziel also makes me want to vomit.
Originally posted by Empire49:
You are asking the wrong question. The real question is how many good WRs did we pass on knowing that WR was a top need? Just because we didn't draft a bunch of failures at the position doesn't mean that we didn't fail at properly identifying and selecting good prospects. We let way too many impact receivers slide right by us while we drafted players at positions that should have been a lower priority. Believe it or not, continuously allowing good WRs to slip past you means you can't seem to draft WRs.
Gordon was viewed as a perpetual problem by the Browns former regime, who tried repeatedly to trade him last season only to be vetoed by ownership, sources said. He struggled to integrate to the team despite the Browns spending considerable resources to try to guide him, he was habitually late to meetings and practices, and that behavior has continued in head coach Mike Pettine's rookie season at the helm, sources said.
Gordon "has to go," according to several members of the organization, with his drug suspensions and lax behavior a growing problem and something they are concerned could rub off on young players on the roster. Of course, it remains to be seen if Browns owner Jimmy Haslam will be willing to take reduced compensation for the diminishing asset, after being enthralled by Gordon's breakthrough 2012 campaign.
Gordon has superior athletic talent but is a failed drug test away from having his career back in jeopardy and with another long offseason looming, expect the Browns to try to reap whatever little compensation they can get for him and move on.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Empire49:
You are asking the wrong question. The real question is how many good WRs did we pass on knowing that WR was a top need? Just because we didn't draft a bunch of failures at the position doesn't mean that we didn't fail at properly identifying and selecting good prospects. We let way too many impact receivers slide right by us while we drafted players at positions that should have been a lower priority. Believe it or not, continuously allowing good WRs to slip past you means you can't seem to draft WRs.
I think the larger problem is that this team struggles to use receivers from the get-go. I can't think of any receiver that they've had or had that wouldn't be more successful elsewhere. Guys like Patton and Ellington are the types of receivers that the Packers and Steelers regularly draft, develop and then turn into starters 2 or 3 years down the road. Here they can't even get on the field.
I don't think there's any receiver that this team could draft and use them to their full ability at this juncture. So it becomes irrelevant who they did or did not draft, they wouldn't look anything like they look on other teams.
This might change with a new coaching staff but for a team that built its success on the WCO, seeing them have one of the consistently s**ttiest passing offenses in the NFL for over a decade now is quite disheartening. Seeing teams with less talent having more success is even more so.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by Empire49:You are asking the wrong question. The real question is how many good WRs did we pass on knowing that WR was a top need? Just because we didn't draft a bunch of failures at the position doesn't mean that we didn't fail at properly identifying and selecting good prospects. We let way too many impact receivers slide right by us while we drafted players at positions that should have been a lower priority. Believe it or not, continuously allowing good WRs to slip past you means you can't seem to draft WRs.
I think the larger problem is that this team struggles to use receivers from the get-go. I can't think of any receiver that they've had or had that wouldn't be more successful elsewhere. Guys like Patton and Ellington are the types of receivers that the Packers and Steelers regularly draft, develop and then turn into starters 2 or 3 years down the road. Here they can't even get on the field.
I don't think there's any receiver that this team could draft and use them to their full ability at this juncture. So it becomes irrelevant who they did or did not draft, they wouldn't look anything like they look on other teams.
This might change with a new coaching staff but for a team that built its success on the WCO, seeing them have one of the consistently s**ttiest passing offenses in the NFL for over a decade now is quite disheartening. Seeing teams with less talent having more success is even more so.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Gordon was viewed as a perpetual problem by the Browns former regime, who tried repeatedly to trade him last season only to be vetoed by ownership, sources said. He struggled to integrate to the team despite the Browns spending considerable resources to try to guide him, he was habitually late to meetings and practices, and that behavior has continued in head coach Mike Pettine's rookie season at the helm, sources said.
