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Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by mcbaes72:
I don't think JJ is going to beat out Tolzien. In a couple of years, I honestly thought Tolzien would be our #2 QB and CK as the starter once AS leaves. But if JH plays favorites, JJ will be our #3 and Tolzien will be on the PS (if that's possible) or released. Ugh, I hope that doesn't happen. I'm not impressed, if many Smith complainers (I may be one of them) aren't happy with his one year improvement, think how we'll feel about Johnson's terrible stats so far and how much more damage he'll do as a starter on our team.

What about Harbaugh gives you the impression he'll play favorites? To me, he's all about competition and just because he's familiar with Johnson, doesn't mean he'll elevate him above a spot he shouldn't be. This signing is all about improving the depth of our QB spot. Now that there's four guys for three spots, the level of competition will pick up. Survival of the fittest.

I don't think he will, but I threw it out there as a possibility because why sign JJ (who he has connections with years ago) instead of plans to draft a QB in the mid-late rounds to compete? Why Johnson when there's other FA QBs he could've signed for competition and depth? I'm should've been more specific and said "I hope" he doesn't play favorites.

In any case, I hope you're right...just like I hope Tolzien beats JJ out for the #3 spot.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
What about Harbaugh gives you the impression he'll play favorites? To me, he's all about competition and just because he's familiar with Johnson, doesn't mean he'll elevate him above a spot he shouldn't be. This signing is all about improving the depth of our QB spot. Now that there's four guys for three spots, the level of competition will pick up. Survival of the fittest.

I am in teh grade four.

I dont get this one either.
Originally posted by overthemiddle:
Okay JJ who is a backup QB at the Bucs, comes to the Niners to be third string. Somehow I dont think so. He is coming to back up AS this year and is going to give AS a run for his money next year. With that being said there is no way CK is going to accept a 3rd string role. He is not a 3rd stringer we all know that. I have a feeling CK is going to be traded before this draft for a better draft position. Going into training camp AS will be the starter, JJ will be his backup and ST will bring up the rear. CK is the only QB on the Niners that has trade value. This is just a thought that I think is going to happen.

Only if people and Kaep himself overrated his development time.
insurance policy with a QB that played in the NFL , if CK is not ready that's it , or Alex goes back to form ?
Originally posted by overthemiddle:
Okay JJ who is a backup QB at the Bucs, comes to the Niners to be third string. Somehow I dont think so. He is coming to back up AS this year and is going to give AS a run for his money next year. With that being said there is no way CK is going to accept a 3rd string role. He is not a 3rd stringer we all know that. I have a feeling CK is going to be traded before this draft for a better draft position. Going into training camp AS will be the starter, JJ will be his backup and ST will bring up the rear. CK is the only QB on the Niners that has trade value. This is just a thought that I think is going to happen.

I don't think so. It's going to be survival of the fittest throughout training camp and if CK can't beat JJ out for the #2 job than so be it.
Holy cow. I have to say this FO is really doing a great job. Think of all the players The fans wanted and they have gotten or addressed every area. I'm not saying the fans should any way dictate what a team does, but I am saying their ability to accomplish so much is impressive!

As to Johnson, I suspect the 49ers realized that if they lost Smith to injury last year they were screwed. This was primarily a move to give them some insurance for the full season coming up. I'd bet they are going to find themselves confronted with a really tough decision at training camp cut down. JJ has a live arm and experience, CK has alluring physical potential, and I'll bet Tolzein shows himself to be too good a decision maker to cut.

I think the competition will force Smith to be more aggressive. And if he can't be, then he is just holding the position for someone else.
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Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
What about Harbaugh gives you the impression he'll play favorites? To me, he's all about competition and just because he's familiar with Johnson, doesn't mean he'll elevate him above a spot he shouldn't be. This signing is all about improving the depth of our QB spot. Now that there's four guys for three spots, the level of competition will pick up. Survival of the fittest.

I am in teh grade four.

I dont get this one either.

He's "familiar" with "johnson", but that won't make him elevate it.

I am in teh fourth grade.

My humor is juvenile.

Also obtuse as f**k.

Sorry.
Losing Tolzein will come back to haunt us.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Well, nobody has said it ,but we won't carry 4 qBs, nor should we, and i think you KAP fans may very well be in for a surprise. Tolz is ready now, as he showed last PS. The JJ signing tells me KAP has all the tools, but is not what Coach H and baalke thot he was. Harbaugh has hx with JJ, but it is KAP who i think is on the block. I could be wrong and everyone else right, but this is a bizarre signing...unless, H& B don't like what they see NOT happening with KAP. I can't explain it otherwise. Of all the guys they could have signed, OL, DB, CB, RB, and WR...and we sign a backup QB?

Man, something is wrong here, and it has to be KAP's not making the grade. This looks like pure and simple insurance, with Tolz #2, and JJ #3....and KAP adios. If so, i hope we can get something for him, like a swap with someone else for first rd pick. Our #30 might just as well have been a high 2nd rounder. Kap could make the difference there, and if so, B& H already have someone in mind, who wanted KAP during draft,and now is willing to swap places with us in first rd. That could explain adding another insurance qB. Obviously, it also could be Tolz, but he is game ready, and i think that is the concern...that KAP isn't .