Gordon "has to go," according to several members of the organization, with his drug suspensions and lax behavior a growing problem and something they are concerned could rub off on young players on the roster. Of course, it remains to be seen if Browns owner Jimmy Haslam will be willing to take reduced compensation for the diminishing asset, after being enthralled by Gordon's breakthrough 2012 campaign.
Gordon has superior athletic talent but is a failed drug test away from having his career back in jeopardy and with another long offseason looming, expect the Browns to try to reap whatever little compensation they can get for him and move on.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24919509/browns-ready-to-part-with-josh-gordon-frustrated-over-johnny-manziel
No matter how mad people might be at Jed York.............contemplate this. The Browns owner nixed a trade which would have sent Josh Gordon to the 49ers for a 2nd round pick and some unnamed players. Now they might be lucky to get a 5th rounder for the guy.
The Browns owner also overruled his GM and opted to draft Johnny 8-Ball on the opinion of a homeless guy.
Originally posted by Empire49:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Empire49:
You are asking the wrong question. The real question is how many good WRs did we pass on knowing that WR was a top need? Just because we didn't draft a bunch of failures at the position doesn't mean that we didn't fail at properly identifying and selecting good prospects. We let way too many impact receivers slide right by us while we drafted players at positions that should have been a lower priority. Believe it or not, continuously allowing good WRs to slip past you means you can't seem to draft WRs.
I think the larger problem is that this team struggles to use receivers from the get-go. I can't think of any receiver that they've had or had that wouldn't be more successful elsewhere. Guys like Patton and Ellington are the types of receivers that the Packers and Steelers regularly draft, develop and then turn into starters 2 or 3 years down the road. Here they can't even get on the field.
I don't think there's any receiver that this team could draft and use them to their full ability at this juncture. So it becomes irrelevant who they did or did not draft, they wouldn't look anything like they look on other teams.
This might change with a new coaching staff but for a team that built its success on the WCO, seeing them have one of the consistently s**ttiest passing offenses in the NFL for over a decade now is quite disheartening. Seeing teams with less talent having more success is even more so.
Fair enough.
However, I just don't see any of the guys that we've drafted being more than a limited contributor on any other team. Patton and Ellington look promising, but I can't imagine they'd even be among the top 3 receivers on any of the pass heavy teams in the league.
I think our problem actually lies in both the coaching and the ability to draft receivers.
After attending GM Ray Farmer's year-ending press conference Tuesday, ESPN Cleveland's Tony Grossi sensed a "definite feeling" that Josh Gordon won't be back with the Browns in 2015.
The Chronicle-Telegram's Scott Petrak gets the same feeling. Grossi went as far to say it may take "only five minutes" into staff meetings next week for the team to decide on Gordon. You'd have to think the Browns will try and trade Gordon before outright waiving him, but a split seems likelier by the day.
Originally posted by seatownlowdown:
http://www.49ers.com/video/videos/Jed-York-and-Trent-Baalke-on-49ers-Coaching-Change/b538d14f-d8f6-4023-a1b8-1d1c65a42ef1
theres 0 chance of gordon being a 49er. if u havent watched the above, then watch it. gordon is the antithesis of the"class" that york is clamoring about
and there is 0 chance my coach takes a chance on the guy after the percy harvin experiment
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Agree. Gordon is an enticing talent. Has the ability to put an offense over the top, especially on an already good team, but his red flags are just too much.
Niners have no business even entertaining the thought after the off-field issues they've had. Doubt Seattle will take the plunge either after getting burned by Harvin.
Originally posted by Empire49:
Originally posted by buck:
Trade Kaepernick, Stevie Johnson, and Patrick Willis to the Brown for Gordon and Manziel.
Trade our first, Bowman, Boone, Hyde and Staley to Tampa Bay for the #1 pick.
Use the number #1 pick to draft Dorial Green-Beckham.
The thought of trading Bowman away makes me sick. Come on, man.
Acquiring Manziel also makes me want to vomit.
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Browns WR Josh Gordon flunked another drug test and now will be subject to a one-year banishment, per league sources. More on ESPN @ 6 pm