So thats why CK was the backup dressing on sundays and actually getting some real playing time... it all makes sense now! Preseason should determine everything regardless of the fact it was done against 3rd and 4th stringers now bagging my groceries at safeway. CK was given one legit drive this season and went 3-3 with excellent throws and led to a td, but that was when we were up on tampa and doesnt count since preseason is much more reflective of how good teams really are .

Whatever thought process is leading people to believe Tolz is somehow more ready than CK needs some work. There is zero evidence to support that conclusion.

Here is an analysis of another one of Tolz's preseason games... sure you're ready to proclaim him?
Scott Tolzien took over the San Diego offense after halftime in their game against the Seattle Seahawks. Tolzien's first three passes fell incomplete, and those stood as his only attempts in the 3rd quarter after Bryan Walters returned a Seattle kickoff 103 yards for a score. Tolzien recorded his first positive play early in the fourth quarter when he took off running for a 3 yard gain in the Chargers' first 4th quarter series, but he gave that ground right back when he was sacked on the next play. Tolzien completed his first pass on the Chargers' next possession, a four-yard dump-off to undrafted rookie FB Dean Rogers, but the offense was stuffed on third and short and forced to punt, the fourth consecutive three-and-out for Tolzien. Seattle drove the field for a game-tying touchdown on their next drive. With the score tied, Tolzien went down under pressure and coughed up the ball with just under four minutes remaining in the game. Seattle ran in the go-ahead score on their ensuing possession, and Tolzien faced a three-minute drive to tie it up. That's when Scott went to work.

Beginning at his own 30 yard line, Tolzien scrambled for five yards and threw incomplete on second down. Then, in a bold display of clutchiness, Tolzien completed four straight passes, earning three first-downs and driving the Chargers all the way to the Seahawk's 12 yard line. Crowded up in the red zone, however, Tolzien found the going tough. More than just a general "speed of the game", Tolzien appeared flummoxed by the speed of the defensive backfield, seeing his passes knocked away by defenders who quickly closed already small windows. With second and three to go at the Seattle 5 yard line, Tolzien missed on three consecutive passes, including an egregious overthrow through the endzone as he rolled out to the right. Seattle took over and downs and claimed the victory.



That was written by a badger homer, so it even has a biased positive spin to it and still doesnt sound good lulz.
[ Edited by 5280High on Mar 23, 2012 at 8:52 AM ]
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Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
We have been very poor at QB for a decade, no real NFL starters, no depth behind them. I was pleased last season with our QB stable, like a staving man given a couple of crackers, I thought we finally had some depth and talent. Harbuagh seems to be preparing a feast! He is not content, ever! I would have been fine going into this season with a serviceable Alex Smith, showing some upside, CK looking like the QB of the future, and Tolzien, waiting and learning...but not the new look Niner front office, I love this move, it shows we are serious about adding talent and competition at every position!
i know some want this to be about a qb controversy but it has been made clear alex is the man and I agree with you in your comments. I was always worried last year if alex would have gotten hurt. Ck was not ready last year and i think this signing is a signal that the team is saying that and that we need a better backup in case alex goes down. That is no knock to ck and I know some people yelled at me when I said ck is not ready. This signing confirms that in my opinion and I know others will differ. we are not going into another season"hoping alex stays healthy" I never wanted johnson in here to replace alex cuz i do not think he is up to it but this is a great role for him and for the team. as many have said, we may lose tolzien but thats the way it is and he will join the never ending list of fan favorites we got rid of and got along just fine,, nate d, codyp, korey s. you get the point,
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A Vet at QB is a smart idea IMHO. Last year it was Alex & 2 rookies at QB. We were damn lucky that Alex wasn't injured & force 1 of the 2 rookies to start with the chances niether Colin or Scott were ready. Harbaugh I gotta assume is gonna hold a QB competition in some form.
Hope Kap beats this guy out.
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Originally posted by Ajanke:
Hope Kap beats this guy out.
If he does that does not say much for josh johnson. I just think the niners know ck is not ready yet and they need a better plan in case alex gets hurt than what we had last year.
Ok let me just add my ¢ 2 cents to this by saying frick this dude. I see Scott Tolzien being better than this jabroni. I don't see why alot of ya like this bum so much. He was a back up for a reason and that reason is because he is not good. Whew ok now good day
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Originally posted by Nes49:
A Vet at QB is a smart idea IMHO. Last year it was Alex & 2 rookies at QB. We were damn lucky that Alex wasn't injured & force 1 of the 2 rookies to start with the chances niether Colin or Scott were ready. Harbaugh I gotta assume is gonna hold a QB competition in some form.

He already did! They played racquetball! I don't know who won, though.

I do know that Tolzien wasn't invited....
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